What is Mary’s relationship to Jesus


I will give you a guide

1. If he was born of Mary, she was his mother.
2. She “being with child by the Holy Ghost,” and Father, Son and Holy Ghost being one, she bore to him the relation of wife.
3. God being the Father of all mankind, and God and Christ being one, she was his daughter.
4. She being the daughter of God, and Christ being the Son of God, she was therefore his sister.

The Christ by Remsburg

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

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  1. archaeopteryx1 says:

    This is from NIKKIJR’s recommended reference site, “Yahweh’s Assembly in Yehshua“:

    “Vowel-pointing was also applied to the name of Yahweh, using vowel-pointing to say Adonai (Master or Lord). Today, the English maintains ‘the cover up’ by placing ‘the Lord’ over the name of Yahweh. The title “God” normally covers up the original title of Elohim or El.”

    The article criticizes the use of “vowel-pointing,” Disdaining the use of “Adonai,” meaning “Lord,” and insisting on the original title of “Elohim,” or “El.” What NIKKI clearly has not done – and neither has the writer of the article – has been to research the entomology of the name, “El.”

    “El” began as a title originally used by the Sumerians, who inhabited the Mesopotamian Valley for 4000 years, living in an absolute theocracy until the Akkadians, originally a Semitic desert tribe, or group of tribes, began settling into Mesopotamia, peacefully at first, then after gaining numbers and strength, ultimately conquered the Sumerians, incorporating many of their language terms, as well as blending the Sumerian gods with their own.

    “El,” in the original Sumerian, simply meant, “Lord,” and was a title used as a term of reverence , say, for an esteemed person, much as we have English Lords today, or the Olde English term, “m’lord.” Later, that term was transferred to include their god. The Akkadians adopted it when they took over Mesopotamia, and after the Akkadian ruler, Sargon I, used his army to open a trade route from Mesopotamia to the Mediterranean, use of the word, “El,” to mean a god (just as “Elohim” meant “gods”) traveled from there to Canaan, where it became their chief god as well.

    It was also adopted by the Amurrites (Amorites), who ultimately conquered the Akkadians, ruling Mesopotamia for 500 years. The great Lawgiver, Hammurrabi/Hammurapi, was an Amurrite. The god of the Amurrites, Amurru, was also known by another name, “El Shaddai.”

    Throughout Abrahamic times, the Jews worshiped “El Shaddai,” but after the time of the Exodus (I use time of the Exodus, as opposed to the Exodus, because there is no evidence that the Exodus ever happened – there is, however, a specific time ascribed to it, around 1250 BCE), when a Jewish tribe or group of tribes, merged with another large tribe for a time, known as the Kennites, and alternately as the Middianites, and were introduced to the god of the Kennites/Middianites, YHWH, a simple desert god, which replaced “El Shaddai” as their chief god. Thus we have old YAH, in Exodus 6:3, saying, “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name, El Shaddai, but by my name YAHWEH was I not known to them.” In this simple verse, the writers of Exodus, writing hundreds of years after the alleged event, explained the entire transition from the god of the Amurrites, to the god of the Kennites/Middianites, without skipping a beat – a clever piece of writing, that.

    So NIKKI’s article is cautioning us to use the term, “El,” instead of the term, “Lord,” while not doing enough research into the history of the word (or the times, for that matter), to learn that the very word, “El,” in fact, means, “Lord.”

    As Gloria Steinhem once remarked, “The truth will set you free, but it will probably piss you off first.” Pull your head out of the clouds, NIKKI, learn the truth.

    “If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood, or persuaded of afterward, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question or discuss it…the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.”
    — William Kingdon Clifford —

    The same applies to women.

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    • NikkiJR says:

      The Lord is the English form of the Hebrew word baal. Baal is the opposing belief system that deals with sorcery and witchcraft.

      Deeper study has been done about the title, el. Your not the first to make these claims. Here is the response to these claims:
      http://www.yaiy.org/literature/ElohimPaganTitle.html

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        I WILL respond to your website’s shortcomings, regarding historical knowledge sometime today, but I have a number of irons in the fire at the moment.
        (TRANSLATION: I’ve just finished a big lunch, and am about to take a power-nap)

        After all, religion is the least of my concerns, be it yours or anyone else’s, as they are all fabrications, based on fear, superstition and ignorance.

        Humans, on the other hand, are far more important to me, and while I will ridicule to the fullest extent of my ability, any religion, I don’t do that to people, at least, not most people. Especially fragile ones.

        That said, you mentioned in an earlier comment that there was a time when suicide was an option for you – I care about that, I have a suicide in my family – I care about the pain you must have suffered, and although it is entirely your own private business, and none of us has any “right to know,” if you would like to share any part of it with us, I assure you, I will treat it with the utmost respect, and if anyone on the board doesn’t (which I would not anticipate), I assure you I will be all over them like ugly on a warthog, and NObody wants that.

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        • NikkiJR says:

          My past is a dark place, but I appreciate and trust your words. I will share when I am able. I have mouths to feed lol. I thank you for your care. I believe to have you care for me is a privilege, and I look at it as such.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “I believe to have you care for me is a privilege.

            You give me far too much credit, it’s a primate instinct – actually, I’m a nasty, horrible person who scares little children just for giggles – I’m not always snarky and sarcastic, I gotta sleep SOMEtime!

            But seriously, if you feel like sharing, please do – if not, I’m sure all here will respect your need for privacy. I can’t recall the last time any of us ate a baby, I’m sure it’s been weeks – well, except maybe Arkenaten, he’s…well, different

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I don’t believe any of you are mean or nasty. Anyone can act that way, but inside is a different story. Generally the meanest nastiest acting person is the one that needs love and understanding the most.
            If you truly want to enter the dark mind of suicide by all means comment on my blog anywhere and leave your email. It will have to be authorized for anyone else to see it, and I will delete it after I read it. 🙂
            If not I don’t blame you. It’s scary in the mind of someone so depressed. I am not like that anymore, but it doesn’t get rid of the memories.

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          • makagutu says:

            I am mean and nasty, that is fact 🙂

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Only by choice. You were not made to be that a way. We all begin as helpless babes, and we are raised in the environment we are put in.
            If we are mean and nasty it’s only because we are taught that we have to be this way in order to survive this cruel world. I used to believe this. But I have learned that there is another way. A better way to live. For me the only way.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “We all begin as helpless babes, and we are raised in the environment we are put in.”

            You’re absolutely right —

            Children are born without any perception
            of historic tribal religious cultures.
            It is we who allocate children
            religious labels
            with which to segregate themselves.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yes children need direction. Otherwise they will act like animals.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            If children act like animals, it’s because they are, as are we all. They may need direction, but not indoctrination. I had only one rule in my house – “You’re free to do anything you like, as long as you don’t hurt yourself, or anyone else.” That seemed to work, as I have well-educated, happy, successful children.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I was raised the same way. You will get my email soon enough..

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I am not an animal. Are you aware that by your beliefs of evolution that all who are sick, mentally or physically, or weak in any way are unfit to live because they drag the strong down?

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          • makagutu says:

            No, evolution doesn’t teach that.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Okay; then please tell me what evolution does teach. I will gladly admit it if I am wrong.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Check my answers to that I’ll await your admission —

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          • makagutu says:

            Arch has given you a 101 of evolution.
            If there is something not clear in his explanation please ask for clarification

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki – look at a herd of cattle, or bison, or water buffalo when under attack – they huddle together, with the horns of the stronger pointed out toward the danger, protecting the weaker of their herd, which are the ones most likely to be attacked. Taking care of our own is an inherited response to danger, inherited through evolution. Evolution isn’t about survival of the strongest, it’s survival of the fittest, and we animals are more “fit” who protect our own.

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          • makagutu says:

            You may find this video very interesting.

