Atheist bashing! How atheism became a religion in all but name.


Yours truly happened by a post[ link will be provided at the end] that decries the zealotry of New atheists. Since the author, Frank Furedi, a sociologist, author and commentator and a former professor at a university also identifies as humanist, yours truly, will assume we don’t have to bother ourselves with definitions and go into the heart of the matter. He begins his post by reminding us there was a time when it was dangerous to be an atheist, though, we there are places in this day and age where apostasy is punishable by death.

He writes,

Where atheism was once depicted as a dangerous and subversive creed, today it is often portrayed as an enlightened outlook that perches on the moral high ground.

and this is where yours truly begins to see a problem. If the moral superiority he mentions is the demand that religions do not be given special treatment in the public square, or the claim that when the church and the state were in bed together, people were unhappy and miserable or that many lives have been lost in the name of religion- then atheists have a valid claim. Whenever it has been said that atheistic regimes have committed similar atrocities, the question that must be settled is whether this leaders killed or had others killed for their disbelief in the existence of gods for I think it is that question alone that atheism answers to. I could be wrong on this and I would like to persuaded that atheist regimes have killed others for not believing in god and if this is proven as true, then the atheists can have no high ground against the church they condemn.

He continues

But what is often overlooked is that the growing cultural affirmation of atheism has been paralleled by a big transformation in its meaning.

and I know you all want to know what this change in meaning reflects. He tells us

atheism takes itself very seriously indeed. With their zealous denunciation of religion, the so-called New Atheists often resemble medieval moral crusaders.

And how do they do this? It is by arguing

that the influence of religion should be fought wherever it rears its ugly head.

and this is partly true but doesn’t reflect the gamut of the argument. The argument here is that religion, any specific religion for example Catholicism cannot insist that assisted suicide, contraceptives or stem cell research shouldn’t be conducted because it is against Catholic doctrine. No! And it is this that those Frank identifies as NA decry and I think he would agree too. Opposing the clamour for special treatment of churches in the public square, for example tax exemption, doesn’t in any way make the atheists zealous. It is for the benefit of everyone that the public square be free of religious influence as much as is humanly possible for you never can tell which would be the next religion at the helm and whether they will approve of your brand of faith!

I don’t know how the arguments and claims of atheists verge on hysterical and irrational. To refuse to admit that religion causes harm is to ignore the testimonies of the many people who have left faith and have documented how the process of deconversion was painful and how they still feel the after effects of religion in their relationships.

His next issue appears is with the language adopted by New Atheists for he writes

the language used by atheist moral crusaders avoids the theological vocabulary of the religious. Instead, it prefers a more scientific-sounding narrative, demonising religion through the idea of medicalisation

and how do they do this? He tells us

In this vein, Richard Dawkins has described religion as a form of child abuse in his book, The God Delusion, and in other writings. He claims that instructing children about hell damages them for life. He claims that ‘religions abuse the minds of children’ and says ‘we should work to free the children of the world from the religions which, with parental approval, damage minds too young to understand what is happening to them’.

which makes yours truly wonder whether his problem is with Dawkins or New Atheists. That aside, I think, any teaching that leads to indoctrination whatever the source is not good for children. As a sociologist he must be aware of how hard it is to get people to change their thinking on matters such as religion or culture that were adopted in childhood when they were least able to analyse the questions in a rational way. It must be said there are those who for different reasons do not feel that they were damaged for good by religion but there are those who do and to deny this is to claim that those saying this are lying and I don’t think Frank intends to do that.

I think, Frank would agree that if one random fellow went to him with a narrative like the one found in the bible of a man living in fish for three days,  would consider that person mad and would recommend counselling. The fact that these stories are believed by many people do not now change the position that it is similar to a delusion and if it is the language he has a problem with, I don’t know how we can help this. I don’t think he would have a problem with believing WLC to be delusional in believing there was a zombie apocalypse as described in Mathew and that another is in store for the future. Let us be fair to the New Atheists, whoever they are, for why should Frank while decrying them for using medical language in describing belief go ahead to quote persons who I guess are believers. He writes

Father Leo Booth, in his book When God Becomes a Drug, warns of becoming ‘addicted to the certainty, sureness or sense of security that our faith provides’. John Bradshaw, one of the leading advocates of the American co-dependence movement, has produced a self-help video titled ‘Religious Addiction’

Am actually at a loss here for what has this got to do with New Atheists or the claim that religion could be described pathologically? And if it is the language that is the problem, I would expect that he would be generous enough in showing us some light in how he thinks these matters would be addressed. I can hazard a guess that there will be a shift in how these matterss are handled. I know this is possible drawing from experience in how people living with AIDS/ HIV or disabilities are referred to now compared to not long ago when the language used to refer to such groups was out-rightly discriminatory and encouraged stigmatization in many societies.

