You gotta give it to the god believers


In a post addressed to atheists, agnostics and other non-believers, one of the god believers wrote the comment below, which in my view, really shows they don’t understand the real issue really. ย One, how does this person know that god has chosen not to do these things, what god are they speaking about? And no, we don’t blame god, neither do we hate god, all we do is lack a belief in the existence of any and only point out to the believers that their understanding of reality is quite skewed if on the one hand they hold their god is a loving and all-powerful god but still allows misfortune to visit them. That there is a contradiction in their belief system that they need to address without getting into any rationalizations. It is in fact arrogant to claim that god, any god, can’t be questioned. So this person thinks that the story he/she reads in the bible about god committing suicide to save us from himself is such a good story? No, far from it. How could a person, even if he lived and died several thousand years ago, have died for sins, whatever they are, that I am yet to commit? Why, if he already died do we still have to believe as a condition? How powerless is this god they worship?

Any god believers reading this, if your god exists, I don’t think it would be arrogant to question s/h/it decisions unless you imply that s/h/it is a malicious, capricious and vicious dictator whose writ is law and is beyond question. The next question would be does such a being deserve worship or fear and condemnation and if possible to be removed from position of authority?

It is arrogant to expect that God has to prove anything to anyone! He could do a lot of things, but He chooses not do them for a variety of reasons! People blame a God they either ignore or hate most of the time and then when something bad happens they expect He is going to save them from the crisis or disaster! God did more than enough for mankind when He allowed His only Son to die for our sin! We are not guaranteed a miracle or His intervention: that is not the basis for believing God!

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

31 thoughts on “You gotta give it to the god believers

  1. Shinashi says:

    Besides your thoughts on not questioning a god and what it is thinking- both which I agree with- I would like to know, really, how would this believer expect for someone to believe in any god, especially over any other, if no god is to be questioned or to have itself proven true.

    The third sentence is most telling. If a strident believer expects god to save them from disaster, should they just shrug if nothing happens? Why waste time worshiping such an unhelpful god? What would be the basis of worshiping god if its not going to help you in any way while living.

    The only real answer can be that to worship god in this life is so you can get to heaven in the next, and suck up whatever shit happens to you in the meantime.

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    • makagutu says:

      I agree with your comment, the only reason they can have of worshiping whatever god they chose to worship is about a nether world because as it appears, their god is ineffective in this one. One wonders why they think s/h/it would be powerful in a different world?

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      • Shinashi says:

        Evidently, because it would want to be or it promised. But I find it kind of arrogant to believe it should keep its promises to a mere human.

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  2. reikiheidi says:

    Hahaha, well that response by the god believer is really… um… persuasive, isn’t it!

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  3. archaeopteryx1 says:

    RE: “when something bad happens they expect He is going to save them from the crisis or disaster!” – if one believes that, then one must also believe that the same god is the cause of the crisis or disaster.

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  4. Mordanicus says:

    In order to hate some one or something, you have to believe the object of hatred exists in the first place. Since atheists do not believe in god, it would be irrational to hate god for them. Some theists go so far, that they claim to true atheists do not exist, and that all atheists do actually believe in god, but pretend not to do so. Of course such ideas say more about the psychological constitution of such theists, than anything about the sincerity of atheists.

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  5. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Excellent argument, my friend! It’s always the same old proposition from a different author with the theists. They need to update their script. Much love and naked hugs!

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    • makagutu says:

      If they updated the script, religiosity would reduce considerably in the world we live in and I think this would help us concentrate more on matters here than on a nether world from which no one has given a report of what they found there.

      Hugs my brother and friend.

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  6. john zande says:

    Huge logical error in this person’s thinking: an omniscient god CANNOT choose anything. To satisfy the requirements of omniscience such a deity should exhibit no mind set at all.

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  7. I have never understood the dichotomy of the all powerful god who loves people and looks after them but then goes and makes tornados and tsunamis and earthquakes that hurt the very people who believe in his/her goodness. Imaginary friends can’t actually help or hurt us. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    • makagutu says:

      My good friend, to understand that dichotomy, you would have to be religious, as it is, I don’t think the heavens would care that you understand ๐Ÿ˜›

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  8. foolsmusings says:

    As always well said. Sorry I haven’t commented much lately, I miss reading your blog.

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  9. “all we do is lack a belief in the existence of any and only point out to the believers that their understanding of reality is quite skewed if on the one hand they hold their god is a loving and all-powerful god but still allows misfortune to visit them. ”

    Pardon me a quick second for seriousness’ sake. Maybe something about the universe that God created is such that God chooses to respect its intrinsic nature and keep it stable (vis a vi the “laws of nature”) to a certain degree? Maybe that might mean God didn’t intervene too often? Even when that means tornadoes might tear through someone’s home?

    I guess, then, that you might fault that God for doing one thing and not another. Maybe that makes sense.

    Or maybe I’m saying the word “maybe” too often. Thanks anyway, Resume the frivolity.

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    • RE:”maybe Iโ€™m saying the word ‘maybe’ too often.” – or maybe you’re saying the word, “god,” too often, unless, of course, you have indisputable proof —

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      • ‘Cause that wouldn’t be too big of a demand on a philosophical concept or anything…

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        • Which in English means –?

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          • If all of knowledge were limited to things we have indisputable proofs for, we would know very little.

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            • It is better by far, to know a small amount of factual information, than a book-full of fables.

              “God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, that gets smaller and smaller as time goes on.”
              — Neil Degrasse Tyson —

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            • makagutu says:

              but don’t you think we still know too little? and most if not all we know is provisional except facts such as Churchill being a one time Prime Minister of GB

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              • RE: “If all of knowledge were limited to things we have indisputable proofs for, we would know very little.” – even if that were true, at least what we WOULD know would be accurate. And if my compulsion to fill in all the blanks in the gaps on my knowledge-base with fiction was THAT strong, I would have to assume there was something wrong with ME. What’s wrong with saying, “I don’t know”? That’s just one of the many drawbacks to being an omniscient god – no surprises, nothing left to learn, all crossword puzzles already filled in, knowing the ending of every book you chance to read – where’s the fun in that?

                “What’s over that next hill, a magical kingdom, with unicorns and fairy princesses?” Now I can answer that with, “Wow, could be –” or, “I don’t know, let’s go see –“

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    • makagutu says:

      Allen, if I sound unserious, it is because I can’t take life to seriously, I will die at the end, you know that sort of thing :-P, maybe the questions I would ask you are
      1. which god?
      2. why had the universe to have a creator and how was this done?
      3. why had god to create any universe?

      If you can successfully answer question 1, you may then proceed to question 2 and lastly 3. Should you go that far, my final question then is, if the natural laws are able to maintain a stable universe without any intervention, why would a god be needed for its beginnings and or maintenance?

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