You gotta give it to the god believers

In a post addressed to atheists, agnostics and other non-believers, one of the god believers wrote the comment below, which in my view, really shows they don’t understand the real issue really.  One, how does this person know that god has chosen not to do these things, what god are they speaking about? And no, we don’t blame god, neither do we hate god, all we do is lack a belief in the existence of any and only point out to the believers that their understanding of reality is quite skewed if on the one hand they hold their god is a loving and all-powerful god but still allows misfortune to visit them. That there is a contradiction in their belief system that they need to address without getting into any rationalizations. It is in fact arrogant to claim that god, any god, can’t be questioned. So this person thinks that the story he/she reads in the bible about god committing suicide to save us from himself is such a good story? No, far from it. How could a person, even if he lived and died several thousand years ago, have died for sins, whatever they are, that I am yet to commit? Why, if he already died do we still have to believe as a condition? How powerless is this god they worship?

Any god believers reading this, if your god exists, I don’t think it would be arrogant to question s/h/it decisions unless you imply that s/h/it is a malicious, capricious and vicious dictator whose writ is law and is beyond question. The next question would be does such a being deserve worship or fear and condemnation and if possible to be removed from position of authority?

It is arrogant to expect that God has to prove anything to anyone! He could do a lot of things, but He chooses not do them for a variety of reasons! People blame a God they either ignore or hate most of the time and then when something bad happens they expect He is going to save them from the crisis or disaster! God did more than enough for mankind when He allowed His only Son to die for our sin! We are not guaranteed a miracle or His intervention: that is not the basis for believing God!

Friends of Jesus, where are they when you need them?

I am not sure if this should be classified under entertainment. Here, is a man, who has gone to the Hague based court of Justice to have the court overturn the supposed ruling by one Pontius Pilate against one Jeebus, a man whose existence is a question of debate in the intellectual circles.

This person, really qualifies to be called silly person!

The intellectual poverty of modern atheism? Really?

First of all, yours truly wishes to apologise to friends and followers for the lack of posts during the week, I have been quite busy with building the nation, though I did manage to visit most of your blogs.

I need not introduce our resident apologist, Debilis, though he hardly honours us with a visit who has made it his blogging profession to erect strawmen of atheists and New Atheist, whoever they are, whom he then manages to convince his followers that he has made a sound against the claims of atheism. In this post, where, they have a long discussion with our friend the Ark, he sets out to tell his readers that atheists are intellectually poor.

He starts by telling us

Every reason I’ve ever been given to reject the arguments for theism rests on one of two demonstrably false assumptions:

1. That nothing exists other than the physical, or

2. That there is no way of knowing anything except via the senses (including science, of course).

Let us ignore, who has told him this and look at his claims. I would like him to prove the existence of anything else, other than those things, which are evidently the creation of our imagination or are the result of our interactions with one another then we will have a conversation. I would want him to show me and you, dear reader, any way of knowing, whatever he means by that, that excludes the senses. What are these things he knows without experiencing, excepting concepts which are creations of our imagination and history which we read?

Our apologists continues in the same vain to tell us

Those who demand evidence for theism are, so far as I’ve experienced, never open to non-sensory evidence. And those who attack the Bible as being bad science generally aren’t willing to acknowledge that it wasn’t written as science in the first place.

Let us say we are open to non-sensory evidence, which are these and would you be kind to enumerate just a few. And no, this is a strawman, we don’t claim the bible is a science writ. All we have said it was written by ignorant goat herders over a long period of time. It makes claims about the cosmos that aren’t true such as we are told in Joshua 10

“Sun, stand still at Gibeon,
and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.

Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.

unless of course our apologists wants to pretend that this is not a claim about cosmology which is a science or Balaam’s talking donkey or making wine from water.  So we grant him the bible is not a science book, neither is it a revealed word of deity, simply because such don’t exist, especially so the one claimed in the bible.