Atheists are blamed for being selective on whom they express their ire against. He writes

[..]although it claims to challenge irrationalism and anti-scientific prejudice, it tends to confine its anger to the dogma of the three Abrahamic religions

and he is partly right but as I said before he ignores the fact that in most of the western world, to which I guess he gets all these atheist writings, it is the Judeo- Christian- Islam lot of believers that each of us are confronted with on a daily basis and it is these three that insist to have a say on every public policy wherever they are the majority. The Hindu community in my country is so small and so quiet one may actually think they don’t exist. They pose no threat to public harmony but if they did, I would write about it. Atheists have condemned the ongoing terror posed by Buddhist monks, in areas where they dominate, against muslim minorities. To want us to put the Vedas or the Gita in the same breadth with the Quran or the Bible is to be blind to the great divide between how the Easterners sees man and his place in the universe and the narratives by the Middle Eastern god. Yours truly should be found guilty as charged for preferring the gospel of Buddha to the New Testament any day.

I don’t know if what he writes about spiritualism and mysticism is true. He writes

Since the New Atheism is culturally wedded to the contemporary therapeutic imagination, it is not surprising that it has adopted a double standard towards spiritualism.

I don’t know about you, but as for yours truly, to talk about spirits and to talk about god fall in the same class. They are words that to me have no meaning. And don’t get me wrong, for a great number of people these words seem to carry so much weight. I just don’t see it that way, sorry!

When he mentions Voltaire, he ignores to tell us that he, Voltaire, when in 1761 published the Testament by Jean Meslier, published a a grossly distorted “Extract” that portrayed Meslier as a fellow-deist and entirely suppressed Meslier’s anti-monarchist, proto-communist opinions, a document that can be described as the first atheistic treatise in modern times and which was so critical of religion, all religions and its influence in the Europe of his time.

He is right that the idea of atheist temples is abhorrent to most atheists but to claim that atheists shouldn’t meet as the religious do is to be guilty of insinuating that, because we have rejected the idea of god[s], we no longer need communities. How could this be when we are just as human as the next believer except of course that we lack a belief in phantoms, ghosts and gods? Why deny our humanity?

I therefore don’t see how he could justify the claim that

in all but name the New Atheism has transformed itself not only into a secular religion but into an intensely intolerant and dogmatic secular religion.

unless he supplies us with what the dogma he refers to is and what rituals and associated practices go with it. Unless he can do this, we would consider a baseless attack on atheists.

He says, and yours truly agrees, that

As a humanist, I am distressed by the corruption of the idea of atheism

but this isn’t done by atheists simply because atheism answers to one question and one question only. Beyond the question of the belief in existence of gods, you can’t deduce whether I like eggs or not.

When he writes towards the end of his article

Genuine humanists are critical of the influence of creationism and of religious fanaticism. Yet while attempts to reverse the separation of church and state are always a cause for concern, the real challenge facing humanists today does not emanate from organised religion. Rather, it is now often secular movements that promote the idea that human beings are powerless, vulnerable and victims of their circumstances

am a bit at a loss for I don’t see how atheists are at fault here. I don’t know what secular movements promotes the ideas he mentions and I would like to be enlightened.

Again when he writes

So instead of the religious belief in original sin, today we are confronted with the therapeutic claim that children are easily damaged and scarred for life. All the old religious sins have been recast in a secular, medical form. People are no longer condemned for lust but rather are treated for sex addiction. Gluttony has been reinvented as obesity. And envy and avarice have been rebranded as illnesses brought about by our ‘addictive consumer society

I don’t see how atheists are at fault.

Since this post is already longer than they usually are, I intend not to say anymore but to quote Meslier writing about religion in 1725. He writes

I saw and recognized the errors, the abuses, the vanities, the follies and the evilness of men. I hated and despised them, but I didn’t dare speak of them during my lifetime. I will at least say them upon dying and after my death, and it is in order that they be known that I make and write the present Memoire so that it serve as a evidence in support of truth to all those who will see and read it, if they deem it appropriate.

And if Frank or anyone else is going to expect us to wait till our dying moments to point out the faults of religion as we see them in our days, he is grossly mistaken, especially, living at a time where at every corner there is a church and one can not surf through broadcast before he is bombarded with religious channels asking for your money or time for miracles to happen in your life. No we shall not be cowed and for this we can’t apologise. Accuse us of other crimes but don’t tell us to keep quiet!

How atheism became a religion in all but name

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

36 thoughts on “Atheist bashing! How atheism became a religion in all but name.

