Religion not necessary for human life


My good friend emmylgant, a dreamer per excellence referred me to a book, the Muqaddimah, written sometime in the 14th century by a Muslim scholar of high repute in his time. A book which I must say is a real gem on civilization, the place of man in society and why we are political animals. I haven’t read much of the book, but so far I must say I like the thinking behind the book. The author, Ibn Khaldun, seems to have been well versed with the subject he chose to write on, that is so far as I can tell.

I like the passage below especially more because, he was religious, Muslim to be specific, but believed the supernatural only interfered with human affairs in very special circumstances and not on a daily basis.

Existence and human life can materialize without (the existence of prophecy) through injunctions a person in authority may devise on his own or with the help of a group feeling that enables him to force the others to follow him wherever he wants to go. People who have a (divinely revealed) book and who follow the prophets are few in number in comparison with (all) the Magians who have no (divinely revealed) book. The latter constitute the majority of the world’s inhabitants. Still, they (too) have possessed dynasties and monuments,not to mention life itself. They still possess these things at this time in the intemperate zones to the north and the south. This is in contrast with human life in the state of anarchy, with no one to exercise a restraining influence. That would be impossible.
This shows that (the philosophers) are wrong when they assume that prophecy exists by necessity. The existence of prophecy is not required by logic. Its (necessary character) is indicated by the religious law, as was the belief of the early Muslims.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

18 thoughts on “Religion not necessary for human life

  1. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Religion is a very manipulative tool, contrived by the powerful to control those lacking power. Good excerpt, my buddy! 🙂

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  2. emmylgant says:

    Thank you for the mention Noel.:-) It was very thoughtful of you.
    I knew you would like Ibn Kaldhun; he surprised and made me think about the theory of history when I read his book.

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    • makagutu says:

      You are welcome and thank you for the reference. In reading the book, their geography wasn’t so much off. I mean they already knew that when the sun is at the extremes, it is at an angle of 24 degrees, all this has changed to is 231/3 degrees.
      River Nile is still the longest river, the poles are still very cold and least habitable. I like the book and I like the author more!

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  3. nannus says:

    Ibn Kaldhun is considered one of the founding fathers of history as an academic discipline. An interesting author indeed.

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  4. paarsurrey says:

    Ibn Khaldun was a renowned Muslim social scholar; but in religion we follow Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
    We don’t have to follow him.

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    • makagutu says:

      Did I ask you to follow Khaldun? I don’t think so. You follow what you must, especially since it appears to me, your reason is not sufficient to you as a guide

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      • paarsurrey says:

        Reason of itself is blind;it always needs a guide. Without history or archaeology etc can reason lead one in the past. I don’t think so.

        Similarly in ethical, moral, and spiritual domains; reason needs Word of Revelation to guide further.

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        • makagutu says:

          I agree reason needs a guide, that guide, however, is not superstition but experience.
          If your morale depend on ghosts and ramblings of charlatans, then you are a danger to yourself and the society where you live unless all of you are believers in ghosts.

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          • paarsurrey says:

            I agree with you; but I think to live in doubt and prefer it on certainty is also superstition and not based on any scientific experiments.
            Don’t the Atheists live in doubt?

            I don’t believe in any charlatans and ghosts; Quran fixes one on reason; and does not favor any superstitions, ghosts and charlatans; rather Quran exposes them.

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          • makagutu says:

            What doubt are you referring to and how would doubt be superstition?

            Paarsurrey, you can, for all I care, tell yourself that the Koran tells you the truth about a god, but the truth is, you have been lied to and as long as you continue to believe it, you continue to believe in a lie. You are what they call delusional and I don’t mean any insults. So get out of that bubble and start living in the real world, guided by experience and reason.

            The Koran are ramblings of mad men, who understood little about human nature but tell you they know about ghosts, angels and gods, you really must be blind to believe all this, but don’t worry, I was for a long time a believer.There is hope for you, I think if you keep visiting atheist blogs as you seem to be doing, you may one day welcome reason.

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          • emmylgant says:

            To prove the inexistence of something is an impossible task. I have to admire your perseverance. I just throw my hands up and say “Whatever!” 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            Some people are impossible to talk to my dear friend. One only hopes that someday they will learn something

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          • paarsurrey says:

            But I don’t see any reason with the Atheists; instead I get from them “fool”, “bullshit”, “delusion” etc; I have started collecting words that they use for the word “reason”.

            Either reason has left the Atheists or they have left the reason; a person with reason would never succumb to such words.

            Did Socrates,Buddha or Bertrand Russel use such words?

            I don’t think so

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          • makagutu says:

            Paarsurrey, unless you don’t have a dictionary and want me to elucidate the meanings of the above words, I don’t get your complaint.

            Mark Twain called someone an idiot of the first degree. And I told you, you cannot determine what words people are going to use. If you don’t want such epithets to be used against you, the only way is you stop spreading bullshit!

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