In defending his absurd position, our apologists writes

The first view is properly called “metaphysical naturalism”, “physicalism”, or (more casually) “materialism”. To believe this, one has to believe that nihilism is true, that thoughts are never about anything, that there is no reason at all why science works, that you can’t trust your own logic, and that you (in terms of your own inner life and personality) don’t actually exist.

Sad as it maybe for our apologist, life is its own meaning. To expect that there is more to it, some cosmic meaning is a fools dream. If you find nihilism too much to swallow, you are in the right profession, that of supporting superstition for fact. Here, I agree with Camus, who asks the million dollar question, what does one do after finding out that life is absurd? Does he commit suicide? He says no, rather he lives by rebelling against the absurd. He creates meaning in his life. The second claim about thoughts doesn’t make sense. I have read the post which is linked in the OP and, yours truly, was not able to make sense of it. He makes claims about free will which are absurd and nonsensical, the rest of his arguments are of like manner.

He then continues to say

This is the view that, while there might be more than the physical, we should only believe what we can test for scientifically.

which I don’t think is true. The requirement is as Hume said, not to believe anything for which we don’t have sufficient evidence and as Carl Sagan later said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So offer this evidence and we are good to go.

The first thing we should note here is that many of the same problems arise. This idea would force us to reject the idea that we have minds, that our morals are rational, and that our thoughts are either about anything or base their choices in logic. It is also deeply problematic that the basis of science itself is rejected by this view. “Science alone”, if one follows the logic, means “not even science”.

Minds are brain states. Unless of course the apologist thinks the mind is separate from the brain, our morals are rational because we are rational beings though this isn’t the case for a great majority of the human species and our thoughts are given by experience though we are also capable of abstract thought. And lastly am never sure what he means when he writes science. He leaves his claims so open such that it is impossible to identify what one is arguing against.

There is nothing to say about a claim such as this.

The second thing is that this view also contradicts itself. After all, there is no sensory evidence for it. So, by its own standard, it should be rejected.

Having created strawmen, he finishes by writing

The only way that modern atheism can hope to escape the absurd conclusions mentioned here is if it could offer an attack on the arguments for theism that doesn’t rest on one of those two assumptions.

which is another strawman, simply because atheism is only a claim about the existence of gods. The rest are philosophical positions which merit a different discussion each on its own to prove their falsity or truth value. The atheist says he has seen no evidence for the existence of gods, and that the theist has not proved his case sufficiently. He has no reason to provide any argument beyond that.

Some one please tell me am dreaming or I am reading what our christian want us to believe.

After years of encounters, I’ve come across no such thing. This leaves the arguments for theism on the table, with the attempted refutations having been shown to be circular reasoning.

Why are there still atheists? All you of you atheists should pack up your bags and identify a church to join, you are all wrong, the apologists have carried the day!

The only prayer you should be saying, if you must

I here below, teach you how to pray, if you must pray

O Nature: sovereign of all beings! and ye her adorable daughters, VIRTUE, REASON and TRUTH remain for ever our revered protectors: it is to you that belong the praises of the human race, to you appertains the homage of the earth. Shew, us, then, O Nature, that which man ought to do, in order to obtain the happiness which thou makest him desire. Virtue, animate him with they beneficent fire. Reason, conduct his uncertain steps through the paths of life. Truth, let they torch illumine his intellect, dissipate the darkness of his road. Unite, O assisting deities! your powers, in order to submit the hearts of mankind to your dominion. Banish error from our mind, wickedness from our hearts, confusion from our footsteps; cause knowledge to extend its salubrious reign, goodness to occupy our souls, serenity to dwell in our bosoms. Let imposture, confounded, never again dare to shew its head. Let our eyes, so long, either dazzled or blindfolded, be at length fixed upon those objects we ought to seek. Dispel for ever those mists of ignorance, those hideous phantoms, together with those seducing chimeras, which only serve to lead us astray, Extricate us from that dark abyss into which we are plunged by superstition, overthrow the fatal empire of delusion, crumble the throne of falsehood, wrest from their polluted hands the power they have usurped.

