I just read The Case of Wagner/ Nietzsche contra Wagner and selected Aphorisms we get a glimpse of Nietzsche’s relationship with Wagner, his thoughts and criticisms of music and musicians of his time. It is a case of tough love and a sharp and concise criticism of christianity, which he says is a blemish on man, of Germans in general.
You got to love Nietzsche for his honesty and his wit. If you are a musician and you read his criticism of Wagner, his friend, then you’d know the judges on America got talent or Idols are way too polite.
I loved the book 🙂
Random thoughts 
I know your post is not addressed to me because I know you know I don’t read this kind of stuff. But I did the next best thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner
Does that count?
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This counts my friend, and it wasn’t addressed to you lol, you sing good and write beautiful poetry 🙂
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Aha Meme,
So here you are on Makagutu’s Masai Mara, instead of staying home and cooking or brewing some new post:-))
I’m glad at least you haven’t lured Ladysighs with you…:-)))
Just stopped to say Hi, guys!
As for the discussion following the post, unfortunately I know from experience that most Christians DO NOT read much of the original books they are talking about, relying instead on books written by their “experts” about different subjects….
Because if they would, they would end up like me, after I thought it to be honest reading Descartes myself, instead of baptised commentaries about him. This is how I realised that Christians, who ignorantly hate Descartes for his cogito… have no idea how convinced he was about divine revelation and the virgin birth. When I presented that at a seminar, they nearly left the room… for stones:-))
Cheers,
Rom
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I made a reply………but put it in the wrong place instead or the reply place. 😦 Oh well.
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I agree with you totally. There are books one reads and it is no longer business as usual. They change you or you change them, I don’t know which is correct here and at that particular moment, you are inspired to a degree never before thought possible. One finds oneself on a higher plane 🙂
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I was arguing (fruitlessly) yesterday with a blogger going by the name Nietzschesdownfall. I couldn’t help but think of you with every terse word i wrote.
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I would really like to see this blogger and what he says about Nietzsche and please tell me he/she is not religious
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Afraid to say he is indeed religious… and annoying.
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Although he does read a lot, which isn’t such a bad thing
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In fact that is the source of the problem. I think most theists who read a lot manage to wrestle words to fit into their ridiculous beliefs. It’s like what they read and what they say are completely different!
They are masters of word games and if that was an Olympic sport, they would win it hands down.
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I encountered him here in this roller coaster
http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/atheism-insufficent-evidence-for-belief-in-god/
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I will look at it later. Thanks brother
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Makagutu gives me little pats on the head when I enter here. He does follow my blog 🙂 although I see it is at the very bottom of his following list. 😦
I notice ladysighs is near the top of the list. lol
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This was a reply to Liberty of Thinking. Sorry in wrong place. 😦
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I must talk to Makagutu! This ain’t fair!
I am extreeeeeeemly disappointed…
I swear to NEVER come back to Makagutu’s site for the next five minutes, beginning from now…
Rom
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Ooops, more than five minutes, I didn’t know I was that angry:-))
Have a nice, day, evening, night everyone!
Rom
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Rom brother, don’t be angry, Meme is a nice friend of ours. Without her music and poetry we would be bored dead 🙂
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HaHaHaHa, My sweet friend, I can NEVER be angry on Meme, I was just joking, she knows that well!
I can’t be angry on the one (well, her other one actually) who was my first Like, my first Follow, my first Reply when I started my blog! She has a great personality and multiple talents, even if she doesn’t seem to agree with my opinion:-))
Thank you anyway for your touching care for your friends!
Take care
Rom
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You people are all wonderful and make the blogging world go round. A man can’t ask for more 🙂
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Oh, but Yes!
For more people like You!
😃👍
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Very interesting indeed … although I would most likely disagree on number of points if I am inclined to mount an argument on the subject … but I always welcome liberty of thought!
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Oh Daniela my friend, how much I would like to know where you disagree. It would be food for thought you know 🙂
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Wasn’t Nietzsche friends with Wagner, but then later in life they had a falling-out? Never read this, but perhaps it was the source of their separation???
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Yes in the beginning Nietzsche saw Wagner as the embodiment of the free spirit, but with Wagner’s conversion to christianity they fall off and he[Nietzsche] became a fierce critic of Wagner. It is worthy of note that Nietzsche says in his youth he had Wagner’s music for company and this only changed after the conversion. It is said of Nietzsche he could have become a great musician if he had chosen that career path.
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Interesting. I’ve heard something similar for other great minds. For instance, Einstein was a musician and probably could have been great if he had not focused on physics. In fact, there is a portion of the mind that is physically different in musicians. This particular area is also connected with intuition; a faculty Einstein attributed most of his discoveries to.
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Here is where I say nature is not kind to all of us, imagine half the population having such capabilities, religion would be no more many many years ago 🙂
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Ahhh yes, but what if the reason behind his genius was simply determined by his early practices (i.e. playing music)? What if his genius had more to do with an insatiable drive and the physical changes spurred on from music?
I don’t doubt that there are varying degrees of intelligence – relatively – but I have seen things that suggest nurture plays as much, if not more of role in the intellectual maturation of an individual, than does nature.
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There are many factors, some are in-born but nurture plays a role too.
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