6 reasons to believe


This post was originally posted here. Some responses can be found here for those who are interested. We would want to add our two cents worth of commentary to it.

Reason 1

Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

To claim design, one must know the end or be in a position to know the end to which something has been done. There is no evidence anywhere the universe was designed not that it is sustained by any power other than those inherent in nature. Where is the evidence that the universe needed a creator.

We are given examples why this is the case and I will only deal with one. They write

The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The earth just is.  We have found ourselves on earth, we can speculate about how it would be if things were different, but that doesn’t change the fact that the earth just is. Thinking of how I would act if I were the world dictator doesn’t make me one. We are capable of speculation and most times we are misled by it as we forget to ground our speculative reason on what we know and can verify.

Reason 2

Does God exist? The universe had a start – what caused it?

This assertion is in need of proof. It would be a leap of several magnitude to come from the universe having a beginning to god did it. To rule out the universe always existing in some form or other is a case of special pleading.

Reason 3

Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

We don’t know. All we can infer is that order seems to be inherent in nature.

Reason 4

Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell’s behavior

Being part of nature and in nature, we wouldn’t expect it to behave other than it does.

Reason 5

Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him

Last I checked it is proselytes knocking people’s doors selling faith. No one I know of has met this supposed god. All those who claim to hear him say they hear a voice in their heads. I don’t know, but how can we tell they are not hallucinating. Why should we take the claims of one over that of another?

Reason 6

Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us

Bunk! Honestly I didn’t see this coming. I don’t think the Jesus figure as claimed in the bible existed. This is wishful thinking and not a reason to believe.

I find this very disappointing. I was hoping to be convinced there is some reason to hold onto belief in the supernatural, and then this is all! How sad.

Advertisements

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

74 thoughts on “6 reasons to believe

  1. archaeopteryx1 says:

    To such anthropomorphic nonsense, I can only repeat what I’ve already said:

    “This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’ This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears, catches him rather by surprise.”
    ~ Douglas Adams ~

    Like

  2. Mordanicus says:

    Regarding reason no.1: there at least a trillion planets in our milky way galaxy, there are thousands of galaxies in the Virgo Supercluster, and there millions of such superclusters. That implies a very huge number of planets. So even if a planet has a very small change of having the properties of Earth, having a truly astronomical number of planets, the change that at least one planet has the right properties will approach one.

    Like

  3. Arkenaten says:

    This stuff just makes my head hurt. They are truly nutz.

    Here’s a blog you might like. Hosted by Tish Farrell.
    You realise when you visit. Enjoy.

    http://tishfarrell.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/looking-for-smut-work-on-kenyas-highland-farms/#comment-2077

    Like

  4. Disappointing, sad, and damned aggravating. There are 200 or 300 billion galaxies in the universe. Even if we had warp drive ships like Star Trek has, we would not be able to get to them. Even science fiction doesn’t bother with the concept of galaxy hopping. Star Wars takes place in a galaxy far far away. Not in several galaxies. One. Even for a pure fantasy movie, galaxy hopping is too impossible to make believable. My point is, there may be hundreds of millions of populated galaxies in the universe. They may be common. Very common. Or, life may only exist here. Who the hell knows? No one. No one has been anywhere but here and to assume that one has a knowledge of anything but what’s here is a bold face lie, either that or an hallucination. We do not know that the universe, in some form or another, hasn’t just always been. We CAN NOT know that a god designed it just for us, the Christian god specifically, from nothing. There may always have been something. Or not. But we don’t know that. Not yet anyway. Maybe if humans live a few thousand more years, the scientific method will lead us to some testable, consistent answers to where and how this universe spun into being. But there’s no way in hell anyone knows that right now. I really dislike religion. Christianity in particular, but they all suck.

    Like

    • makagutu says:

      Some not so much as Christianity.
      We don’t know and anyone claiming otherwise is a liar for Jeebus, who we have no evidence lived!

      Like

      • I agree. Christianity in particular annoys the crap outta me.

