Knowing the mind of god


Am not in the mood to write today. Am both tired and lazy but I think the author of this post must be omniscient. He tells us his god created the universe so that no robot is heaven and no victim in hell! WTF! What a torturous route this omnipotent and omniscient god employs to achieve his means. I wouldn’t do that even with my limited powers.

No robots in heaven, no victims in hell

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About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

70 thoughts on “Knowing the mind of god

  1. I suspect he’s confused, it should be no victims in heaven, no robots in hell. Robots could ostensibly loll about heaven all day for eternity, praising god, whereas humans, as Twain put it in his, Letters From the Earth, can barely tolerate an hour of “church” per week, while heaven is church that lasts forever.

    However in hell, robots melt, greatly diminishing their usefulness.

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  2. Yet another moderated theist website – what are they afraid of?
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

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  3. Ron says:

    “There is no joy in the punishment itself, but rather joy from His children repenting and coming back to Him.”

    Yet, according to the scriptures no such option is available. They report that hell is a permanent residence regardless of how penitent its captives become.

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    • It’s kinda like when you were a kid, on a road trip, needing to pee, and your parents told you, “Shoulda thought of that before you left home –“

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    • paarsurrey says:

      We understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad that hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.

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      • “…it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.”

        By MAGIC!

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      • makagutu says:

        it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.

        How do you even entertain such a thought in your head?

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        • paarsurrey says:

          @ makagutu

          It is not my thought; we believe it on the basis of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

          Please read the following Q&A:

          Q How long will a person remain in Heaven or Hell?

          A Paradise is ever lasting.

          Hell is like a hospital where patients are kept for a limited time to be cured of their spiritual ailments. They would be transferred to Heaven after having been cured of their spiritual diseases. Hell is thus for a limited period of time.

          http://www.alislam.org/books/my-relig/part2.html

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          • “we believe it on the basis of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.”

            So, you believe it on the basis of a man who has been dead nearly 1400 years, who said he flew on a magic horse, and you don’t see anything wrong with that?

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          • makagutu says:

            I tell you this is a curious fellow.
            Did he forget the teaching of Buddha not to believe everything just because you have been told by one in authority?

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          • He believes that doubt is a sin.

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          • paarsurrey says:

            This is not mentioned in Quran; the first and the foremost source of Islam whatever the denomination.

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          • The Quran is a crock of crap, as is the Bible.

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          • Please read the following Q&A:

            Can you prove there is no god but allah?
            If so, please do it now —

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          • makagutu says:

            Please read the following questions
            1. When did heaven and hell come to be?
            2. Why were they necessary?
            3. Where are they?

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          • Ron says:

            According to the following, Islamic hell is permanent for non-believers:

            “Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will respite be their (lot). (2:161-162)

            And this Islamic consultant agrees:

            In another part of the Qur’an, we read:

            *{Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say, “Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!”}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 64-66)

            There are other descriptions of Hell that are graphically horrific. Muslims believe that some people will be sent to Hell for all eternity, because we are told so in either the Qur’an or in the sayings of the Prophet (peace be upon him). They will never leave. Some of these people are actually mentioned by name.

            Doesn’t sound like a hospital to me.

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          • makagutu says:

            Doesn’t sound like it to me either.

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          • paarsurrey says:

            @Ron : Jan 30, 7:38 am

            “Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will respite be their (lot). (2:161-162)

            To understand a verse correctly; one should read it together with the verses in the context:

            [2:160] Those who conceal what We have sent down of Signs and guidance after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, it is these whom Allah curses; and so curse them those who curse.
            [2:161] But they who repent and amend and openly declare the truth, it is these to whom I turn with forgiveness, and I am Oft-Returning with compassion and Merciful.
            [2:162] Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, on them shall be the curse of Allah and of angels and of men all together.
            [2:163] They shall remain under it. The punishment shall not be lightened for them, nor shall they be granted respite.
            [2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.

            http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=160

            Please see the sentence [2:160] “We have made it clear for the people in the Book”; the verse is not in general for the non-believers; it is specific here for the people of the book or the Jews and Christians (called people of the book in Quran); so it is not for the Atheists here.

            Hope that helps.

            Thanks

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          • paarsurrey says:

            @Ron: Jan 30, 7:38 am

            Quote,“In another part of the Qur’an, we read:
            *{Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say, “Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!”}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 64-66)” Unquote

            Paarsurrey:

            Here again you have understood the verse incorrectly; the non-believers in general have not been addressed. The Jews and other non-Muslims in Medina who were under a treaty with the Muslims not to have any links with the Meccans as they were under war with the Muslims; they were addressed in these verses specifically.