            Notice the buffaloes come back to defend their own.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Where survival of the strongest comes into play, is in the passing on of our genes. The giraffe, to go back to that example, that can reach the most leaves in a drought, is more likely to live to pass on it’s genes for a long neck to future generations than the weak, the infirm, or those with shorter necks. Human women tend to choose the best providers available to them, which tends to weed out the physically and mentally less adept, without the need to eliminate them, as you suggested evolution implies.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Not if the next step in our species evolution, involves acquiring compassion, which is a trait our species uses to keep the strong from killing the weak at will. And if, as you say, you are not an animal, then you can only be a plant – those are the only two choices available to you if you’re alive.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            No Yahweh put humans on this planet to take care of the animals and plants. We are made in His image and spiritual likeness. Unfortunately; people bypass the spirit that resides in them to do as THEY will; causing suffering in all kingdoms: animal, plant, human. The evidence surrounds us. Lawlessness is the down fall of man and its all done in the belief that we are no better than animals who just try to survive the rebellious onslaught done by those who are supposedto care for them and this world.

            Animals are more humane than humans because they lack one thing: the love of money.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Well, you can SAY that we’re “made in his image and likeness” all you want, but his kid, god Jr., is inclined to disagree – in John 4:24, the Bible quotes Yeshua as saying, “God is a spirit,” and in Luke 24:39, he elaborates further, “…a spirit has no flesh and bones…

            Now I KNOW I don’t look like that! I have a mirror – unless mirrors are one of those new-fangled gadgets, like telescopes, that you don’t trust either, you know, just a theory —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            That’s twisting words. Yahweh is spirit true, but man is made in His image and likeness. Yahshua would never teach against this seeing it was through Him in spiritual form; that we got this info. Hence He was the spoken word first and is the word made into flesh now.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            There’s no twisting of words here – either Yeshua is lying and you’re right, or he’s telling the truth and you’re wrong, plain and simple —

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          • makagutu says:

            At least something we can agree on. We are all born without beliefs, but a man is such a man, training and environment are only modifiers.

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        • NikkiJR says:

          First I want to say that my heart goes out to you in your own personal experience with suicide. Having been only on the other side I truly can only imagine the pain that you and your family go through. :hug:
          I thought about what you said and I will gladly share it with you, but after reading the comments of others. I would rather not have this part of my life picked apart or used against me. My past is there, but it is still a sensitive area for me to share with everyone. I don’t trust everyone. No offense to anyone in particular.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        Here you are, NIKKI – I told you I’d get back to you on this when I had more time.

        Baal was the son of El, the high god of Canaan. The cult of Baal celebrated annually his death and resurrection. Death and resurrection? That theme sounds vaguely familiar —

        Baal was a god of earthly fertility, relating to crops, rather than animals. A parallel of the magical rites of Baal can be found in Psalms, where “they that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that go forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bearing sheaves with him.” This is sympathetic magic, the tears shed were expected to induce drops of rain.

        The religion of the god Baal was widely accepted among the ancient Jews, and although it was put down at times, it was never permanently stamped out. Kings and other royalty of the ten Biblical tribes worshiped the god.

        In the Bible Baal is also called Beelzebub, or Baalzebub, one of the fallen angels of Satan. I strongly suspect that the purpose of this was to discourage his worship among the Jews.

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        • NikkiJR says:

          Interesting input. I know ancient Israel struggled with offering Yahweh alone. In fact Baal was a main problem as far as their idolatry. My favorite part is when Elijah confronted and proved to the children of Israel once and for all that Yahweh is the true Mighty One.

          1 kings 18: 15-40

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Speaking of Elijah, I found it interesting that he allegedly was taken up to heaven bodily, and Genesis tells us that “Enoch walked with god, and he was not; which also assumes without saying it, that he too, was spirited away to heaven, bodily. Yet the Gospel of John quotes Jesus as saying:

            “No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.”
            — John 3:13 —

            How do you account for that discrepancy?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I have this answer for you, but will have to dig in scripture. Also homeschooling… you will have it soon! This is a great question I have asked it myself. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            By all means, continue with the homeschooling, education is far more important, especially the part about evolution!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Ha…ha…ha…

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “…one will find that EliYah never traveled to heaven. One reason we know is the fact that King Jehoram received a letter from EliYah after this incident (2Chron. 21:12).”

            I’m not sure what it proves that Jehoram later got a letter – if memory serves, King Belshazzar got a letter too (Daniel 5:5), from heaven. Sheesh, nobody ever heard of airmail?

            “…the reference to heaven simply refers to the “first heaven,” which by definition in Strong’s Concordance is ‘the visible arch in which the clouds move.'”

            So…poor old Elijah is just up there in Earth’s atmosphere, flying around in the clouds?

            You strike me as being a very intelligent lady, Nikki, I’d really like to believe you have occasional thoughts that don’t come from yrm.org.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I came to many of these truths before ever knowing anything about the group’s that share my belief.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Ok, then. Remember – just say NO to Koolaid!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            If it ever happens I will heed your warning. Thanks. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki – I didn’t happen to see this mentioned —

            “Luke 23:43 – “To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

            Guess “yrm.org” left that out.
            I notice, reading the material you’ve posted periodically, that your organization requires the women to cover their heads. I don’t want to call it a cult, but just to be on the safe side, if offered, pass on the Koolaid, OK?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I thank you for your concern.

            43 And Yahshua said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
            (Luke 23:43 KJV Strongs)

            Looking at this scripture in my Bible I notice that the word to and day are not joined. So it’s not saying today, it’s says TO DAY. Even the strong concordance seperate the to and day which is odd. I will have to point this out to my fellow believers. Interesting. Thanks for sharing. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Oh, I’ve no doubt that at least some of your believers will find some wiggle-room, even if it’s through that tiny space between “to” and “day”.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            You got to admit that is odd.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “You got to admit that is odd.”

            Not really, when you consider that the KJV is an English translation from a faulty translation of the original Greek. This is what I meant, when I suggested you not only learn the Bible from the inside out, which apparently you do, but from the outside in – the history of the Bible, how it came to be. From my own website:

            “In 1514 CE, printer John Froben, of Basle, engaged Desiderius Erasmus, who produced a dual Greek/Latin version and the Greek New Testament was printed for the first time in 1516, based on only five Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dated only as far back as the twelfth century. With minor revisions, Erasmus’ Greek New Testament came to be known as the Textus Receptus or the “received texts.” It was hardly that, however, as the edition was full of errors, and not traceable to particular Greek originals. It was an instant success, reprinted with corrections several times, and led to nearly 200 successors, all suffering from errors to a certain degree between 1516 and 1550. The damage was done, the world was flooded with erroneous Greek text.

            “In 1611 CE, the English King put his name to the King James Bible, the 3rd Authorized Version, translated into English from the original Hebrew and Greek. Used by many to this day, and loathed by some as clinging to the past. The work was a masterpiece, the culmination of the 16th century work. It took the best of what had gone before in style, prose, chapter and verse division, and translation accuracy. Written to be read aloud in public worship, a literary and spiritual giant leap, which for its day, was breathtaking. The King James translators of the New Testament used the Textus Receptus as the basis for their translations, as well as the Great Bible and various other translations with Vulgate influence.”

            The KJV is an English translation of a poorly-translated version of the Greek, thanks to Erasmus, so if “to day” is an error, it is just one of multiple errors in the KJV.

            I don’t find it likely that many of your “believers” can help you with that – at least not honestly – as I doubt that that many of them have ever really studied the origins of the Bible.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            http://www.yrm.org/after_death_qa.htm

            Actually YRM has commented on this scripture. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki, I think I’ve gotten to know you well enough to believe you would not be deliberately dishonest, so I must assume the dishonesty lies with the author of the source material you offer.