Command men, without sharing your authority with mortals, break the chains that bind them down in slavery, tear away the bandeau by which they are hoodwinked, allay the fury that intoxicates them, break in the hands of sanguinary, lawless tyrants, that iron sceptre with which they are crushed to exile, the imaginary regions, from whence fear has imported them, those theories by which they are afflicted.

Inspire the intelligent being with courage, infuse energy into his system, that, at length he may feel his own dignity, that he may dare to love himself, to esteem his own actions when they are worthy, that a slave only to your eternal laws, he may no longer fear to enfranchise himself from all other trammels, that blest with freedom, he may have the wisdom to cherish his fellow creature, and become happy by learning to perfection his own condition, instruct him in the great lesson, that the high road to felicity, is to prudently partake himself, and also cause others to enjoy, the rich banquet which thou, O Nature, has so bountifully set before him.

Console thy children from those sorrows to which their destiny submits them, by those pleasures which wisdom allows them to partake, teach them to be contended with their condition, to banish envy from their mind, to yield silently to necessity. Conduct them without alarm to that period which all beings must find, let them learn that time changes all things, that consequently, they are made neither to avoid it’s scythe nor to fear its arrival.

D’Holdbach in the System of Nature

The year that was

Friends, followers and all those who have been part of this blog, thank you very much and I hope we will continue to fly together. Yesterday we received a notification from WordPress that we have been flying for a year now. So we thank the good guys at WP

Thanks for flying with us. Keep up the good blogging!

and we will keep it here. We, thanks to you have had over 20K visits, 5K comments, 500+ posts and still counting and we hope you will continue to honour us with your visits.

As a round-up, I will list some of the posts that yours truly liked.

Confessions which is a short narrative of where I have been

What happens after the death of god which was a reflection of what I have come to learn in the time I have been without gods

On morality which is a work in progress

Is the universe proof of god which was a rebuttal of an a formulation of the cosmological argument

Is science and religion compatible where my answer is a definite no

The things I believe is a work in progress

What’s in a name

I have also done a few book reviews, basically telling you what I liked about the books.

On the future of our educational institutions is not a review per se, but a link to the lectures by Nietzsche. This is for my friend

The god beyond belief which is a book on the problem of evil

What happened to the US of A is a review based on some speeches of Col Robert G. Ingersoll

and since it isn’t my intention to bore you, below are movies or music videos you may enjoy listening to

The lord of the rings complete symphony

Albert Einstein: How I see the world

and lastly the phantom of the opera.

Thank you very much friends, you have been great company!

The week that shook Kenya! What week, where was I?

Today, yours truly, has been doing what Violet calls lurking reading fresh posts on wordpress about god and religion . I have read many from some not so interesting like this pastor to admonitions to be slaves of ghosts. I don’t want to write about them. Am interested in this where I commented thus

I want to be a part of history not by praying for this kids or anyone about to pass on, but by freeing them from fear of a life in the beyond. It is better to prepare them for the inevitability of death without adding the fear of a life beyond.
And if any of the sick got remission, thank the doctors not phantoms. Have some decency and recognize it is human effort. I mean if your god really cared, they should not have been sick in the first place.
And there is nothing grand in making a 6K people apostles of ghosts. No, you aren’t helping. Teach them to think for themselves and to learn from nature. That way we will build a better country.

just in case the admin doesn’t find my comment worthy of approval.

Back to the post anyway, I must say I have no recollection when there was such a tremor. I have been in the country in the past year and my travels weren’t farther than Tanzania, so I don’t know how this passed me by. Maybe it is because I don’t watch TV or follow what pastors are up to.

This week actually started about eight months ago as I was helping a friend of mine deliver Bibles and devotionals to a friend of his at the hospital in Kijabe.

This must be the longest week in recorded history, spanning 8 months! And how do bibles help in hospitals? You should be distributing food and help sort medical bills, but that is for later :-P.

