There is ample proof that god does exist. Really?


I seek your indulgence dear readers to use cuss words and insults in this post. You will know why in a short while.

Before we get there, I must ask, what do newspaper editors look for in articles before they can approve them to be printed. How can a media house that claims to have a reputation allow such a poorly argued article that will be the subject of this post to be printed? No wonder Nietzsche didn’t have anything good to say about them[editors and newspapers mainly] over a century ago!

My second apology is that this post maybe long. Every paragraph in the OP is loaded with a fallacy and it is only fair that we point out where. Thank you for your indulgence.

He starts by telling us

The existence of God is a fact that cannot be refuted. Having no reason to believe that God exists does not mean He does not.

which unfortunately is tautology. There is no argument here. Were the existence of god, whatever that is, a fact, we would not be having this debate. In the same vain, to claim that god is does not make it so.

To tell us

It is a matter of one choosing to seek in order to find Him

convinces me to believe this fellow has abandoned reason. Why would we have to seek something that was self evident? A being we are told is omni whatever would have no difficulty in having their way. The argument about belief being a choice to me displays an ignorance of the fact that we believe to the extent we are convicted and no more.

A person whose entire post reeks of fallacy after fallacy should be ashamed to write

One cannot base an argument on a fallacy and still try to prove an assumption like what atheists today are doing.

Someone tell me, the editor who authorized this piece, does he know anything about logical fallacies or was he awed by use of the word fallacy? This is irresponsible. What assumptions are atheists trying to prove?

You can tell a person is obtuse by what comes from the tips of their pens and it is evident in this case. He writes

History, nature and the conscience prove this irrefutable and immutable fact that God exists, contrary to what was alleged last month by Mr Harrison Mumia, president of atheists in Kenya.

Nature,whatever you understand it to be, my friend, is indifferent and as far as we can tell acts on its own without any divine agency. History does not provide proof of god but that men have talked about gods. Unless, the assertion here is that because men have maimed and killed each other to decide issues of gods, a god must surely exist.And if conscience is proof of god, those who for all practical purposes lack a conscience are evidence that god does not exist.

At this point

Better still, there is evidence showing miracle healing where medical science has failed to cure. 

we must all agree that this person ceased to be reasonable or intelligent. Granting for a minute there is miracle healing, what good is it to us if only one person is healed if all could be healed magically? In fact the bigger question would be what end does their sickness serve if they are to be magically healed? Is it to serve the caprice of a cruel god?

We are told, with a straight face that

Archaeological evidence has also proven the existence of God.

BWAHAHAHAHA! We, until this moment were unaware that god had fossilized and became a subject of archaeological digs. Now where is the god site? Has it been declared a World Heritage Site under the protection of the UN and where are the bones kept? 

Liars for Christ will go to whatever length to claim anyone as their own. And Einstein in this case has been chosen to be defamed. He tells us

I paraphrase the greatest scientist of all time, Albert Einstein, who said: “The more one seeks evidence against God, the more one sees the proof that He really exists.”

a person he would have been dissuaded to rally for support had he carried a brief internet search, he would find such from Einstein’s pen

The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance and even our very existence depend on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to life. To make this a living force and bring it to clear consciousness is perhaps the foremost task of education. The foundation of morality should not be made dependent on myth nor tied to any authority lest doubt about the myth or about the legitimacy of the authority imperil the foundation of sound judgment and action

or

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms

or

My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment

and finally

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

The study of nature has been the death of gods. To claim

Looking at the handiwork, incredible design and finesse of the universe, we can behold the awe and wonder of its designer since there can never be design without a designer.

is to betray a serious ignorance of any cosmology nor counter arguments to the argument from design and fine tuning. That even if we granted a designer, you could not, without special pleading arrive at a personal god. The argument also fails in the sense that all around us we see designs getting improved and products are not the handiwork of just one individual and as such we can infer that human beings are a final product of many workmen and there were several attempts that were discarded. Earthquakes or worms that eat the hosts eye are proof of how malevolent the designer is.

I am unable to make sense of

Besides, despite knowledge in science and anthropology, human beings can only predict what follows what in terms of the seasons and the weather patterns. Scientists can only use what is provided by the natural design to their advantage.

or how it leads to

In this regard, therefore, we can argue that scientists discover what is provided for by nature in order to invent things for their comfort, convenience and advantage. Thus, without a designer, there could be no invention.

And while we agree that

The world is too large, too deep and wide

I don’t think scientists have been making bets on the existence of a deity. All atheists and have asked for is to be told what this god is and evidence for it.

However to say

They have only managed to explore a few patches with their limited resources and imperfect common sense.

is to undermine human effort in its attempt to understand nature, wrest her powers and where possible tame it for her own use. Our common sense maybe imperfect in the sense they do not have the power to discriminate but they aren’t the faculty concerned with knowledge or understanding and I was hoping that even this small bit would not be lost on this apologist.