            [33:61] If the hypocrites, and those in whose heart is a disease, and those who cause agitation in the city, desist not, We shall surely give thee authority over them; then they will not dwell therein as thy neighbours, save for a little while.
            [33:62] Then they will be accursed. Wherever they are found, they will be seized, and cut into pieces.
            [33:63] Such has been the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away before, and thou wilt never find a change in the way of Allah.
            [33:64] Men ask thee concerning the Hour. Say, ‘The knowledge of it is with Allah alone.’ And what will make thee know that the Hour may be nigh?
            [33:65] Allah has surely cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a burning fire,

            http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=33&verse=62

            Those who did not accept Islam/Quran/Muhammad with logical reasons; they are not addressed in these verses.

            Hope the verses are now clear to you

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          • Who cares? It’s all BS anyway, why argue over which BS is the more correct?

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          • makagutu says:

            I should just have copied what you wrote to him!

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          • makagutu says:

            Parsurrey what you are doing here reminds me of the movie dictator where the president quotes from a comic book while they are discussing nuclear weapons with the scientists and expects to be taken seriously.
            Your Koranic verses would make sense if you were having a debate with a Paulinian or a Jew and each person is quoting text from their not so holy books. Here, nope!

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          • I suspect he believes he’s under some kind of “holy mandate to Islamicize the world, yet he can’t even prove to us that there are no other gods than his allah. His allah would be very disappointed in him, if he existed.

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          • makagutu says:

            He would be a ripe candidate for disciplinary measures. He is lucky his god doesn’t exist

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        • “How do you even entertain such a thought in your head?”

          Because he believes blindly everything he is told about his religion – he likely hasn’t had a real thought that was truly his own, in his lifetime, he only thinks what he has been told to think. It’s about fear – he believes in a god that he fears, and he lives on the edge of doing or saying something wrong.

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          • makagutu says:

            He no longer shocks me. I have come to expect either a quote from the Koran, a link to the Koran or something close to the Koran. Indoctrination really is a terrible thing but he can have hope if he applies himself to heresy.

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    • makagutu says:

      god must be a vain being, or whatever it is. Has all the time to create everything and takes offence at a mortals misdemeanor!

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      • Ron says:

        “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
        ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

        And that’s being polite. 🙂

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  4. paarsurrey says:

    @makagutu
    Why did you not discuss it with the “theologicalthinker”?
    You can discuss it with him even now.
    Thanks

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  5. aguywithoutboxers says:

    His ideas are not original and I think he’s uncertain as to what he actually means. Or it could be my simple mind simply couldn’t comprehend his whole robotic concept.

    Take care, my Nairobi brother. Get some rest so that you’re able to pontificate as Supreme Pontiff tomorrow! 😉

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    • makagutu says:

      You bet, the pope will be doing what popes do!

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      • aguywithoutboxers says:

        But none of the others do it as good as you, my Nairobi brother…sorry….Your Sanctifyness! 🙂

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        • makagutu says:

          Thanks for your compliments. Now I should just have a paypal account and start my own bank like the Vatican bank, don’t you agree?

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          • aguywithoutboxers says:

            Agreed, Your Pontifical Highness! No reason for those thieves to hoard all the wealth! 😉 You must live in luxury and splendor just as extravagant as all the clergy of all the belief systems!

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          • makagutu says:

            Now you have spoken as a true follower. You will be made the pope’s ambassador to all the lands!

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          • aguywithoutboxers says:

            A Papal emissary? Does that mean that I can share in the looted booty? LOL! 🙂 Can I buy a sainthood and reap additional rewards? 😉 Greedy and corrupt believer, am I not? Just like all the others!

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          • makagutu says:

            We will not wait for you to die to be declared saint.. far from it. You will be declared saint at the pope’s pleasure and yes the money will be used together for holidaying!

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          • aguywithoutboxers says:

            Then I shall genuflect before you, kiss your ring, wash your feet as we jet off to a life of indulgent adventures! Damn, I guess it is true: power and wealth does corrupt! LOL! 😉 Much love and naked hugs, my Nairobi brother!

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          • makagutu says:

            I will not have absolute power, I don’t want to be absolutely corrupt 😛

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          • aguywithoutboxers says:

            You are indeed the ordained Pope of the Universe! 🙂 Much benevolent and wiser than all the other false ones!

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  6. paarsurrey says:

    @ makagutu :January 29, 2014 at 22:36
    “Please read the following questions
    1. When did heaven and hell come to be?
    2. Why were they necessary?
    3. Where are they?”

    Answers:
    1. The concept of Heaven and the Hell came into exist when the One-True-God willed to create man.
    2. The concept of Junnah (or heaven) came into existence to reward those who do good deed; and hell is its opposite pole.
    3. These are spiritual concepts ( not material) and hence don’t require any place in the Universe.

    For further information, please:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000017.html

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