            That author plays grammar games by moving the comma to make the statement say something it never said.

            He/she says, “Luke 23:43, ‘Verily I say unto thee, today shall you be with me in paradise,’ we understand He was saying, “‘I say to you today, you shall be with me in paradise.'”

            He/she takes, “Verily I say unto thee, today shall you be with me in paradise,” and changes it to, “Verily I say unto thee today, shall you be with me in paradise,” attempting to claim Yeshua is trying to emphasize his statement by saying, “I’m telling you today – yada, yada, yada –”

            We’ll ignore the fact that he would have no reason to use “today” for emphasis, as it’s obvious he didn’t know the man the day before, and was hardly likely to be telling him the next morning – today was all they had, thus there was no need for that form of emphasis.The truth is, that throughout the Gospels, we have seen him quoted as saying, “Verily I say unto thee –” repeatedly, but I would like you to show me, in all of those utterances, one single instance of him ever being quoted as saying, “Verily I say unto thee today, –”

            The author of the article to which you referred us, from Yahweh’s Restoration Ministry, was clearly caught with a contradiction that he/she was incapable of explaining, and so, to make it appear as though there really isn’t one, blames its appearance on punctuation. His/her behavior is trite, petty, misleading and downright dishonest.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Well I am glad that you know me well enough to know that I would not purposefully lie to anyone. How was the movie? What was the movie? You never did say. I will have to look into that. I was just doing math so my brain is all indignant for having to work today on it’s most dreaded subject. So please give me time to appease it with a well deserved break before embarking on this task. Lol.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Not a problem, I just got in myself – the movie was “Captain America: The Winter Soldier.”

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Hello. Well I have looked into several bibles and find that you are right about the comma placement.

            I truly don’t understand why the unknown author would change it considering it is unchanged in their own translation:

            http://yrm.org/bible/index.php

            I do not attend with them anyhow, but they are one of the more popular assemblies. I don’t agree with one doctrine of theirs that’s not biblical. I guess I should have double checked their grammar.

            Honestly; I cannot help but feel like Yahshua was saying, to date you will be with me in paradise. That by His actions that day, he had earned s second chance in the coming kingdom.

            Some background on what I mean. We believe that when Messiah Yahshua returns that He will set up the Yahweh’s government as the first chosen people were instructed to do, but failed.

            This is also the time for all the innocents who died before knowing Yahweh’s ways, to know it, and experience it without the distraction of the evil influences for 1000 yrs. Us, we who use our life now to know His word, and teach it will be transformed into spiritual beings to rule in righteousness and continue the work along side the Priestly King Yahshua. A high honor.

            So Yahshua is telling this once condemned man that he will be able to have a second chance in the kingdom. Many will be able to do so. Yahweh says that there is ONLY one act of rebellion that is unforgivable. That is blasphemy.

            From my understanding; blasphemy is bringing Yahweh’s name to uselessness, and only someone like myself can commit it. Someone that knows the truth and rejects it and teaches lies in the place of truth. Like the devil, false religious leaders etc..

            You probably won’t accept my answer but it’s the only way it makes sense by knowing the scripture as well as I do.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “I truly don’t understand why the unknown author would change it considering it is unchanged in their own translation

            We atheists are quite accustomed to theists misrepresenting the truth. The Creation Museum is a prime example.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Also please remember that I hold the belief that the NT was originally in Hebrew because the authors were all of Hebrew origin, and that I agree that things have been altered for the doctrine of man. They are pretty easy to pick out because there are no roots of them in the OT where the NT teaching continues.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Highly unlikely, Nikki – the Jews went to Babylon speaking Hebrew, and came out speaking Aramaic, which then became the language of Israel. Even if, as you maintain, the NT was not written in Greek – and all indications are that it was – it would not have been in Hebrew, but rather Aramaic.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            From my understanding, Aramaic and Hebrew are not that different. Am I wrong?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Both Hebrew and Aramaic are Semitic languages, and the closest I could compare them, would be comparing Italian with Latin – certain root words are going to be the same, of course, but they are two distinctly different languages. However Italian evolved from Latin, whereas Aramaic was the language of Canaan and Babylon, which the Jews picked up while they were there in captivity.

            This, from Wikipedia:
            “During its over 3,000-years of written history, Aramaic has served variously as a language of administration of empires and as a language of divine worship. It was the lingua franca of the Neo Assyrian Empire, Neo-Babylonian Empire and Achaemenid Empire, the day-to-day language of Israel in the Second Temple period (539 BC – 70 AD).”

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I thought they were close. So the Hebrew today is a mixture?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki, I am exhausted, and would love to simply fall on my face and not get up for 8 hours, but I’ve gotten up on the wrong side of the floor before, and it hasn’t turned out well for anybody, so let me get this down while I can.

            Also, let me say at the onset, that if I tell you things you already know, I am not trying to talk down to you or be patronizing in any way, but if I’m going to lose sleep, I’m going to be sure that my effort be successful, that you understand everything I’m saying.

            That said, we are first going to discuss a subject in which I know you do not believe, but indulge me and read any, as it will eventually lead to the issue of languages. That subject is evolution.

            In siblings, except for identical twins, which is actually the case of an a fertilized egg dividing into two separate, but identical individuals, no two of us are alike. You and your brother/sister each get 24 chromosomes from each parent, but not the SAME chromosomes, so that each of you are similar, yet each is different. If you have a brother or sister, I would suspect that by the law of averages, you and he/she are not the same height – one of you is taller than the other. Over time, the shorter of you is BOUND to ask the other to reach that item for them, that is up on the high shelf – even if you have no siblings, don’t tell me you can’t imagine it happening, because similar scenarios are all around us.

            The way evolution works, is that when you place members of the same species in different environments, they change to better survive in their respective environments – the same thing happens to a single species, when the environment changes.

            In our host’s country, Kenya, for example, giraffes roam freely. There was a time, however, when giraffe’s had short necks – well I say that, but as I demonstrated earlier, no two received the exact same set of chromosomes, so some had necks longer than others, just as some humans are taller than others. but when a drought hit and the grass quit growing, tree leaves were the only source of food. Naturally, all of the giraffes ate from the lowest leaves, but only those with the longer necks coule reacd the additional supply of leaves higher up on the tree, so these survived to pass on their genes, which included longer necks, to the next generation, resulting, overall, in herds of giraffes with longer necks. Now imagine that scenario repeated innumerable times, as cycles of rainfall and drought happened over centuries – the result is the giraffe we have today.

            Now, to language – Hebrew and Aramaic are siblings – brothers, sisters, or brother and sister, however you want to think of them. They had the same parent – and you can call that a father languqage or mother language, depending on your inclination. But those speaking one slight variation went one way, and those speaking another, went yet another way, about 3000 years BCE. Now, hold that thought, while I digress.

            Observe the following quotation:

            “WHAN that Aprille with his shoures soote
            The droghte of Marche hath perced to the roote,
            And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
            Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
            Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth
            Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
            The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
            Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne,
            And smale fowles maken melodye,
            That slepen al the night with open ye,
            (So priketh hem nature in hir corages:
            Than longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
            And palmers for to seken straunge strondes,
            To ferne halwes, couthe in sondry londes;
            And specially, from every shires ende
            Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
            The holy blisful martir for to seke,
            That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seke.”

            This is Olde English – Chaucer, to be exact – about 1400 CE, only 600 years ago. Compare that with the English we speak today, to see how much our language has evolved.

            Now imagine two versions of the Semitic language that fathered/mothered Hebrew and Aramaic, allow for the passage of not 600, but 3000 years, then try to imagine how much the languages had grown apart.

            The term, lengua franca, became a commonly used phrase a couple of centuries ago, when the more cultured parts of the world needed to communicate with each other, despite their divergent languages. French, at that point in time, was more often spoken by those parts than any other, and became the common language, the lengua france, “the tongue of france.”

