Equal rights for all

This is a response to Caroline’s post , equal rights for adulterers, where one would think she is arguing against adultery but it is her attempt attacking those arguing for the equal rights of LGBTs to marry.

Before we get to Caroline, let us define our terms, shall we?

(1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same-sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage b: the mutual relation of married persons ;
c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially: the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
: an intimate or close union
Having defined our terms, please allow me to define traditional marriage then we will look at Caroline’s problem with the LGBTs in this light.

Let us hear what Caroline is telling her audience

The argument for same-sex marriage says that denying that right to gays is discriminatory and unfair. No…it’s not. No more than denying the right to have multiple spouses, have sex with a ten-year old, or marry your mother. Equal worth does not mandate equal opportunities.

How she sees that this isn’t discriminatory I don’t get. She is referring to a slippery slope that doesn’t even exist. I have got news for Caroline, one no one in their right mind is going to marry their mothers, no body wants to have sex with 10 year olds and you really must be naive to think that to grant a gay couple the right to marry will lead to any of the things you mention. With the rate of divorce across the board, many people marry several spouses in one lifetime that at the end it really makes no much difference.

No one is trying to stop gays from setting up house together. But redefining marriage should absolutely be off the table.

Did you look at the definitions I gave [they were from MW dictionary] so who is trying to redefine marriage? I bet it is Caroline who want marriage to be defined in Christian terms as if marriage is only a christian affair!

I believe the primary reason is that only then will they feel that their lifestyle has legitimacy and acceptance.

You got it all wrong. This is a bigoted stand and you know it. How is their marriage going to affect yours?

But legitimizing homosexuality by redefining marriage will inevitably result in my right to religious freedom being infringed on, as I will be forced to condone (or at least not oppose) and help support a lifestyle that I believe is a sin. Just as normalizing and destigmatizing polygamy would. I am NOT saying I’m less of a sinner than your average, law-abiding homosexual. I AM saying that redefining marriage and sin is like introducing an indestructible killer virus into society.

Now this got to me seriously! Her religious freedom my foot! Is she being asked to be gay? Well Caroline you will have to show us that your god exists and that your religious claims have a truth value before you can tell us of your religious freedom. A sin is an offense against god and it is this god Caroline and her ilk her failed to define to existence. How can she then claim this god will be offended? Caroline and your ilk, first ensure there are no divorces in your traditional marriage then and only then can you start talking about other people’s lives. And while you are at it, please tell me when you chose to be heterosexual, this information will help many generations in the future.

Am guessing Caroline is a citizen of the US of A and this is what the constitution says about religion

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I will say here that am not versed in law, but please tell me where in the above it says gays shall not be allowed to get married because it is this clause that deals with religious freedom? I am aware there is a petition before the SCOTUS on marriage. Here, here and here are some articles on what has been going on in the court and for a person like Caroline to argue as she does is to pretend ignorance of the facts.

Are you ready for same-sex marriage to be forced on you? Are you okay with sharing your spouse?

How many people have been forced to drink alcohol since it was made legal? How many people are forced to smoke because smoking is legal? Last time I checked no one was forcing anything on anyone and unless Caroline can support this claim it would be fair to consider her a bigot.

Polygamy is almost certainly next in line to be demanded as a human right. What defense would we have for prohibiting it once the traditional family unit is debased?

Don’t worry, just ask your husband not to love another woman and if he does, divorce him.

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

16 thoughts on “Equal rights for all

  1. I find it odd that anyone thinks gay marriage will hurt their religious freedom, quite odd. If that were true, the statistics of marriage in the US, resulting in divorce (somewhere around 50%), would be a serious issue to religious freedom. These people need to stop hiding behind religion and just say “I don’t like it” – it’s okay to have a differing opinion, just as it’s okay for me to say “go for it – marriage for all”. It’s unfortunate that we have made this such an issue that we are allowing high courts to make the decision, rather than just minding our own business.


    • makagutu says:

      It is indeed fortunate that we have to legislate on such matters. It saddens me farther when someone claims that LGBTs would threaten her freedom of religion!


      • Mordanicus says:

        This people mean with freedom of religion, actually their freedom to impose their religion on others.


        • makagutu says:

          Then they should just be honest and say this is what they want and all we can do is ask them to support it and also to tell us how they would feel if Hindoos and VooDoo worshipers asked for the same things


  2. The concluding line is brilliant!


  3. I’m sorry for using this language (I really don’t like to), but fuck her. I can’t stand people like that. She cares only for herself, as exemplified by this:

    “But legitimizing homosexuality by redefining marriage will inevitably result in my right to religious freedom being infringed on, as I will be forced to condone (or at least not oppose) and help support a lifestyle that I believe is a sin.”

    Well we wouldn’t want your values to be threatened, would we!? So long as everything you believe in remains in place, everyone else can go fuck themselves. How very Christian of you (literally).


  4. Mordanicus says:

    Caroline is guilty of using false analogies. The reason of not allowing to marry ten-year olds is due the fact that ten-year-olds are not capable of making informed decisions and are vulnerable to manipulations by older people. There is no reason to prohibit marriage between two women or two men, if those involved are fully mature adults capable of making informed decisions.

    The band on marrying your mother is based on the increased risk of genetic offspring as result of increased inbreeding, no parallel whatsoever with to (unrelated) gay persons. And polygamy is allowed in many cultures/countries, and one might ask why we should ban this as long as no one is forced to marry or no one is harmed in some way.

    Conclusion: these fallacious analogies are the typical ones of a bigoted person, incapable of distinguish between different cases.


    • makagutu says:

      A very appropriate analysis.
      I don’t think Caroline knows that polygamy is allowed in so many different cultures around the world and am not sure if she sees that she commits fallacy of false analogy.


  5. john zande says:

    I wonder if Caroline eats shrimp?


  6. themodernidiot says:

    haha she’s an idiot and probably in a crappy marriage. ignore her.

    however, thank you for your post. it is very positive, and we appreciate the support.


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