On forgiviness


god should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies. He should forgive his. Am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him. He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks to be. And I want no god to forgive me unless I do forgive others. All I ask, if that be TRUE, is that this god should live according to his own doctrine. If I am to forgive my enemies I ask him to forgive his. That is justice, that is right.

R. Ingersoll

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

14 thoughts on “On forgiviness

  1. Holy Crap! I like this thought. I’d not thought of that before.

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  2. Reblogged this on myatheistlife and commented:
    This might take a second or two to sink in. Read it twice if you need. This is as profound a things as I’ve heard in years.

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  3. Nice to read about someone who thinks like me. Belief in God I do, but are in constant conflict with him. exp why I do not feel forgiven? 🙂 Like our battles.

    Greating from Sweden Raoul Alexandersson

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    • makagutu says:

      Greetings from Nairobi.
      So Raoul you say you believe in god, why do you believe?

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      • Why I believe in God? Maybe the world is so fair and all are measured in the stomach, hm .. perhaps there is war injustice and kids get everything they need. No Class Differences everything is so good course I believe in God. 🙂

        We know that there are other powers I’m just a simple guy who has faith has no choice a hypocrite trying to stop believing because I am so angry at him, act God came again
        watch the kids in the whole world, so do you want us to believe?

        phu! yea i do because we all have a life story. Sometimes they do not dare to write, talk about because nobody would believe you / me, but where will God in and put me on the spot. In other words, I have no choice, he’s fine for me. Dura necessitas .

        R

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      • http://raoulbloggar.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/the-song-of-three-the-magic-number/

        Maby this can answer your question,The personal relationship with what you believe in is always hard to explain. But will someone and say hey man! on where the stone is my god, then I ask are you happy good, continue to believe in the stone then.

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        • makagutu says:

          Well Raoul, I was brought up catholic, in fact, I have been a catholic for so long I can’t remember but a time came when I couldn’t do it anymore. god did it couldn’t no longer sell, creation in six days couldn’t work and bible morality couldn’t pass muster, I decided to reconsider what I had been brought up to believe and I couldn’t anymore. It couldn’t stand when faced with reason and from then on, I have no regrets.
          When people talk of personal relationship or experience with god, I have been there and I can tell you without fear of contradiction that we lie to ourselves. The times when I had said god helped do this or that, when I look back, it was always me working my ass off.
          I can’t tell you not to believe but I will tell you to take credit when it is your work and spread the love around. If god is infinite and it exists, we can’t help it, but we can love our fellow man. Lets do that.
          Thanks for the follow and be well.

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          • Thats the only teori seems rigt love your fellow man never let him leay in the street do what u can but DO !

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          • Catholic ok, and now non believers? I’m not a judgmental person, so instead I want to say about it now so that you do not believe in god, oh! I can rather understand you.

            earth plate, yoke are sicker things they claim, you know and I know. But here in Sweden when the Free Church came with a single message of Satan will bring you hell awaits you during sjutiotalet filled mentasjukhusen in Sweden männkiskor who walk in Psychoses still. The condemnation was worse than Hitler idiologi.Och this phenomenon came from the U.S. then. Men somtog God filled the place of their stomachs drank his brandy preached fire brimstone. Not now Nazareen want.

            Honestly I have utmant God in ways you do not want to know, yes you are right alölt I have received at the hands of me is my brain behavior, maybe he had a hand in there :-)) ‘tell you sincerely challenge the clergy’s a game I like but now that they are stupid enough to choose a profession where everyone interprets differently, feeling sorry for them. I say to you, we do good themselves never go past someone lying in the street, then I’m a douche bag regardless of religon faith. Still do not know your orientation if you are an atheist electricity believing whatever you are my fellow human belief in a stone if you want to, respect to the stone that makes him happy man’s god who can dare to make fun of him? creep in that case. Males grow faster without priests force, whoever told you that they have power? But growing faster with the enlightenment of hycklarnaq, clergy, but do not put energy into them, but go forward without turning his face to the past, then turn them back to the future.
            If I believe in God? do you? 🙂 Man, I think grublat too much, do I write a short story about the gift woman, I’m sinning, I, sex is so ugly. Coming from one who is quite famous for various reasons, but when sata ¨ n visited my uncle said he
            You are forbidden port. 😉

            Also said my uncle hm … that Jesus he mows my lawn once a week, phu! Do not know what to think to say,about that hard old man , but you have them all, you can have but it did not fly into mouth without the hard job and racism in the back, we came from Rysland for 2hundred years ago. oh this was too long that i write sory.
            ¨
            Thanks for your time peek into the blog has stories soon if pastors sentenced to prison for really sick stuff.

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  4. Excuse me forgot to say great blog

    R

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  5. robin claire says:

    This is a sappy Christian talking.
    It is my job to forgive (ie – let them go) so to be able to turn the bad people over to Him to judge righteously. I can not be truly righteous when it comes to judging people. I am not privy to their heart’s beating like He is.

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    • makagutu says:

      Christians and their god have become better just as we have gained more knowledge. If they had the power as they did in 1200, I would not be saying what am saying now, I would be a heretic and would be tried for that.
      We can’t help gods and we can’t blame our brothers for being bad. It is a misfortune of birth and I’m sure they would wish to be different. All we must be do is to be kind to all regardless and hope that all aspire to grant to brother the same right he demands for himself

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