            Our own host here, Onyango Makagutu, grew up speaking the native language of his tribe, the Luo, but when the need arose to speak to others outside his tribe, others who spoke different languages, he learned the lengua franca of the continent of Africa, Swahili, then, to speak to others outside Africa, such as you and I, he learned the current lengua franca of the world, English. This is how languages work.

            That said, I am now officially brain dead – I am going to sleep

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I hope you don’t see me as someone who is impatient. If I ask questions now I can wait till you get time to answer. Lol

            Night!!!!!!!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yikes, my own reply shows that I am tired. I can wait until you can find the time to answer. I expect the same respect. Life is busy.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Too tired to guess – what have I not yet answered?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I slept in! 10:30. Ran around…

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            You’re lucky – I got 4 hours, then went back and picked up a couple more this afternoon. I’ve written quite a bit today, take your time answering.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I slept like a babe and so did my children lol.

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          • makagutu says:

            You make a good teacher!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Of course; I freely admit it says what it does. How it’s written doesn’t flow with the true doctrines of the Bible though.
            The whole doctrine of going to heaven as an angel after death is bogus. It’s not a true doctrine of the Bible either.
            To me the true doctrine is better. There is something majorly wrong with this world, and I say it’s false doctrines and religious teachers, as Yahweh warns and attests to. Atheists generally blame all religion and doctrines. No one can shake the feeling of deceit; but everyone has their own ideas on what’s to blame.

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          • makagutu says:

            And I think we must give it to the atheists in all honesty, that of apportioning blame where it belongs, and that is almost if not all of the religions, have filled the world with superstition

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          • NikkiJR says:

            There is much superstition in the world. I agree. False religious doctrine is to blame. Yahweh also warns about superstition. It’s considered witchcraft.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            You’re an atheist too, Nikki, I just disbelieve in one more god than you do.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I never understood that cliche.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Do you believe in Odin? Ra? Apollo? Osiris? Mithra? Zeus? if not, you’re an atheist regarding those gods, aren’t you? Possibly you understand it a little better now.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I believe they are all demons who want to be worshipped in Yahweh’s place. Do I still qualify?

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          • makagutu says:

            How do you come to such a conclusion?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            This is a long question for when I have more time lol.

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          • makagutu says:

            I don’t think there is any true religion. To say true religion is a contradiction of terms!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Maybe I would understand better if I knew how you personally define religion.

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          • makagutu says:

            A religion refers to a set of variously organized beliefs about the relationship between natural and supernatural aspects of reality, and about the role of humans in this relationship.- that’s from Wikipedia.
            I insist there is no true one as long as they insist on supernatural entities.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            It seems there is more than one definition for religion.

            http://m.dictionary.com/definition/religion

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            ” noun
            1. belief in and worship of a God or other superhuman agency
            2. particular system of these beliefs

            Different phrasing, perhaps, but I’m not seeing a significant difference.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            How about the third that you conveniently left out?

            3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            What would be the point? Once you’ve said, “beliefs,” you’ve designated an unsubstantiated set of assumptions, what does it matter if there’s one, or a World Council of Unsubstantiated Assumptions?

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          • makagutu says:

            How does this make my definition less correct? Or rather what point are you trying to prove?

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          • makagutu says:

            Well, that might be, where is the difference with the definition I provided?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Elijah – wasn’t he the one who first introduced kerosene to the Bronze Age?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            No he had them pour water over the alter a couple of times though.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            That was a joke – I was implying it was not water, but kerosene, both clear liquids —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Oh, lol. There are so many doctrines out there that twist things. I figured it was a real teaching some where.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nope, just me, being me.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I am relieved.:-)

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Don’t be – be afraid, be VERY afraid!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Lol you are so funny. It’s hard not to enjoy your company.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            You are SO frustrating! You’re absolutely DESTROYING my reputation —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I am sure everyone here agrees with me. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Boo?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I meant to say worshipping Yahweh alone. My phone has its own mind.

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  2. archaeopteryx1 says:

    I don’t believe any of you are mean or nasty.

    Yes I am – ask anybody! Mak, wake up and back me up here! This lady’s on the verge of giving me a good reputation! Help!

    I need a URL to your blog —

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      • NikkiJR says:

        I wonder why it says that my blogs don’t exist. I have several of them…or at lease more than a few. Here is my most popular one:
        http://mylife4yah.wordpress.com/

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Ah, so you DO have a blog! I have pulled it up, it has it’s own tab, and I will read it – in fact, I will be far more likely to read yours, than you are to read mine. Just not right now, as I am about to have a bowl of my World-Famous spicy chili, and NUTHIN’ better get between me and my bowl of chili!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I have chili too!

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            So you know what I’m sayin’ —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Sure do…I like chili cause you can do so many different things with it:

            chili dogs (beef of course)
            chili fries
            chili salad (hey I need a lot of junk on my salad in order to choke it down)
            chili and corn bread…

            your imagination is the limit

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Chili and Mac & cheese = ChiliMac!
            Chili and Fritos chips = Chili-Frito pie!
            The possibilities really ARE endless!

            Look what you’re doing – you’re finding things we have in common! How can you ever expect to fear me if we both like chili?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Tomorrow night (they’re already in the CrockPot) – I KNOW you’re gonna love THIS – I’m having ham hocks and beans and cornbread! Suppose there are any demons in those ham hocks? Yum! Good demons! (But they really need a little garlic salt –)

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yikes! I dunno about demons, but pork contains worms that do not die even after you cook them. Yuck!

            Yahweh wants us to eat healthy food that eats healthy diets. Not bottom feeders that are natural garbage disposals.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yeah, well, see, that’s YOUR Yahweh – I don’t have a Yahweh and don’t want a Yahweh.

            BTW, speaking of “bottom feeders,” I also like catfish.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I used to eat catfish, but they did always have that muddy taste. Salmon is my favorite.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I suspect you have a very active imagination. I never noticed a “muddy taste,” largely because I have no idea what mud tastes like.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Neither have I? At least as an adult. But it does have a taste that I suspect is much like mud. I am a huge chicken fan. Beef is o.k. But chicken is soooooooo yummy. I hope to have my own chickens next year.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I used to have chickens, I couldn’t kill them. Wait a minute – not exactly helping my ferocious reputation, am I?

            Scratch that – I bit their heads off! I DID!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Lol. I fear the same might happen to me. I was told that this is what husbands are for. lol

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Some women have told me that they (husbands) actually have a purpose – now i know what it is.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Your so hopeful aren’t you? I peeked at your blog way before you peeked at mine. lol

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Well of COURSE you did, because I gave you my URL before you gave me yours! Time is linear. Otherwise, we would all talk like Yoda. (But if your cult – sorry, “religious organization” doesn’t allow you to attend movies, you possibly don’t even know who that is.)

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          • NikkiJR says:

            You are silly. Everything I do is done by my own convictions. I was alone knowing what I know and I yearned to know others like myself. I truly felt like EliYah did when he was in hiding. But then Yahweh led me to Yaiy.org, and I have been there since. This is my fourth year there.

            Is that from star trek? Did I spell it right?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Star Trek? Yes, except for the capitalizations, but Yoda? No, that’s from Star Wars.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Oh I get the two confused. I have seen both. Did you know that the producer is a Jew? There were hidden messages in Yoda’s teachings..