        Like

      • I should say, Christians in particular bother me. If anyone actually did what their god, Jesus, said they should do, it might not be as annoying. You know, “Love each other as you would me,” and ” What you do to the least among you you do to me.” Do that. Act that way, and maybe, just, maybe, you’d be OK in my book. But that isn’t at all how they behave. Fuck ’em.

        Like

        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
          — Mohandas Gandhi —

          “Just going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car.”
          — G.K. Chesterton —

          Like

        • makagutu says:

          I thin k if the Christians acted as Yeshua commanded them, there would be very few left. What with hate your parents policy and the like, not getting married in the words of Paul since the world is ending and giving every thing to the poor. They would all be so poor maybe they wouldn’t be able to procreate anymore and we would be dealing with some other fringe group.

          Like

  5. themodernidiot says:

    Haha your first sentence in response to number five made me laugh out loud. Good one lol

    Like

  6. Reason 7: IGNORANCE.

    Like

  7. john zande says:

    Mmmm, this porridge is just right! Goddidit!

    Like

  8. nannus says:

    If god did it, there would not be such stupid people. A perfect, omnipotent designer would have done better, so the mere existence of that post is proof of the contrary.

    Like

  9. aguywithoutboxers says:

    I agree with the comment from Nannus above. I intended to remark on an aspect of the content but after reading that thought here, I’m going to adopt that as my standard response from now on. If the believers can employ the same, old, tired arguments over and over, then why can’t i? Thanks for publishing this, my Nairobi brother! Much love and naked hugs! 🙂

    Like

  10. carmenw503 says:

    A question that arises in my mind- even recently- and a conclusion I seemed to have reached. If one does not believe that there is life after this one on Earth- i.e. no belief in a resurrection, then one would not believe that a God exists. One would just believe that this is it- life on Earth, now as we know it- pain, suffering, scattered hope and joys here and there amid all the other stuff. One would expect to rise each day until death- living in the moment, striving for whatever aims one wishes to achieve. On the other hand, if one believes that there is much more than this life- no pain, no suffering, no unfairness, equal joy and hope for everyone, then one would believe that there is a God. One would believe in a resurrection, that there is life after this one. A life that was meant for us all along- freedom from anxieties of today. I choose to believe that there is more to life than this- waking daily to more news of crime- some more heinous as the days go by; riots and ruin and a handful of good news. I choose to believe that there is a God. I don’t know but I have faith, it might be blind faith, if you want to call it that. I have questioned- is there a God? Who created “him”? Etc Panicked at the thought that maybe there isn’t and this is it- all there is to life- you are born, grow up with common struggles, you strive to be a better person, to touch other people’s lives; you develop health issues and die- or get hit by a bus, drown or whatever– could that really be it?
    I don’t know but I choose to believe that there really is a God and he created us and this world. Sounds funny, ridiculous to you? Well, it is your choice to believe or not to believe. Call me a fool… I don’t care. 🙂

    Like

    • makagutu says:

      I reserve the epithet fool for those who have demonstrated they are.
      I realize from your comment that you are most likely a Christian, that you believe your belief is the true one. There are many religions out there and you are aware some have no belief in the resurrection. That the highest level is nothingness or nirvana, where there is no rebirth? If immortality is what gives your life meaning, to each his own. I just don’t think we need immortality for life to be lived.

      You say you choose to believe. I would like to know when you made this choice? Was it before you were fed religion as a child or fed religion as an adult? Is there anything you believe and are not convicted of to be true? Do you believe anything before you have reason to believe it is true?

      You can still strive to be a better person without believing in immortality.

      I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks for your comment

      Like

      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        “I just don’t think we need immortality for life to be lived.”

        We can all think whatever we like, none of which will change life as it really is.

