Friends, grab some pop corns before you get to reading this post, it is going to be long!
As I was lurking in the internet I came across a few posts that stirred my interest and instead of doing several posts, as a response to each of them, I will do one post and hope that I do justice to all of them. That being the case, I hope you are well settled in your reading corner with enough pop corns and coffee or whatever it is you like snacking on :-D.
The first poster asks if we have surrendered everything? I don’t know about you, my friends, but I find this
When we surrender our lives to God and decide to follow Jesus we give up our rights to live our lives the way we want to. We give up the right to be in control. For most the idea of giving up control of your life is a real sticking point. But think about it for a minute. If God has made everything, then he owns everything and all that we have is because of his providence in our lives. Oh, sure we’d like to think that what we have is based on our efforts but when you boil it down to its essence, you have what you have because God has given it to you.
to be not different from the life of the slave. The slave surrenders his/her life to his master, and lives their lives thinking they owe the master their right to life. It is interesting what type of being theists make their god to be. They make their god an all-controlling freak, a position one of my friends disagrees with completely! The last statement is wrong in all ways, it is wrong
[….] in the sense that belief in God expresses a rejection, or denial, or perhaps subjugation of one’s humanity. It involves turning one’s back on the human will to overcome challenges, to create, and instead makes servility to authority the ultimate aim of human life. It projects onto an unapproachable and incomprehensible Other all that is good and magnificent in human experience and achievement. Why is it wrong? It’s a sin against ourselves, that’s why. [ Daniel Garber, Philosophers without gods, Antony Louis M, pg 29]
It appears to me that god, especially the god of the Abrahamic religions, need us to achieve his ends or why would this fellow write something like
If you believe you have to be in control instead of God then you will definitely miss out on all the blessings God has for you. In order to have a full, happy and blessed life it is imperative you surrender your life to God.
For the life of me, why has a god who can make everything care about what I believe in, especially in distributing divine goodies. This fellow has to convince me that his conception of god is a god who is like us except with a bigger ass!
Moving to a promise that what god did for me he can do for you! The author starts by telling us
I grew up atheist.
Now, don’t get me wrong, atheists, Buddhists, voodoists or whatever superstition one believes in can convert to Christianity or to any other religion one pleases, but please unless it is a marketing ploy, it is not necessary, especially if there is nothing in the rest of the post that supports such a claim, to tell us I used to believe in voodoo! It adds no more value to your claim.
Reason holds, that if God IS, we should live according to God’s way, else He is not God. If God is not God, than we are our own god or make up a religious god, who also is not God.
Maybe some of you can make sense of this statement, I simply can’t!
The awesome thing about God: He is not religious and gives us CHOICE in all things, He leads us into all truth, if we let Him, but He would NEVER overrule our choices.
Since God is not going to change, we will have to, so we can experience life according to our creator’s design. Makes sense, right: Any creator knows about his creation in detail: how it is made, what it is designed to do, how it functions best, what it takes to keep it in tact, the materials it is made of,……………
In the first instance, she tells us if we allow god to lead us to truth, he will and in the next she says god knows everything about its creations and how they will act. Is it then that god, who already knows the outcome, is testing minions and to what end? Unless I get it all wrong, themodernidiot should help me here!
For a person who sees life on earth as
My life was never the same since: truthfully I didn’t lose anything good at all from my earthly old life, since it was empty, meaningless and miserable enough to gladly give it up.
It is great to walk in the presence of God, going with Him through life. No religion in the world can do this for you, but Jesus has done it all, not because He had to, but because He loves YOU!
you wonder why they haven’t left for heaven yet! If one wants to think it is the god belief that led them to improve their lives, then so be it, but as I said above, it is irresponsible and wrong!
Next we have a person making the promise of what we will get when superstition rules supreme. This is what we are told
But once you do surrender, you will no longer think about what God is going to do. Abandonment means to refuse yourself the luxury of asking any questions. If you totally abandon yourself to God, He immediately says to you, “I will give your life to you as a prize . . . .”
I think most Christians don’t read their bibles or they choose what parts to assimilate. Abe, who we are told is the father of faith, did not rely on god to provide the descendants he [god] had promised and for good measure made Hagar pregnant just in case god didn’t come through! I also hope that a person who gives the following advice, doesn’t worry about bills because god will settle the rent account or does this abandonment just deal with the hereafter? Someone help!
This post on war & peace and the problem of pain is one that exemplifies the extent the religious apologist is willing to go to grant his god a free pass from responsibility. The author deals with the problem of evil and tells us with a straight face that C.S Lewis has answered the problem and advises those of us not so convinced to read him [Lewis]. Yours truly has not read Lewis and he is not even on the waiting list, but here is a post I wrote on the same question that you may all want to look at.
