Fellow sufferers, what do you think could have happened to human civilization had the barbarians [Persians so to speak] overrun Athens and stayed there to lord it over the Greeks?
Once you finish to think about it, let us be grateful for those few men and women who stood up for freedom and who would rather die than be slaves!
And that my friends is the end of this long post 😛
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I don’t think Tea would have made it to the UK
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You must like tea my friend?
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Can’t stand it. I love coffee 🙂
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Then you should try Kenyan tea :-P. I love both tea and coffee.
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I do not know, because I have too less knowledge to do your interesting exercise. A small variation in the independent variables, might cause a great change in the dependent variables.
I prefer to look at the future, and to imagine what we need to do to prevent our civilization to be overrun by the new barbarians.
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I like the idea of looking into the future to ensure that we are not overrun by any new barbarians but then history, though mostly written by the victors, makes interesting study!
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American satirical cartoonist, the late Walt Kelley once had the protagonist of his comic strip say: “We have met the enemy, and it is us.”
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I can’t see a lot of difference between that and the occupation forces of Alexander, who subjugated and lorded it over the Persians, the Indians, the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Jews, I could go on. Mankind has fought with itself for over 6,000 years, I’m always mystified that there are any of us left.
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I agree with you that throughout our known history we have been engaged in hostilities, some in the name of a god, some to expand territories, some to have control minerals and generally to enslave. There are times when these conquests have left to a transfer of knowledge from the vanquished or from the victors, one only wonders if these couldn’t have been achieved through peaceful means.
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I’ve just finished watching a 14-Episode BBC series on the Rise and Fall of Rome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB732wBSTvw), and in some of the battles, there are as many as 70, 000 casualties. America lost roughly 60,000 men during the entire Korean conflict and about the same number in Viet Nam, in each case, during the entire war. Can anyone imagine losing that many men in a single day? In a single battle? And this went on, intermittently, for over half a millennium – brutal, bloody death was a way of life, as ironic as that may sound.
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In one of the Persian incursions, the total count of soldiers, their assistants could have been more than 3 million and of all these, the number that survived to return to Sardis with the king at the end of the war could have been less than half a million. Really bloody wars these were!
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I can’t imagine any mother of a newborn son, having high expectations of grandchildren.
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No, that would be most likely out of the question.
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Don’t be too harsh on the Persians, my learned friend. They wrote the first moral code, built the first universities, were the first to established formalised astronomical observatories, the first to formulate common law system and tickled at the first stirrings of human rights. Gilgamesh was the first to fire the brick, and some of the Persian poetry is the finest ever written.
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I think this could have been after their interaction with the Greeks, am not sure though.
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Subjugate the Greeks? Horror of horrors! LOL! Yes, I am prejudiced when it comes to my Mother Country. Who knows where we would be today.
BTW: I love tea, abhor coffee. I can’t even abide the smell of it!
Much love and hugs, my Nairobi brother!
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They did to some Greeks like the Ionians, the Greek in Corinth and some other places. It is the Athenians who after the Persians burnt Attica decided they couldn’t take it anymore and organised themselves to chase away the occupying forces.
I like both coffee and tea 😛
Many hugs my brother
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Hehehe. Long post indeed.
I have thought about it.
Am still thinking though.
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Hahahah 😛
I will be waiting to hear your thoughts
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Every time I read about the Greeks and I encounter the word ‘barbarians’ I realise how little has changed.
Great question, Mak! I’ll go and think about it some more, now. 🙂
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I will be waiting for your answer
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