            Or at least this is a rumor that I have heard.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            A great number of people in show business are Jewish – we who are not, could take a lesson from them – they help each other – which goes far to explain their success in whichever country they settle – sadly, that very success is largely the reason they have been so persecuted.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yeah I know. I hold no ill feelings for Jews as a whole, nor christians. False religious leaders on the other hand? They will pay for their lies.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yeah, well, as you might have guessed, in my opinion, there are only two kinds of religious leaders – those who are full of it and don’t know it, and those who are, and do.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            The horrid truth is that they know the truth and reject it for money, and status. Misleading people on purpose. A preacher once admitted so to me. Yahweh says so in His word.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Even Jewish Rabbis are finally admitting that the Torah – the five books allegedly written by Moses – are untrue, not historical,and based entirely on legends. Piece by piece, religion will one day fall apart. Sweden is already 86% atheist.

            As astro-physicist Neil Degrasse Tyson once said:

            “God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, that gets smaller and smaller as time goes on.”

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yahweh warns us that they reject Him and make sure that no one else can find Him. Does it surprise me? No it fulfills yet another prophesy. Also christian false leaders do the same thing.

            Yahweh calls us even when they try to make it impossible.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            No comment – we could argue ourselves blue in the face, and still not agree on this–

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Just sharing what I know.

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          • makagutu says:

            This warning is self fulfilling for those who claim to speak for god or about god. They issue threats telling you the things you must and must not do under threat of punishment and punish those who dissent.
            There is no prophesy. Plain fraud is what it is.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            It’s not only prophesied but it’s a repeat in bible history.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            If one was to tell me this. I would have asked him why he bothers calling himself a rabbi at all? He has no scruples to go against Yahweh. Even the devil knows he is doomed.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Job security – tough times —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Ha! You don’t know how much they make apparently. Let’s put it this way; they make the same as all paid hypocrites (actors).

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Then again, I doubt if he’s “doomed” for telling the truth. You really haven’t studied anything about how the Bible was written, have you?

            For a start, Google the Documentary Hypothesis.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I study the Bible. I made a career out of it actually.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            No, no, no, no – I didn’t say anything about studying the Bible, I KNOW you’ve done that – I said, “You really haven’t studied anything about how the Bible was written.” BIG difference!

            (btw, have you any idea how many times I’ve re-heated my chili, just to keep this conversation flowing?)

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          • makagutu says:

            You guys have kept this conversation going on for so long.
            Have been away on work related travel

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Oh, Mak – thank Thor you’re back! NOW you can tell her what a mean, horrible, vicious atheist I am! Tell her how I eat babies for breakfast, on toast!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            The Bible explains how it’s written why would I need opinions from those who weren’t there?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “The Bible explains how it’s written why would I need opinions from those who weren’t there?”

            Well I hoped that because you appear to take the opinions of those who wrote the first five books, who weren’t there when the events they describe allegedly occurred, and the opinions of the anonymous authors of the four Gospels, who also weren’t there, you might be open to the opinions of biblical scholars who have studied linguistics and archeology, and can piece together what happened, even though they weren’t there – tools to which the Bible’s authors had no access.

            And it’s not accurate to say, “the Bible explains how it’s written,” because I’ve spent as much time with the Bible as you have, and nowhere within it pages, does it explain the four independent sources who each wrote parts of the Torah, at different times – the Yahwist Source, writing in 950 BCE, the Elohist Source in 850 BCE, the Deuteronomist Source, writing Deuteronomy about 725 BCE, and the Priestly Source, written in captivity in Babylon, in the 500’s BCE – not a word. Nor does it mention that the four Gospels were written completely anonymously, by authors who couldn’t possibly have been witnesses to the events they described – that isn’t in there either.

            I hope I’ve answered your question as to why you should study them, because you’re already accepting opinions from those who weren’t there.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I pulled up and briefly scanned your link, and have a lot to say about it, but it’ll have to wait, as I’m taking my grandson to a movie and dinner, but I WILL get back to you on it, on Mak’s blog here.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Aww. How cute. Children are such a blessing. No problem.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yup, that’s me – all cute and cuddly —

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I realize, Nikki, that I’m late responding to this (and I also realize that if you’re a biblical literalist, and it would appear you are, that this is your “day of rest,” so I don’t expect an immediate response from you, either), but I wanted to take time and thoroughly read the article:
            http://biblicalanswers2everydayquestions.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/who-wrote-the-bible-and-why/

            I saw nothing in it about who wrote the Bible, although that is the title of the article – did you leave something out? If you REALLY want to learn who wrote the Bible and why, I’d like to suggest you read, Wlliam G. Dever’s book, What Did the Biblical Writers Know
            and When Did They Know It?
            and Richard Elliot Friedman’s, Who Wrote the Bible? – though we both know that’s not likely to happen.

            I did, however, see a lot about prophecy. All of the so-called prophecy that one might believe they found in the first five books, ascribed to Moses, were actually written by others much more recently, after the events had already happened, much as if I were to write a book predicting the death of Kennedy, then claim it had been written in the 1930’s, and I had just “found” it, as was the Book of Deuteronomy.

            Let’s take a look at some prophecies. If you know anything about men who fish, you know that when they get together and begin sharing fishing stories, the first liar doesn’t stand a chance, because whatever lie he tells about the big one that got away, the next man is going to add a good ten pounds to his own story, and so on.

            So it would appear with Gospel writers. The Gospel of Mark was the first of the anonymous Gospels written, and whoever the author was, who later came to be called “Mark,” doesn’t say a word about the virgin birth of Yeshua – in fact, he knows nothing about the childhood of Yeshua, and doesn’t bother trying to convince us he does, he goes straight to Yeshua’s encounter with John, the locust-eating baptist.

            But then comes Matthew, the next anonymous author to write a Gospel, and he knows a lot about it. Matt goes back to the ancient prophesies, to Isiah, and fleshes the story out, to make it appear as though the prophecies regarding the coming of a Jewish Messiah, were fulfilled by the arrival of Yeshuah. He reminds us that the Messiah will come from the line of David, the first really strong Jewish king, and takes us all the way back to Abraham, showing us that there were 14 generations between Abe and King David, and 14 more between Dave and Yeshua. But so what? That fulfills nothing, because if Yeshua was really fathered by the Holy Spook, what difference does it make that Joseph is descended from David, because Joe wasn’t his Dad!

            Then psuedo-Matthew goes on to further demonstrate how prophecy was fulfilled, by claiming that little Mary, who was likely fourteen, was a virgin – 1:-23Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,” “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son….”

            Of course, he’s referring back to Isiah 7:14, and just when you think old Isiah really nailed it, some know-it-all egghead, who just happens to know both Greek and ancient Hebrew, pops up and says, “Wait a cotton-pickin’ minute here, y’all – that’s not what Isiah said at all!” He said an “almah,” meaning in Hebrew, “a young girl” – see, when the 72 translators gathered on the coast of Egypt, to translate the Hebrew Bible for the Ptolemies, known as the Tanakh, into the Greek Septuagint, they mistranslated it into Greek, as “virgin,” and psuedo-Matthew, having obviously not read the Tanakh, took the Greek version at face value and invented a story about his god impregnating an untouched little girl. I know where they’d put me, if I did that today – I’d have a new romantic interest, named, “Bubba”!

            Now psuedo-Matthew copied much of his words directly from the Gospel of psuedo-Mark, even to the extent of copying some parts of “Mark” word for word, but when it came to bending the facts to fit the ancient prophecies, Matt beats Mark, hands down. He has Yeahua born in Bethlehem – once again, in an effort to fulfill Isiah’s prophecies – Matthew, 2:5-6 – “And they said to him, in Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet. ‘And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda,, art not the least out of the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a governor, that shall rule my people Israel.'” – no mention of a Son, just a Governor.

            Again, psuedo-Mark makes no mention of a road trip to Egypt, but psuedo-Matt does, (2:15) “…that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.”