I had no idea that I was about to meet the craziest Woman of God I’ve ever met.

Aren’t they all crazy?

Mercy Ng’ang’a has been serving the patients at Bethany Kids Hospital in Kijabe for over 8  years.

I only hope as a nurse or resident doctor. I may be wrong though 🙂

 In her time there she has made over 400 disciples that she keeps in touch with through regular phone calls and she holds 5 conferences a year to meet with and teach them. Last year she led 400 people to the Lord (which she says “only 400″) while those she discipled led 6,740 people to The Lord last year.

Ah I see! She has been busy making sheeples of sick people and other idles. I don’t envy her any bit, though I wouldn’t mind so many followers :-P.

Her job at the hospital isn’t easy. It requires her to meet with children and their parents in times of hardship, many kids often are fighting death. Each week Mercy may be called in 3-5 times to pray with a child that is about to pass away.

That is a job I wouldn’t take. Lying to people who are about to close the final curtain that god is waiting for them with flowers, and gold paved streets and angels singing hallelujah on end, forget some of them couldn’t sing to save their lives.

After meeting with Mercy and fighting back tears from the stories she has experienced and her own testimony, I just wanted to figure out how we could be a part of her ministry.

Here is where I know I could help. First, take the bibles away but keep Ecclesiastes, I don’t have to throw the whole book you know. I will read for them the passage

3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:

2 a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6 a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time for war and a time for peace. {Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 NIV]

At least this author knew everything has its on time. I think his only major undoing was to listen to theologians of his time who lied to him there was a god. Second, and this I used to do when I visited children who were suffering from cancer at KNH, play with them, especially those who can play to just distract them from the burden of disease. Make their surroundings as pleasant as possible. But leaving out the prayers 😛

This week we sent 30 crazy Adventures in Missions short term missionaries to partner with Mercy in her day to day ministry. I’m not sure why I was so surprised at what happened, but let’s just say God showed up!

Did he have a short and beard, my friends would like a word with him and some actually want him killed. By the way is it a he or a he-she?

– Jeremiah, a young boy in the children’s ward, was fighting a disease that made his bones brittle and caused them to break. He was a regular in the hospital staying a month at a time each visit. This week he was in his second week of treatments when the team came in to pray with him. Jeremiah’s condition was improved (possibly healed) to where they discharged him. He felt so much better (like he had never experienced) that he wanted to give his life to the God that heals and promised Mercy that he was going to become a pastor so he could tell his story.

So doctors treat him, then he wants to thank ghosts? And become an agent for ghosts making money from other sheeple like him? The bigger question is why was waiting just for the thirty dullwits?

– Sophia had been fighting hydrocephalus (water on the brain) for her entire life of 14 years. She came in due to the intense seizures she was experiencing. Our team joined Mercy in prayer over Sophia believing that God could heal her. The seizures stopped. The doctors soon took her in for treatment and couldn’t find anything, so they later took her in again, then performed a CT scan – still nothing. Sophia went home… healed.

Maybe she had been misdiagnosed the first time and the second time. But again why did god let her fall sick in the first place? Is it so that the agents of deception, in this case called crazy Adventures on Mission, to lie to gullible minds, their parents included?

 Mama Precious brought her daughter in because she was unable to see. One of our team members, Jay began to play songs for her on the guitar. As he played the girl began to weep (Mercy knew it was God healing her). Not long after the girl was discharged with her sight back. Mama Precious who had previously denied God came to Mercy wanting to follow this God of healing and power.

Am buying a guitar! I didn’t know it had healing powers but that aside, is it that this child had not wept before ever in her life or what was it with this weeping? I hear the supposed vice president weeps a lot, maybe he was also born blind. Just speculating 😛

– A woman came into the women’s ward of the hospital being carried because she was unable to move her legs, much less walk. As she sat in her chair the  team approached her and began to pray. After they prayed she stood up. After they left, she walked out of the hospital got in a bus and went home.