  1. Mordanicus says:

    Excellent post! Atheism is an ontological position, secularism is a political position, hence atheists/secularists can disagree with other atheists/secularists on many other issues. Blaming the actions of some of these people to atheism or secularism, is without merit.

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  2. Mak – sorry to disrupt your thread, but I have no other way to reach you, I got myself kicked off of TA last night and can’t post or receive messages.

    Heather Spoonheim and I were arguing (what else is new, right?), and after it was all over, and there was no further need for interference on anyone’s part, this message showed up on the thread, from Moderator Dan, with the coke-bottle glasses:

    Keep the discussion on topic. ~ ADMIN</strong.
    (If I get a smart assed reply It will be a 1 week suspension)
    Act like adults here.

    Well, you know me, I just couldn’t take that lying down from such a pipsqueak, SO:

    You know what, Deppity Dan, if suspension is what it takes to oppose your unilateral censorship, fine, I have better things to do with my time, and those I care about have my email address anyway. Knock yourself out, Barney Fife – better yet, let’s make it two!
    Is that smart-assed enough for you?

    So in case you want to stay in touch – archaeopteryx@in-His-own-image.com

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  3. john zande says:

    This is the third post on this i’ve seen today. Debilis is trying it on for size too. Had to fight the urge to comment. That kind of madness hurts.

    Great rebuttal, brother. You’d make a fine lawyer, you know.

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  4. mixedupmeme says:

    When I start to read anybody writing about New Atheists, I stop right there.
    (don’t mean your post…but the source)

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    • makagutu says:

      I sometimes have the patience to read the whole post, maybe there is something the New Atheists, whoever they are, are doing wrong and they would need all the help and critique that can be offered.

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  5. aguywithoutboxers says:

    I possess a very simple mind, so perhaps I’m wrong here, but I always thought that religion was an organized belief system. Atheism, new or old, is merely the rejection or failure to respond to any official belief system. I’m not certain atheism is a belief system. It certainly isn’t organized and what would be the purpose of an atheist temple? What would transpire there? Tea and pastries?

    Great job rebutting his thesis, my Nairobi brother!

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    • makagutu says:

      Maybe they will be discussing Darwin or some other topic. I would want to know how a lack of belief can be codified and organised. There must be something am missing.
      Thank you my friend

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  6. I wonder how he feels whenever someone with a sex addiction or eating disorder gets better via secular means. Is it God’s work then? Or is it Satan working with the evil heathens? Ugh.
    I’m growing weary of the claim that religion owns morality.

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  7. I’ll have to agree with Furedi in a general sense. Dawkins does not share the sheer intensity of more fervent atheists. Sometimes their anti-religion animus appears indistinguishable from the religious fanaticism they oppose. That’s kind of ironic.

    While I hope for the day when people no longer believe in gods and march to the drums of religion, I think we’ll get there faster by just setting a good example. Angry, purposeful confrontation isn’t the way.

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    • makagutu says:

      Bob, I would agree with you about Dawkins. And if that be the case, the post should have been correctly titled to reflect that it is a polemic against Dawkins. It’s not like all atheists read Dawkins on religion, there are better authors for that.
      I agree with you that example would work faster than angry confrontation.

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  8. Good morning, Mak! This is an extensive article, but definitively worth reading. 🙂 I guess I agree with you on almost anything. I’d only add that I think some atheists (I don’t bother with the ‘old’ or the ‘new’ variety) are somewhat overconfident when it comes to science. It might be important to stress that science can never be an alternative when it comes to religion or any metaphysical question. Science can help you think, which is of inestimable importance, but it doesn’t provide any definitive answers in matters of philosophy. If it did, it would be a religion, too.

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    • makagutu says:

      Good morning lively and hope you are well.
      There is no denying that some atheists who seem to forget that science provides us with provisional answers and this I have no problem if someone condemns it. To go ahead to lump all atheists together because of Dawkins is to push it.

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  9. Arkenaten says:

    Apologists are having a field day with this label: New Atheists, as if atheists suddenly appeared on the scene;that we were all hiding in our closets the suddenly leap out to confront the Christians and frighten the poor things…shame!

    Atheism is not a religion; God forbid.
    I mean, Jesus H Christ, how they say this about atheists.Heaven knows we have no such religious tendencies, and yet they all seem to want to crucify us these days, right?
    I swear on the bible, these religious folk need to back off for god’s sake!

    Mak, why have you changed your comment set up? It is like Prayson’s blog, and is confusing the hell out of me…even though I don’t believe in hell.

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  10. shelldigger says:

    Mak, you never cease to amaze me with your well thought out posts. I can’t find a flaw in your reasoning anywhere, nice takedown.

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  11. shelldigger says:

    Lol. I am humbled, and if I knew you better I’d call you an excellent liar 😉

    My next cold beer will be in your honor.

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