            Even the part about Herod murdering all of the children of Bethlehem, was a total fabrication, intent on making it appear as though the prophecies were coming true: (2:17-18) “Then was it fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping,and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they were not.” Yet another quotation taken out of context, as the “prophetic” words were actually written as a condemnation of the Canaanite practice, in the worship of the god Moloch that had begun to creep into the Hebrew culture, that involved throwing children into the fire as sacrifices, and had nothing to do with murdered children in Bethlehem. In fact, psuedo-Matthew further compounds his lie, because under Roman rule, the Hebrews were not allowed to put ANYone to death, which is why – according to the NT – Yeshua had to be sent to Pilot for the actual death sentence, as neither Herod nor the Sanhedrin had any such authority.

            You see, Nikki – this is why it’s important to learn about things outSIDE the Bible, as well as the Bible.

            Now psuedo-Luke also copied psuedo-Mark, though not word-for-word, as psuedo-Matthew did, but psuedo-Luke GREATLY enlarged the story! (Remember what I said, about the first liar not having a chance?) He gives us a background story on John, the Baptist, found nowhere else in the Bible – this is important to Luke, because he will use John, later in the story, to tell us how great Yeshuah is – the world’s first celebrity endorsement. While reading psuedo-Matthew, psuedo-Luke may well have found himself wondering why the Holy family would have any reason to go the Bethlehem, if everyone said they were from Nazareth – he clearly couldn’t think of any, so he made up one – they had to go there for the census! First of all, the Romans were excellent record keepers – there are still shipping documents left over from Roman times, showing exactly what various ships carried, yet there is no evidence whatsoever, that Rome ever ordered a census to be taken, and for Jewish men to travel to the birthplace of one of their distant ancestors, fourteen generations removed! Further, Roman occupation of any country only worked for Rome if the country was forced to pay tribute to Rome – the government of any of the Roman-occupied countries raised their tribute through taxing the citizens, based on their income. What government, in its right mind, would force all of the able-bodied men to stop working, close up their shops, quit their businesses, whether plumbers, electricians, or carpenters, and go traipsing off into the desert for days, if not weeks, to register for some census, when it would be far simpler, and more economical for the country, to send census takers out to each village? Psuedo-Luke greatly embellished all of the prophetic references found in the Gospel of psuedo-Matthew.

            Psuedo-James, on the other hand, is refreshingly honest, and doesn’t try to tell you any prequel stories at all

            At any rate, Nikki, it’s easy to make a biblical prophecy appear to come true, if you write fiction with that purpose in mind, and then wrap it around the prophecy, as these “inerrant” gentlemen did.

            Sorry, Mak – didn’t mean to write a book, but when I get started —

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          • makagutu says:

            You need not apologise Arch and you know that by now!

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yes, i do – it makes me look humble – it’s good for my image —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yesterday was my day of rest lol. Today I had things to do. Thanks for the consideration. I will have to go for now. Phone call. Chat later!

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I’m sorry you couldn’t have watched “COSMOS,” you could have learned things about the world that now you will never know.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            The ironic thing here is that atheist think I am silly for believing the testimony from men from the past; while they believe the testimony of men in the present.
            Either way you have to believe someone.

            Ever notice that?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            The men in the present use verifiable evidence – the men in the past, imagination.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Are men today able to time travel?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Why yes, and women too – we move into the future, a second at a time. And while we can’t TRAVEL back in time, we can look back in time by aiming a telescope into space, and see light that left other stars millions and billions of years ago. And by carefully investigating archaeological sites, or fossils of ancient plants and animals, we can also glimpse into the past.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            This is assuming that the methods use are accurate. I do not believe they are. Just like trying to explain the thoughts of animals by their behavior; it’s all theory.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “It’s all theory” that TELESCOPES work?!! Maybe you ARE the proof that time-travel is possible – what century do you live in, anyway? Because I’m stuck up here in the 21st, where telescopes have actually been PROVEN to work —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Now you just wanna argue. I have used telescopes. I have even taught my daughter about telescopes in science this school year. You know the scientific method can prove the Bible true.

            Ask a question:
            Why is the world the way it is?
            Read the Bible to find the answers it provides.
            Apply instruction to ones life.
            Compare the results with the Bible’s claims.

            Wala! You have your proof.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Better yet – ask yourself why all of the galaxies are moving apart from each other, and what effect would it have if they changed and moved in the opposite direction?

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahaha! As long as they contradict the bible, they don’t work

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          • makagutu says:

            if you must believe in someone, make that someone yourself.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Atheists claim to have no religion and they answer to no higher power. Yet; they do have a belief system that they adopted from other men. So to say that you don’t have a religion is false because you’re belief has a leader, the one who came up with the theories you hold as fact, and it has followers. Who follow this theory in complete unquestioned trust.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            The ones who came up with the theories I hold as fact, have evidence to back up their claims. As for your religion, archaeologists and biblical scholars are uncovering more and more evidence as time goes by, that many, if not most of the events described in the Bible simply never happened.

            Take a look with me, Nikki, at one of the claims in the Bible – the claim (I believe it’s in Joshua but you would know better than I where to find it) that because god made the sun stand still, the day was thereby lengthened, so that the Israelites would have time to win a particular battle. Can you not see, that this was written by someone who believed that the sun revolved around the earth, and thus, by holding it in place, the day could be lengthened? If a real “supreme being” inspired this, wouldn’t he have insisted on facts? The only way the day could actually be lengthened, would have been if the earth – not the sun – stood still for those extra hours. The earth is spinning at 1000 miles per hour – have you any idea what would have happened if it suddenly stopped? The same thing that happens when a car suddenly stops, everything in it is thrown forward at the same speed the car was originally traveling. Everything on the earth, not nailed down, would keep on revolving at 1000 mph, until it finally ran out of energy and crashed, and that includes all of the oceans. And yet you truly believe, by your own blog, that the Bronze Age information in the Bible is totally inerrant. Do you really wonder why we laugh at that?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            You reason with man’s reasoning. Assuming that man is correct in all his claims. Nothing is impossible for Yahweh.

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          • makagutu says:

            I know of no other reasoning other than human. I haven’t encountered anything else that reasons

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          • makagutu says:

            Name who these are.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Ok I am back. My whole point is that the men who wrote the Bible from genesis to revelation are what Yahweh calls prophets. I go into explaining why prophets were used and their purpose.
            I accept Yahweh’s word as truth. By doing so I accept that Adam lived so long and through Him the world was taught about Yahweh. Adam is the very first prophet of Yahweh. I accept Seth His second righteous son lived so long and he taught the world about Yahweh during his time. I accept Noah lived so long and taught the world, (his family) about Yahweh in His entire lifetime. I accept that Abram lived as long as he did and he taught his family about Yahweh…etc.

            This is how the testimonies were kept alive from generation to generation. Until Yahweh revealed Himself through Moses to the generations of Abraham through the man Israel 400 or so years later. Then they had the ten commandments, and the book of law. Later to have the writings of the prophets…

            Now do you understand why I wrote this the way I did? Who wrote the Bible? Chosen prophets of Yahweh. What’s a prophet and why are they needed? I cover this in my blog.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            You may know what’s IN the Bible, that produced it. You seem too intelligent to live your life that way.

            Hitting the hay now, but will be back tomorrow.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Actually I am of average intelligence. All wisdom I hold is given to me from Yahweh’s testimonies.

            Yeah me too…*yawn*. Spring cleaning this week deleavening my home for Passover and then feast of uunleavened bread.