This is a joke! She maybe has never been carried since she was a baby! She has been carrying all the men and girls in her life and just wanted a break or she had muscle pull. I mean if this are the things god is doing, there is a problem here!

This isn’t Adventures in Missions’ story, or Mercy’s. This is God’s story. This is who He is and what He does for the children He so desires to see whole and complete.

It is a story of misanthropes, dullwits and sheeples! No gods involved and it is this madness that need to be checked!

These aren’t all of the stories this week. Our team prayed over the mens and women’s ward of the hospital and when Mercy went back that afternoon they were cleared. In an ICU of a children’s hospital that sees two children die a week, the ICU was cleared and not one child was lost.

I must say this is a very active group of sheeples! I am wondering why hospitals are still full! And can I now cancel my health insurance? I mean you have prayed over the wards and ICU. The hospital can now turn ICU into a VIP bar just to begin with and the wards to be guest houses? What do you people say?

You can be a part of His story…

Yes am a part of history! What the hell did you think?

I’ll be posting even more stories of the week that shook Kenya. Please be praying for Mercy and her ministry and be praising the God that heals.

I will be posting why we don’t need sheeple and the week that didn’t shake Kenya and I definitely am not praying and I know god doesn’t mind. He simply doesn’t exist.

I hope you liked it 😛 as much as I did.

A travesty of justice: Was he railroaded?

Yours truly is not a lawyer, neither was he in court during the trial. It is the aim of this post to look at this particular case from what was reported in the media and offer a defense for the young man.

First the details of the case.

David was charged with violently robbing his father while armed with a revolver and a knife. He stole a wallet containing Sh1,000, an ATM card, Visa Card, Alien Identity Card, two medical cards, three supermarket smart cards and a mobile phone all valued at Sh157,000.

and the decision of the court

I have considered that he is a first offender but also the fact that the offence he is charged with carries only one mandatory sentence. I will be imposing an illegal sentence to deviate from what the law says and, therefore, order him to suffer death.

the testimony by the father

Mr Mulready Tett testified that on the fateful day, his son called him to the living room where he found him with two other men. He noticed that his son was troubled and requested that they go outside to have a private talk and when they went back in the house, he requested the two to leave.

and the son’s response

the young Tett said that he was a victim of circumstances, that he was hijacked by the robbers who asked him at gunpoint to take them to his parents’ home and had no alternative but to comply.

I don’t know about you, but this case smells bad from the word go especially listening to what the adopted mother had to say

He used to claim for his share of property. Who is he? He is not even my own son. I only took care of him and in any case, I could have given him some property.

I am not privy to how the adoption was arranged, how they are related but I think there is more than meets the eye in this case. For one the sentence of the court defies the laws of natural justice. What good does society gain by the death sentence? How does the attempted theft of 157K warrant a death sentence? Why did the court dismiss the plea by the son that he was a victim of circumstances?

I believe a person acts as he does and that environment, training and temperament all play apart in someone’s behaviour. It would be useful for us to know under what circumstances David was brought up. His story has not been told in the whole of this. We have on the contrary the story of a once powerful mother complaining to be aggrieved while she sheds crocodile tears.

Anyone who receives death threats can go to the police and file a complaint. She says

He has always kept threatening the family, I had to restructure my security detail, change my routes because of the consistent death threats I always get from people hired by him to come and kill me.

It would be interesting to know if she ever reported such incidences to the police? Were this people arrested and what became of their cases? How did she tell her son had hired them or did they report this to her? And if they could report to her, they could also tell the police, why didn’t they report to the police they had been hired to kill the lady? This, to me, simply makes no sense.

I think the magistrate erred in sentencing David to hang. I think justice was not served and I hope that he files an appeal and gets his sentence commuted or revoked altogether.  And am I opposed to death penalty.


