On the works of Jesus


Many times we have been told Jesus was a great moral teacher and performer of wonderful deeds, Celsus doesn’t buy this and this is so close to when the said events should have been known to everyone who cared to inquire. He asks

What beautiful or admirable thing have you said or done, though you were called upon in the temple to give some manifest sign that you were the son of god?

He then continues in the same manner and says

Let us grant that these things were performed by you; but they are common with the work of enchanters, who promise to effect more wonderful deeds than these, and all with those who have been taught by the Egyptians to perform in the middle of the forum for a few oboli; such as expelling demons from men, dissipating diseases by a puff, evocating the souls of heroes, exhibiting sumptuous suppers, and tables covered with food, which have no reality. These magicians also represent animals as moving, which are not in reality animals, but merely appear to the imagination to be such.

Is it fit, therefore, that we should believe these men to be the sons of god, because they worked this wonders? Or ought we not rather to say, that these are the arts of depraved and unhappy men?

From the arguments of Celsus against the Christians

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

27 thoughts on “On the works of Jesus

  1. aguywithoutboxers says:

    What I find interesting is that there are no first-hand accounts of any of these so-called “miracles.” These tales weren’t written until decades or centuries later. Entirely too much time for such fables to be embellished and enhanced. An excellent selection to offer us, my friend! Thank you!

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  2. Didn’t I tell you, you’d like Celsus?

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    • makagutu says:

      I agree with you, he is good, very good.

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      • And the REALLY good part, is that he says what we want to hear! Our confirmation bias is complete!

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        • makagutu says:

          No doubt, it is very complete!

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          • Just trying to point out that we atheists, when it comes to confirmation bias, are just as guilty as the other camp. We all love to hear people say what we want to hear.

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            • makagutu says:

              While I agree with you, the questions Celsus is asking are valid. Why would a god have to run away fearing murder, why would he be betrayed by his disciples who have walked with him something that is almost unheard of even among a bunch of robbers?

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              • “why would he be betrayed by his disciples who have walked with him”

                Actually, that begs an interesting question. When asked, and I have, why a god would place a tree full of candy in a garden occupied by two innocent kids, and say, “Don’t eat that!” theists always insist that this god gave mankind free will, and that the tree was a test of it. But did Judas have free will? What would have happened to the entire, carefully concocted plan, if, when Yeshua turned to Judas and said, “That which you go to do, do quickly,” Judas had said, “Nah, changed my mind – could I get seconds on the wine? Here, just stick your finger in this glass of water –“?

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                • makagutu says:

                  What would have happened to the entire, carefully concocted plan, if, when Yeshua turned to Judas and said, “That which you go to do, do quickly,” Judas had said, “Nah, changed my mind – could I get seconds on the wine? Here, just stick your finger in this glass of water –”?

                  This type of question fall in the group I normally refer to as million dollar question

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              • Speaking of “Original Sin,” according to which all humans were destined to die because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, is it not a contradiction, that we find in Deuteronomy:

                “Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.”
                (Deuteronomy 24:16)

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  3. exrelayman says:

    Is Christianity reasonable? Celsus tells us.

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  4. Real real me says:

    Looks like Celsus is your soul mate. I can see similarity comparing his and your style.

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