            That is where the tradition of spring cleaning came from after all… 😉

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Night all!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I noticed you read the bible on your blog? Could you send me the link for genesis one? I couldn’t find it. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I sent you a link to the first page – read it like a book, and you will eventually get to Gen 1, which, by the way, was written in Babylon, diring the Babylonian Captivity, in the 500’s BCE, intended to entirely replace the earlier version, now Gen 2. The group who wrote Gen 1 felt that Gen 2 presented a god who was too familiar with people – his creations – by popping down to earth for walks “in the cool of the day,” when the celestial AC went out (how are you gonna find an AC repairman, when they’re all in Hell?), and sewing clothes for Adam and Eve on the celestial Singer, so they tried to replace him with a more distant god, who stayed above all petty Human endeavor. However the Redactor, who pieced the four sources of the Torah together in 400 BCE, didn’t want to take any chances on incurring anybody’s wrath, and so, included both versions – thus, we have Gen 1 and Gen, which contradict each other.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I apologize but I didn’t get the link. Where did you send it to?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki – in my reply to the email you sent, No problem, I’ll just give it to you here, I’m sure Mak won’t mind:
            http://in-his-own-image.com/2010/01/24/-in-his-own-image-.aspx

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Oh. I didn’t check my email. :-). Thanks.

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          • makagutu says:

            No, you know I don’t

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Going to sleep night.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Sleep well —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I did thanks! I get the best rest on the day of rest… 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yeah, that’s right, you Theists get a day off – no rest for the wicked, right?

            Ever wonder why an all-powerful god would need to rest? Probably not —

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Actually He ceased from work, and made the day Holy. Which means set apart. He did so for man. We cease from work and adding praise, and spacious our favorite topic: Yahweh. It’s a time of meeting to show Yahweh our live and gratitude for giving us a day of rest.

            People do usually work themselves to into a frenzy. As a mother I am grateful for this day.

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          • makagutu says:

            Are you suggesting if god didn’t rest from willing, we wouldn’t rest?
            You give these imaginary beings too much credit!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            No Yahweh ceased from work. He was done. He enjoyed the work of His hands the seventh day, and He set it apart for us to as well. Even the animals get to enjoy this day of rest.

            If it were left up to man they would over work everything. Of wait they do anyways!

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          • makagutu says:

            He wasn’t working in any sense of the word. The good book says he said/ willed and there was. How is that work from which to rest?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Creating things is work. It takes effort therefore it is work.

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          • makagutu says:

            The good book says

            And God said,

            and if your translation says something different please share it.

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          • makagutu says:

            Why is this is so?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Because if they don’t claim.the text they should call themselves something else. They should stop pretending.

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          • makagutu says:

            This is comical. Is their a true religion?

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          • NikkiJR says:

            They were chosen to lead the world to Yahweh and share His plan and government that would save everyone’s souls and end suffer as we know it.

            Yahweh’s teachings are true. Their religion they practice when they forsake Him no.

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          • makagutu says:

            Interesting!
            Yahweh’s teachings are true because you say they are or because the book says so? How is that for circular arguments?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            From chapter six of Douglas Adams’ The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy:
            “‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, ‘for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’

            “‘But’ says Man,’the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’

            “‘Oh dear,’ says God, ‘I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. “

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          • makagutu says:

            One wonders why with all the omni powers god believers claim for their deities, they can’t ask them this one question, why their god thinks faith is necessary!

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            One of the Gospels – and I have no desire to look it up at moment – quotes Yeshua as saying that those who see and believe are less blessed than those who don’t see and still believe. Also, scattered about the Bible are admonishments that too much knowledge or wisdom is a dangerous thing. It would seem then, that ignorance and blind faith are virtues to be highly prized, not so much by gods, as by the leaders of the people, who put those words in their god’s mouths.

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          • makagutu says:

            Oh yes, Paul, the fellow Christians believe was a great apostle advised the sheep not to worry about knowledge as long as they had faith. Faith then, to the believer, is the greatest of the virtues!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            http://www.yaiy.org/literature/WhatChristianity.html

            This is what many (way more people than myself), who read the Bible for themselves find. Because after reading the Bible we question everything that we know and are taught today. We find that all the claims of the Bible are prices by various sources.

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          • makagutu says:

            Good for you.
            There are many, and you must have heard them who read about cosmology and still insist the earth is flat and the sun goes round it.
            If you understand what confirmation bias is, you would know why many of you read the bible and hear a deity speak to them

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          • NikkiJR says:

            I am answering the post about the E word. So you know I am not ignoring you. I try not to say it, but its a holiday coming up.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            You lost me, what E word, what holiday?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            OH! The annual celebration of the return of Spring, when life in the Northern Hemisphere is renewed! Yeah, I’m quite familiar with it. It has always been a great holiday, even after religion hi-hacked it. But we got ’em back, we invented the Easter Bunny!

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Actually I celebrate Passover during this time. It’s a memorial of what Yahweh did for His chosen people in Egypt, and through His Son. Yahweh’s new year is in spring.

            I am afraid atheists didn’t invent the easter bunny at all. It dates back to pagan rituals of human baby sacrifices and blood dipped eggs for fertility. Even the name came from the fallen demon that is worshiped in this way. That is why I wasn’t trying to type it.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Actually, there is no evidence that the Israelis were ever in Egypt, which of course discounts the story of the Passover, and everyone knows there’s no evidence for the Exodus.

            As for Easter, I’m not sure where your information comes from, but Christianity – and by that, I mean the missionary monks – did everything they could to replace normal, fold holidays with Christian ones. A prime example of that, is placing the birth of Yeshua at the normal celebration time of the Winter Solstice, the return to the Northern Hemisphere, of the sun – and everybody who knows anything about agriculture, knows there are not going to be any sheep out grazing the hillsides of Palestine in late December and certainly no shepherds in their right minds, to watch over them.

            As for Easter, according to the venerable Bede, the word comes from Ēastre, a spring goddess – sorry, no bloody eggs, though I must admit, that does sound tasty.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            http://biblicalanswers2everydayquestions.wordpress.com/

            Here is another blog of mine. If your interested. I am always open for questions to answer on it.

            This next link explains my sources about the dreaded, E , word.

            http://www.yaiy.org/literature/CounterfeitEaster.html

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Nikki —
            You gave me this – http://biblicalanswers2everydayquestions.wordpress.com/ – after I had written this:
            “Actually, there is no evidence that the Israelis were ever in Egypt, which of course discounts the story of the Passover, and everyone knows there’s no evidence for the Exodus.”

            So I visited the link you suggested, expecting to find evidence of Israelis in Egypt, and found no mention of Egypt. I was disappointed.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            This blog is usually done by inspiration. When I feel inspired to cover a topic. I do.
            My whole point in writing those blogs, with believers in mind, is to encourage them to read the Bible for themselves. With strong discouragement from false leaders to do so. I mainly focus on encouraging them to do so by what I have found.
            Most believers who read the word for enlightenment get the same understanding that I have. We aren’t lead to one another until Yahweh believes we are ready. It’s a process. If I were to write a piece on Egypt: it would be how the children of Israel being in Egypt fulfilled the prophecy that Yahweh told Abraham 400 years before.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            “If I were to write a piece on Egypt: it would be how the children of Israel being in Egypt fulfilled the prophecy that Yahweh told Abraham 400 years before.”

            I repeat – there is no evidence that the Israelis were ever in Egypt, nor that they ever left in an “Exodus.” If you have any, I would love to see it.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Have you looked for proof?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Yes, so have some noted archaeologists and biblical scholars.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Hmm…. I will come back to this. On break.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            In the same comment, you sent me this link: – http://www.yaiy.org/literature/CounterfeitEaster.html – where I found these two statements:

            “Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary has this to say: ‘Easter was originally a pagan festival honoring Eostre, a Teutonic (Germanic) goddess of light and spring. At the time of the vernal equinox (the day in the spring when the sun crosses the equator and day and night are of equal length), sacrifices were offered in her honor. As early as the eighth century the name was used to designate the annual Christian celebration of the resurrection of Chr-st'”

            “(The first Christian Missionaries in England shrewdly combined their celebration of the Resurrection with the older, pagan festival.)” (p. 55).”