Tett son sentenced to death

The adopted child who would turn against his parents

Just don’t think about it: A response

You have met Debilis, our resident apologist whose main occupation is either to attack the claims of materialism or New Atheists without supporting his claims. To engage with him on his posts is usually a slippery affair because one can hardly ever pin point what it is he is defending. Having said that, let us look at this post.

There seem to be two basic explanations for the origin of all physical reality (i.e. the universe):

1. God caused it
2. There is no explanation

He starts with a fallacy of false dilemma, one has to choose either of the two of answers. He is led to this problem by assuming that the sum of all reality must have a beginning. Once on the path he has taken, to get out of it, one has to resort either to superstition or consult reason on his path.

After leading himself on this erroneous path, he creates a strawman. He writes

 in that those making the accusation are generally of the position that “there is no explanation” or “we don’t know, and should therefore change the subject” is the correct answer to this issue.

I don’t know who he has his discussions with, but so far as I can tell, I haven’t met anyone who says there is no explanation or let us change the subject and I think it would only be fair that he provides such links if this discussions are online. But if it just making baseless claims, he can go ahead as this seems to be what he excels in, any way! While at it though, I don’t see anything wrong with saying we can’t know whether the universe had a beginning or if it has existed eternally. We can hypothesize based on the current knowledge as to what could have brought the universe and all that it encompasses into being.

Please tell me, how does positing god did it answer the question he posed? I have said before and I will say again that god is a vague a word without meaning. It’s origin is in the depths of man’s ignorance when he attributed to causes inimical to his state phantoms he called ghosts and those causes that were beneficial he attributed to gods. To therefore make a claim

“God caused it” is not a halt to inquiry at all.

And say it doesn’t halt inquiry is to be intellectually dishonest. It is to ascribe natural causes to phantoms and chimeras that man created out of ignorance and perpetuated through force and violence.

 To insist that all explanation is scientific is to embrace materialism, which presumes that God does not exist. To use this as an argument against God, then, is wholly circular.

Am waiting to be shown how the claims of materialism is circular. In fact, I would want to be told what the author understands by science and why it is wrong to embrace materialism. I would also like to be told what is meant by god and why this author thinks it is necessary that such beings exist.

To accuse others of a cop-out for demanding explanations or definition of terms is simply dishonest. Our author writes

I’ve even been told that God is a vague concept. I think this is mostly owing to our current poverty in theology (to which I cannot claim to be immune). The idea of God has been discussed, defined, argued over, and refined for millennia, to say that this is a vague answer or a “semantic cop-out” is simply to announce one’s own ignorance of the history of western academics.

Correct me where am wrong. Theology simply is the study of the attributes of god. I want to be told since Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, Avicenna, Tertullian, Clement, and other church doctors, what have we learnt of the nature of this supposed god whose existence we are told is necessary? To say that those of us who dismiss theology exhibit a poverty in the same borders on the ridiculous especially if the person making such a claim does not go ahead to define what they mean by the word god.

How did God cause the universe? 
What does that say about his traits?
Has he created other universes?

Dear reader, tell me how any of these questions can shed some light on the question of the existence of the universe? In the bible, which I believe is the source from which Debilis draws his ideas of god, we are told in Genesis 1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.[KJV]

We are unable to learn anything about how this creation was achieved. No matter how long we spend meditating on this particular passage, we shall forever be in darkness with regard to the question. This passage also confounds matters because it doesn’t tell us why there needed to be a beginning in the first place.

I contend in conclusion, contrary to what the author is arguing, that positing a god as an explanation is to confound matters. It is to create roadblocks on the path of honest inquiry. It is to ascribe to causes natural, immaterial origins, it is to suppose phantoms are responsible for the laws of nature. It doesn’t contribute to knowledge. And one must first define god without contradictions and use of words that are devoid of meaning to even continue on such a path.

I end this post with a quote  of W. K Clifford where he admonishes those who hold onto beliefs taught to them in their childhood even in the face of evidence to the contrary. He writes

It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence. If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call into question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it- the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.