do people still hold such beliefs?


Everyday you read a post or comments by christ followers that leave you scratching your head wondering whether you are in a bad dream or you have gone back, using time travel to the second century. For, please tell, how can someone write

 

Being ‘schismatic’ is very serious- it means being cut off from the Vicar of Christ on earth, the pope and it was the first pope, st. Peter, who Jesus put in charge of ‘the keys’- ie deciding who gets into heaven, to put it simply. From the beginning the ‘experts’ in the church believed that ‘ outside the catholic church there is no salvation’ so it’s obviously very serious indeed to be in schism.

Anyone who is not a member of the visible church on earth might not end up in hell but if they don’t end up in hell its because of the graces coming to them through the catholic church, although not sure I’m explaining it very well. Speaking personally, I would not feel safe in a church of only 400 years or so, I’d want to be in the one founded by Christ.

Seriously! I don’t know what else to say except that we have lost this person permanently to the insane asylum, however, should they recover and return to the world of the rational, I shall have a beer ready for them.

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37 thoughts on “do people still hold such beliefs?

  1. Mordanicus says:

    Every religion tells that people of other religions will end up in hell. So in order to be sure not ending up in hell, one needs to adhere to every possible religion (and not just all existing religions). However, every religion also excludes any other religion.

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  2. Ishaiya says:

    Maybe they’ll return with stories to tell of some episode of time-travel, where they founded the first church of Christ, because they were Christ! Don’t these nut-jobs always have religious delusions anyway, I thought that was a classic sign of mental illness?

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    • makagutu says:

      I am at a loss for words! Do these people ever, for a moment, ask themselves why would a loving god, if such a thing exists, would have need for hell, when did he create hell and why? If we sent them all to the asylum, there is likely to be a rampage and shortage of shrinks to attend to them. In essence, the religious have made the world a big asylum!

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      • Ishaiya says:

        As far as I’m aware the concept of hell and the devil came a long time after the establishment of Christianity. Like a few hundred years, so how is that a basis for any kind of neo-religious logic? I don’t get that such people are so unaware of real-world history. Thing is clerics created the concept of hell to get more people through the door on a Sunday, and to stop them from marrying outside of their social class!

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  3. Scary actually, that people actually believe this stuff.

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  4. Reading this, I can’t help but feel that “schismatic” is not a very fortunate choice of words, here…. 😉
    To answer yesterday’s question: I’m fine, thanks, Mak! How are you and what are you reading at the moment?

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    • makagutu says:

      Hey my great friend! Am doing great. Am reading A.C Grayling’s Good book and haven’t finished Vol 1 of World as Will and Idea by Schopenhauer as yet.

      I am not sure whether the lady who wrote that comment was serious or it was a joke. In fact all the comments in the particular post read like the one I pasted here!

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  5. Arkenaten says:

    I am busy on that thread at the moment. They truly are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I have decided to take on “The Editor”.
    I am not holding my breath as to how long it will be before they begin to delete me, but I am holding my tongue and merely asking straight questions.
    They are dancing!
    It should be fun…..

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    • makagutu says:

      have read the comments of you being very nice or it the comments policy?

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Well, she has written on Violet’s blog that am ‘tame’, so I consider that a green light.
        I do admire the fact she has no Moderator running. THAT is marvelous.
        But perusing other posts it is evidently clear there re no real discussions, merely Catholics beating their chests and in most cases ‘damning’ any and all dissent.
        It might be interesting to stay for a while…I haven;t made up my mind yet.

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  6. violetwisp says:

    Wow, I just skim read the comments and didn’t even pick up on that gem! It’s a true classic. Even worse ones are appearing. One person asked in a clearly concerned manner if they received communion from a paedophile priest would transubstantiation occur. There’s just no point in even joining a discussion like that – they are totally bonkers.

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  7. paarsurrey says:

    “Speaking personally, I would not feel safe in a church of only 400 years or so, I’d want to be in the one founded by Christ.”

    -And Jesus- neither he ever go to a church nor he ever establish any church by himself.

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  8. such a great quote to demonstrate how Christians aren’t the uniform loving group that they always claim when insisting that Christianity is the “right” religion because it’s the most popular. They are all quite sure that no one but them are the TrueChristians. Catholics are sure that everyone but them are going to hell. Protestant evangelicals are sure that Catholics are pagans and headed straight to hell.

    Of course, all religions do this. Orthodox Jews don’t like the liberal ones. Sunni hate Shia. Everyone wants to make believe that their imaginary friend is the only one and all fail to show that it’s true.

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    • makagutu says:

      Oh yes, the catholics are going to heaven, theirs being the only true church, the protestants are convinced the catholics are going to hell and so on! Crazy people indeed

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  9. Real real me says:

    ‘Outside the catholic church there is no salvation’ sound absurd!
    At least he/she admitted it was not explained well. God is the one Who should decide who goes where, not the “graces of the catholic church”.
    By the way, did the pastor (with the post about existence of God) responded you?

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    • makagutu says:

      Nope, the pastor must be quite busy getting followers to respond to my questions.

      Why people want to go to heaven is beyond me though.

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      • tarunayroy says:

        Heaven is like a carrot on a stick for people with no built in morals to control their savage urges. If they weren’t controlled by scaring them of hell, they would unbashedly let loose their primitive instincts on others. So yeah, it is to scare the savage minded..That have existed over the centuries.. Other (normal) people don’t need all this..

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        • makagutu says:

          I agree with you here, the people who pretend to speak for their supposed god define hell so graphically to scare their followers, once one is hooked on the fear, it takes a lot of work to get them out.

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  10. Sonel says:

    Where’s my gun! 😉

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