        Like

      • carmenw503 says:

        I dare say I have many questions about the faith I have chosen and an extension of your penultimate statement… what could we possibly be doing for all eternity (after being resurrected)? What was the real purpose of our creation? Was it so God could admire his handiwork, or bask in the praise of his creations? I have chosen to continue to believe- why? I have been through a whole lot and come out with a whole lot- it is much too much to be mere coincidence; or am I too lazy to think I could be in control myself and so choose to believe there is a higher order, another in control? I think it is something within that draws me to something higher than me. As a babe you have to be taught right? Some things you learn on your own, with others you need guidance. I choose, when I was being “fed’ as you put it, to accept what I was being taught. I have a long way to go for I am new in this walk- with a very colourful religious background so to speak- relatives and friends being Catholic, Jehovah’s witnesses, Rastafarian, and atheist. I am merely offering my comment, neither prodding, pulling nor shoving. Take care.

        Like

  11. Sonel says:

    Very disappointing indeed Mak. Those reasons means nothing to me. I think I’ll keep on believing in fairies then. 😆

    Like

  12. paarsurrey says:

    “There is no evidence anywhere the universe was designed not that it is sustained by any power other than those inherent in nature. Where is the evidence that the universe needed a creator.”

    I think the converse is more true:

    What evidence is there that the universe is un-designed and it needs no sustenance?

    Where is the evidence the universe needed no creator?

    What evidence is there in nature that tells that it is self-sustained?

    Like

    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      What evidence is there that there is no god but allah?

      Like

    • makagutu says:

      Do you think that someone rolls the sun from east to west?
      Do you believe that the earth is carried on the back of a turtle?
      Are you generally obnoxious? Do you find thinking painful?
      I have written in the post to claim the universe is created is to claim to know there was some intent on the part of the creator. You haven’t provided proof for the creator, why would I take you seriously that the universe was created?
      And allowing for a moment that it was, and taking this analogy from the things men create, we can rightly assume the universe was created by a committee that kept bungling their experiments.

      Like

    • shelldigger says:

      You know, I have to wonder what kind of freakin genius you think you are. You never add any useful information to a topic, only snipe from the sidelines with inane questions. Questions hinting at some sort of divine inspiration, then backed up with quotes from scripture as if any of us would take that seriously. There is a term for people like that. Troll.

      You got nuttin. par for the course for creationists of any stripe. Just so you know I personally despise all religions equally,not just yours.

      Until you and your kind actually come up with ANYTHING at all that resembles actual evidence that anyone capable of rational thought would take seriously you are just pissing in the wind.

      Question 1. Define design. Tell us how to properly identify it. How can we tell the difference between something designed, and something not designed?

      Question 2. Sounds a lot like the typical creationist response “you can’t prove there ain’t no god.” Nor do we need to. That is your burden of proof.

      Question 3. Every bit of biological evidence supporting evolution does so with no detectable evidence of a designer. Unless…you have some way to do so? Are you sitting on some kind of evidence that would show life as we know it indeed needs some sort of divine intervention to keep it sustainable? …I didn’t think so. Troll.

      .

      Like

      • paarsurrey says:

        @shelldigger

        “actual evidence that anyone capable of rational thought would take seriously”

        Please define as to what you exactly mean by“evidence”?

        Please don’t quote from a dictionary; give your own reasonable and rational thought on it.

        Please

        Like

  13. shelldigger says:

    I’ll take “Fallacy of the Single Cause, Begging the Question, Circular Reasoning, Incomplete Comparison, Ludic and Mind Projection Fallacies, Wishful Thinking, and Kettle Logic for 1000 Alex.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

    Probably a few I missed…

    Like

  14. paarsurrey says:

    “Do you believe that the earth is carried on the back of a turtle?”

    No; that is not true.
    Do Atheists believe such things? Very strange!

    Like

    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      “Do you believe that the earth is carried on the back of a turtle?”

      No, but I believe that you have no evidence that your allah is the one true god, and if you believe in him, you are REALLY letting him down!

      Like

  15. Wait! Are you all implying what I think you’re implying? That Allah is NOT a giant space turtle who carries the Earth around on his back? Man! You dudes have just DESTROYED my world! Damn you! Damn you! I suppose you’re the types who like to tell 4 year old kids that Santa isn’t real either, eh? Then do sit and watch ’em cry? Cold, man. Really friggin’ cold. How do sleep at night?

    Like

We sure would love to hear your comments, compliments and thoughts.

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s