Quotes: Day 2


In our continuing series of quotes, I will present two snippets; one on why there is so much sorrow and evil

The world is full of evil and sorrow, because it is full of lust. Men go astray because they think that delusion is better than truth. Rather than truth they follow error, which is pleasant to look at in the beginning but in the end causes anxiety, tribulation and misery.

and a second one that talks about consciousness. And those god people who keep saying an intelligent creator is responsible, the Buddha says shut the hell up. It is written,

In the beginning there is existence blind and without knowledge; and in this sea of ignorance there are stirrings formative and organizing. From stirrings, formative and organizing, rises awareness or feelings. Feelings beget organisms that live as individual beings. These organisms develop the six fields, that is, the five senses and the mind. The six fields come into contact with things. Contact begets sensation. Sensation creates the thirst of individualized being. The thirst of being creates a cleaving to things. The cleaving produces the growth and continuation of selfhood. Selfhood continues in renewed births. The renewed births of selfhood are the cause of suffering, old age, sickness and death. They produce lamentation, anxiety and despair.

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

22 thoughts on “Quotes: Day 2

  1. These statements make me sick to my stomach

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  2. themodernidiot says:

    yeah cuz the bible is so full of celibacy! haha

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    • makagutu says:

      there’s something about celibacy too. I should post it sooner.
      I think if some of his teachings were followed, the human race would have ended eons back

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      • themodernidiot says:

        i realized i read this wrong and it was a buddhist wrote, not a bible one, so i you can disregard my comment.

        agreed on that we’d do well to follow his teachings. yet, somehow in asia where they’ve followed him forever, lots of moral problems. china is excellent at killing people, japan is wrestling its sanity with western style and a pursuit of money, india can’t figure out how to treat its women, and the smaller countries are just as insane.

        i’m finally to the point where i’ve decided that no teachings are going to help anyone until they sever the cord of traditional thinking. the world has passed these diehards by and they’re still trying to reconcile letting women vote. even here. silliness.

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        • makagutu says:

          i agree with you that maybe no amount of teaching is going to help anyone. maybe it has something to do with the human condition. there will always some John trying to exploit David and so on and so forth, it’s a funny life we live. And history almost seem to repeat itself and worse still is we never learn

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  3. Sonel says:

    Great post Mak. 😀

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    • makagutu says:

      I like the book and it is quite an easy read.
      How is my googlist[I like the sound of it] friend doing?

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      • Sonel says:

        Haven’t been reading much this side and I should but with this heat it’s difficult with the headaches I get, so I spend most of my time in the pool cooling off.

        hehehehe, yeah that’s me. I am doing fine my friend. Up and down but no complaints. How are you doing?

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  4. shelldigger says:

    I have to take this first quote in the context, that it is meant as an explanation for life as we know it, in the sense that other religions do the same…only different. I cannot agree with everything in these quotes, but some of those sentences are true gems. I just do not quite get how they jump to some of the conclusions…For instance the 1st sentence of the 1st qoute starts off with an assumtion, but then the rest makes pretty good sense. I assume here they mean that error is a reference to the Abrahamic religions.

    The second quote starts off well, then it turns to assumtions and/or rationalizations all the way down. I can see the logical train of thought in there, but to me, it is too much like the mainstream religions in that it is all based on pure speculation, and not following a true line of evidence that would satisfy my skeptical mind. I may have to delay that Amazon order…

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    • makagutu says:

      Am not sure it is a critique of the Abrahamic religions per se but he a critique of the Brahmins and their priests. He is drawing his lessons from nature. He doesn’t claim revelation and considered as such, they begin to have some gem. Look at it this way, he is writing many years ago and some of the things he is saying makes sense even today.

      In the first quote, where he talks of lust; if for a moment you ignore the sexual connotation, he is talking about desire, a constant striving that is the cause of suffering and anxiety. A desire that can never be fully satiated. Every time we get to the apex, a new desire is born in us and only stop when we cease to live or a state of indifference is arrived at, which happens to very few ascetics.

      On the second part, where he talks of blind existence, he is not off the rails again. If you think about it, Nature has not been known to be intelligent but allows the formation of intelligent beings. This is my understanding of the teaching. And I think you would agree with me, that the will to live, is a driving a force for all living species.

      And yes, it is pure speculation, he is developing a philosophy of life as he saw it. He doesn’t claim revelation from a god, the only claim he makes is about himself, and that is, as he saw it, he had reached enlightenment and I don’t think we can begrudge him for thinking as he did, but take some of the teachings with a pinch of salt. For among other things, I think he is right on the principle of sufficient reason, most if not all effects we observe have a cause.

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  5. john zande says:

    I salute the man’s clarity

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  6. shelldigger says:

    Mak, I agree with your interpretations to a great degree. A lot of that while written a long time ago still holds some universal truth. As bad as I hate to admit it, even the religions I despise, have their moments of clarity, though they are few. Some wisdoms of men are universal, and long living truths. Lust (either definition), greed, love, hate, the desire to live, these and many others are the human condition. We cannot ignore them if we try. Best we can do is understand them in relation to ourselves, and strive to be better tomorrow than we are today.

    The problem I have with interpretations is they are also part of the human condition. Coming from intuition, personal understandings, or well though out feelings on the matter, our conclusions while they may make sense logically, need to be grounded in reality. Interpretations become our weaknesses when we have no solid evidence to support them. It is ok to follow these lines of reasoning, but have to be careful not to let them rule us without being grounded in reality first.

    I hope that makes sense 🙂 ..and my interpretations should be taken with a grain of salt and a cold beer. They are mine, and may not apply in someone else’s head.

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    • makagutu says:

      It does make sense and I agree with you that reality must always be the arbiter of truth. As the say, even a broken clock is right two times a day, there are those moments of lucidity when the religious got something right. A lot of the things in the bible are outright bunk but still I find the book Ecclesiastes to be an interesting read in the sense that it approaches closely to what I think of life, as being all vanity and that all our pursuits are a chasing after the wind. Someone else may disagree and they will be right to disagree, but it is only in this aspect, that is, at attempts to answer the questions of existence, that I see these writings.
      The sceptic in me demands verifcation, demontsration or proof and all the time, as is humanly possible, will take recourse to the final arbiter, reason, and if any belief I have does not pass muster, either drop it or if it needs modification to fit with reality, then do that.
      By the way, misyogyny against women doesn’t seem to be a pasttime of the Judeo-Christian religions, one sees in this book how he struggled with the ordination of women tom join the ranks of his followers.
      And what is your brand of beer? We could have a malt someday my friend as we count the stars in the night sky 😛

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  7. shelldigger says:

    These days, when I have a cold one, I prefer Yuengling’s Black & Tan. It is a little pricey compared to the usual brands out there, but some things are worth the extra change.

    …and I could not imagine a better way to spend an evening.

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  8. “The world is full of evil and sorrow, because it is full of lust. Men go astray because they think that delusion is better than truth. Rather than truth they follow error, which is pleasant to look at in the beginning but in the end causes anxiety, tribulation and misery.”

    Well, this is applicable to any credulous religious person.

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