            We’ve been saying for years, that Christian missionaries hi-jacked the holidays of the people they visited, and attached their own, Christian attributes to them, such as claiming that Yeshua was born on December 25th in a climate in which you wouldn’t POSSIBLY find shepherds in the middle of December.

            In the link you offered, I have finally found proof of it, for which i should thank you, I admit I was surprised to see that the author actually seems PROUD of it having been done., saying that they “shrewdly combined” the two holidays. Personally, I find that kind of deceptive behavior despicable, and certainly un-Christian.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            It all goes back to the corruption of the church. Constantine absorbed these practices into the faith, and because of him the church has been corrupted since.

            Weren’t Romans known for absorbing counties and practices and mingling their own with it? The first Roman Catholic church is no different.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            It was in the 800’s CE when Christian missionaries hi-jacked the Winter Solstice and Spring Equinox celebrations, long after Rome had fallen.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            You better get to bed! Lol

            I will list my resources when I can. I better get to bed!!!

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          • makagutu says:

            And Christians have been worshiping fertility and sun gods since.

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          • NikkiJR says:

            Yes, false religious leaders have replaced Yahweh’s true doctrine with the doctrines of demons. Yahweh tells us this Himself. The apostles and Messiah warned us as well.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        I thought you mentioned earlier, having a blog – you don’t? If not, sorry about that.

        NO, I’m not sorry about that! Us nasty, baby-eating atheists are never sorry about ANYthing. Sorry I said sorry.

        I said, “sorry” again, didn’t I?

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    • makagutu says:

      Hahahahah!
      You know I forgot about that part where you eat little theist children.
      Or did we become less nasty!

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        “And Christians have been worshiping fertility and sun gods since.”

        Did you know, Mak, that everytime a theist says, “Amen,” they are actually referencing the Egyptian god, “Amen,” (aka, Amen-Ra, or Amun-Ra, as in the boy Pharaoh’s name, Tutankhamen)? I’ve always found that bit of irony amusing. Pity, few ever really study the origins of their own religion – “The book is all I need! Don’t know where it came from, don’t know who wrote it or why, but it says I’m gonna live forever, and that’s all I need to know!”

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          And the REALLY funny part is, that if any of those theists ever actually MET any of the men who wrote the Bible, not a single one of them would even remotely consider buying a used car from any of them!

          “My mouth to Yahweh’s ear, I am telling you the truth! It was only driven by a little old prophet from Pasadena, on Saturday, to his Synagogue and back – the rest of the week, he took the camel!”

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        • makagutu says:

          The book says god dictated it and that is all I care to know

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  3. archaeopteryx1 says:

    For those Young Earth Creationists (and they know who they are), Who believe the entire universe was created only 6,000 years ago, here’s a story of the Eshtaol Excavation, near Israel’s Highway 38, where the Israel Antiquities Authority has uncovered artifacts spanning thousands of years of ancient history, including the remains of house from the eighth millennium BCE, leaving one to wonder who built this stone house 2,000 years before the universe was created?

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  4. archaeopteryx1 says:

    THE BARQUE OF THE COVENANT
    or, Raiders of the Lost Barque

    I mentioned earlier that when adherents of Judaism or Christianity say, “Amen,” they believe they are saying, “so be it,” whereas in actuality, they are seeking the blessing or permission of the Egyptian god, Amen (or Amun) for their wish to come true.

    Our first thought, when we hear the word, “ark,” is of the fictitious boat built by the fictitious “Noah,” to escape the fictitious flood that was plagiarized from the more ancient work of fiction, “The Epic of Gilgamesh,” inspired by a real Mesopotamian flood in 2900 BCE, when the Euphrates overflowed its banks and washed over an area about the equivalent of three counties.

    But our second thought must surely be of the famous Ark of the Covenant, designed by Yahweh and built by Moses and his elves, in which were allegedly stored the second set of the Ten Recommendations. So we must assume that there are two definitions for the word, “ark” – but ARE there –? (ominous chord “da-dum”!)

    Consider, if you will, “The Beautiful Feast of Opet,” an Ancient Egyptian festival, celebrated annually in Thebes, during the New Kingdom period.

    The New Kingdom period in ancient Egyptian history fell between the 16th century BCE and the 11th century BCE, covering the Eighteenth, Nineteenth, and Twentieth Dynasties of Egypt. Radiocarbon dating places the exact beginning of the New Kingdom between 1570–1544 BCE – the whole, covering also, the time ascribed to Moses. The later part of this period, under the Nineteenth and Twentieth Dynasties (1292–1069 BC) is also known as the Rameside period, after the eleven pharaohs that took the name of Rameses.

    During The Beautiful Feast of Opet, the statues of the gods of the Theban Triad — Amun (their chief god d’jour, aka Amen), Mut (his lady-love – with a name like that, you can imagine what SHE must have looked like!), and their child Khonsu, though hidden from sight in a sacred barque, were escorted in a joyous procession from the temple of Amun in Karnak, to the temple of Luxor, a journey of around 2 miles, in a marital celebration.

    Now a barque is a boat – in this case, a model boat (left side of image), carried by means of poles, on the shoulders of bearers, who walked the two miles, leading the procession.

    In earlier celebrations of the Opet Festival, the statues of the gods proceeded down the avenue of sphinxes that connect the two temples, stopping at specially constructed chapels en route. These chapels would have been filled with offerings, providing for the gods themselves and the attending priests (It’s good to be a priest!). At the end of the ceremonies in the Luxor Temple, the barques journeyed back by boat to Karnak.

    The Ark of the Covenant was described as a wooden box, covered in hammered gold leaf, and carried by means of two poles inserted into rings on the box and resting on the shoulders of bearers. Perhaps there isn’t as much difference between the two Arks as we originally thought —

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    • makagutu says:

      Now this is quite interesting. So the ark of the covenant could also have been older tradition?

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        Yup, borrowed from Egypt. After the Egyptians eventually threw out the invading Hyksos, they increased their forts and troop stations further into the Levant, so as to ward off any future ambitions to attack Egypt, and as they did so, doubtless, stories of their customs spread to the residents of that area, which would have included the Israelites.

        One of the reasons Egypt didn’t occupy the entire Levant, which they could have done militarily, was their belief that in order to achieve immortality, the bodies of their dead had to be buried on Egyptian soul.

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        • makagutu says:

          With all this copying and not acknowledging the Egyptians, the Sumerians and all others to whom they borrowed heavily from, I wonder what will be left at the end to be original apart from religious intolerance.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            There’s actually a little bit of Jewish history in there, especially some of the parts about the various kings, but even that is greatly exaggerated:

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            As you may note, just after the first hour of the video, the religious cult of Yahweh (and his wife, Asherah) isn’t even introduced to the Jews until the 8th century (700+) BCE, and then more as a political move than a religious one, to unite the people into a strong nation, to make them more invincible to their enemies. Prior to that, they believed in all kinds of gods.

            Understand now, that Finklestein is working for the Israeli Department of Antiquities, which, of all organizations, would have reason to fudge the data and make it look as though the Bible were true, but unlike Christian apologetics, he doesn’t do that.

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          • makagutu says:

            That has been a nice video! Somewhere in the books am yet to read is Finklestein’s The Bible unearthed.

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  5. gpicone says:

    Did God have sex with that woman? If not then Mary was at best an incubator but why God needed to live as a fetus for 9 months is beyond me. Anyway if she was really involved in the birth of Jesus, ie:her egg was fertilized then Jesus is Jewish and so should we all be unless of course Paul is God or God’s true messenger but Paul was Saul so go figure. However, How a male God claims paternity over a male child who is also he, without a woman involved, except to “carry” the unborn child is definitely indicative of a man’s way of looking at life and power and all things controlled by men… without giving even the time of day to women. That’s why I believe all of these Christian stories are at best, just a bunch of male BS.

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