Our friend tells us this about his god
It may sound irreverent, if not blasphemous and paradoxical, to say that the omnipotent God has limits. But when we say omnipotent, we are saying God is all powerful, not everlastingly powerful. That is, God is as powerful as he or anything in this universe can possibly be. He has a “ceiling” in a sense. Of course, to our perspective, this appears to be an unlimited amount of power, but it is not.
For any theist who sees reducing the powers of god as necessary for explaining away evil, by all means go ahead. I am just interested in knowing what other powers you take away from your god and then I will ask why do you still worship him? He continues to tell us that if god is bound within his character
he cannot sin
a statement that I have no objection to except to add that this being the case, god can’t be said to be moral or immoral.
and such questions as to whether he can create a ball too heavy for him to lift are discovered to be a nonsensical question.
How this question is related to the statement god not sinning I don’t know and two this question is not nonsensical. Dismissing the dilemma as nonsensical only goes to show you don’t understand it!
And if this is the case that god is
is the ceiling of the universe, and thus that power does have a type of limit; nothing can exceed it.
am hard pressed to see where there is a difference between this and nature!
I may be missing something, friends, but I think you need to show me how this statement justifies suffering
this is not love. In any relationship we’ve ever had, we love the beloved not in some disinterested way that only wants their happiness, but we long for their holiness if we truly love them. Thus, good parents find it necessary to discipline and lovers create boundaries for each other.
Does the person writing this understand the problem of evil and human suffering? By a show of hands, please, and John can you count them, how many of you would allow suffering and pain that was in your power to prevent to show that you love your spouse, boyfriend, partner or child?
One of the posts linked here tells us god creates everything and knows all, and this fellow here tells us man is responsible for the mess we find ourselves faced with daily. He goes on to limit the possibilities of the worlds his god could create wanting us to believe as is commonly said with the apologists that we live in the best possible world.
But why then do we have sin in the first place? Why did he not just create man upright, so we could all be perfect from the start? In short, he did. But we must not forget a couple of things. First, God can’t do what God can’t do. He cannot create a world that displays his love, mercy, and grace all the while redefining love, mercy, and grace. And secondly, in order for this to work, he had to give us a sort of free will to rebel against him.
We are told here, with a straight face, that god gave us free will so we can rebel against him! Who says such things?
At what time did god create hell? If he created hell before he created Adam & Eve, then he is a fiend. He had intentions to punish a significant percentage of his creation even before he created them. If he created it some time in between, the question is what was his end? Is it to deter or to rehabilitate? Since we are told hell is a place of eternal damnation, the question of rehabilitation is out and I don’t know if it works as a deterrent. All I can think of is that a god who makes a place of damnation as he creates is malicious and deserves no worship and if anything, this god demands to be feared I dare say, deserves to be killed!
For Lewis to tell us this about god and his plan for hell
every person who initially chose to rebel during their time on earth would have continued to do so had they been given an eternal number of chances to recant. In the end, they choose hell over God
is simply beyond me!
I find it very annoying when people write such statements
The cry was as painful and split the sides of the earth as his final realization that his Father had for a time rejected him. God rejected God for no reason but that every painful act of man could be heaped on One Man’s shoulders. Every death, all loneliness, anxieties, slavery, shame, abandonment, rejection and fear were given to an innocent man.
Who cares about a suffering god? How is such a god helpful to us? And can this person claim with a straight face that the few minutes Jesus[if he lived] spent on the cross can match the pain and suffering that is our lot? That the suffering he chose for himself can match that which man goes through in their existence on this godless universe? And to tell me that one man died for the sins of another is plain ridiculous! Besides if these things listed were hanged on the cross, please tell why anxiety, rejection among others accompanies or lot?
And lastly a post that I already responded to, in which the author tells us life is only meaningful in a godly world. To him, I call this bollocks and again quote Daniel Garber I mentioned earlier who talks about what he felt when he lost god.
[……] I do think one loses something significant when one loses belief in God. I admit that the idea that my life was somehow a matter of concern to the ultimate power of the universe provided me with a sense of my own significance that I lost when I lost that belief. I also miss the comforting thought that however dark the world seems, the bright light of redemption may be just around the corner. (Of course, we may have to do our share to attain it, but the point is we have a powerful ally on our side.) Finally, with God gone, so is eternal life. I’ve had to confront the reality of death in a new way.
To that sense of loss just described I have two responses. First, I say, ‘‘Welcome to life as it is rather than how it only seemed to be in your fantasy.’’ For human beings, growing up is often a matter of facing painful truths, and the loss of this sort of transcendence and moral guarantee must be swallowed and dealt with along with many other aspects of reality; in particular, as mentioned, the ultimate nature of death. This is one way to read the story of Adam and Eve, of course. Human innocence can no longer be sustained, now that we’ve eaten from the ‘‘tree of knowledge.’’ So be it. The Nietzschean in me says, ‘‘Deal with it.’’
My apologies for the length of the post!