I have said often that ignorance is a bad thing, worse is claiming to know something you don’t. This fellow is also a poor student of history and that explains why he writes

Ever since the Holocaust, the Jews have been under attack by mean-spirited people with wayward ideologies.

for he would have known that Christians have vilified the Jews for as long as we can care to write that some of the icons of Christianity sowed the seeds that would result in the senseless murder,( is there a murder that isn’t senseless) of the Jews by the Nazis.

To tell us

Ever since the existence of man, humans have had a feeling of duty and obligation to be good to themselves and other people. This is put in mankind by the source of all creation, God.

is proof again that this person hasn’t read anything on morality beyond his bible. The age old question asked by Socrates remains to be decisively answered. The apologist must answer us this question

Is something pious because god says it is or god says it is pious because it is?

You would think that a person responding to atheists would know his bible just slightly more. Why would he write

I would like to assume that the inconsistencies Mumia is talking about are those found in the four gospels. If my guess is right, then there is a great difference between an inconsistency and a difference.

to betray his ignorance of the bible that he purports to believe? If he has read his OT can he answer us how many pairs of animals went to the ark or for what reason god created man? And while at it, I would be glad to know what he means by a difference in regards to contradictory bible passages.

And this claim here

The Bible is still the most widely read, most consistent and coherent book the world over. This is an act of the supernatural being.

is itself evidence that either this person has not read the bible or the word consistent and coherent mean something different in christian speak.

And his closing paragraph is not far from Paul’s disdain for those who sought knowledge. This author writes

Whatever is initiated by man is short-lived and erroneous. That is why one sees theses and philosophies being challenged by scholars over time.

a line similar to

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God[1 Cor 3:19]

I rest my case. I propose that this fellow should not be allowed to write anything for public consumption and that he should be made to read his bible maybe, and am not holding my breath, he could learn something from it.

There is ample proof for god.

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About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

41 thoughts on “There is ample proof that god does exist. Really?

  1. “Christianity sowed the seeds that would result in the senseless murder,( is there a murder that isn’t senseless) of the Jews by the Nazis.” Just read the rantings of Martin Luther on Jews if anyone needs evidence of the hate held by Christians for Jews in Europe during Luther’s time. Oh. Wait. Maybe their hate was justified because it was a well known fact of the day( among Christians at least) that Jews poisoned the wells of Christian homes and killed Christian babies. They even ate some. Christianity and hate are long-time bed mates. The two have been fornicating with each other since Constantine melded the sword with the cross. Great post Mak. Thanks for writing it my friend.

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    • makagutu says:

      Yes, there has been a long debate on of the blogs I frequent on the Martin Luther question and Antisemitism. The ignorance displayed by these liars for god is baffling. And yes Christianity and hate have been bed mates. They feed each other.
      Thanks for reading.

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      • Here’s a Wiki link describing Luther’s book on Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
        The title simply does not do justice to the hate within it. I’ve read it. It is disgusting. No apologist can equivocate what’s in it into a positive. There is ample proof of Christians hating people and groups of people. There is no evidence their or anyone’s god exists but in their minds. And if Luther’s god does exist, he is an agent of hate, evil, and ugliness, not goodness.

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  2. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Excellent refute, my friend! Amazing how the theists always cite the “look around you” argument to defend as proof their beliefs yet cannot cite one concrete shred of evidence for such. In the same vein, all those who disagree with them are condemned without any refutation for believing differently.

    I can’t address the editorial issue. All that I can offer is that they, too, are human and make idiotic judgments.

    Have a terrific weekend, my Nairobi brother! Be safe!

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  3. pinkagendist says:

    We need to improve our marketing strategy. Let’s start calling him the Christian God of Syphilis and see how many people want to join that religion 😀

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  4. “It is a matter of one choosing to seek in order to find Him”

    This bit of silliness is one of the most annoying of TrueChristian claims. I was a Christian and then when losing my faith, still prayed and sought this god. I read the bible too, looking for words from the “horse’s mouth” as it were. As always, nothing happened. . So, we have all you are “supposed” to do still failing to find any evidence of this god. This god, for all of its followers claims of it willing to do anything to find the “lost sheep”, does nothing. Why can’t this “lost sheep” get the evidence that Thomas got?

    Let the excuses commence. I do wonder, will we get the claim that I was doing something “wrong”? Will the theist making such a claim give us the magic formula to do it “right”? And then when that fails, what will then be claimed?

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  5. Sonel says:

    Well said Mak and what I did notice is that he is doing what all of them always do – they quote others or words from the Bible just to suit themselves. He even quoted Einstein but according to Wiki, Einstein was not religious at all. Einstein used many labels to describe his religious views, including “agnostic”, “religious nonbeliever” and a “pantheistic” believer in “Spinoza’s God.” Einstein expressed his skepticism regarding an anthropomorphic deity, often describing it as “naïve” and “childlike”. He stated, “It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems.” In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, “The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.”

    Now this : It was recently revealed that, toward the end of his life, Albert Einstein wrote a letter in which he dismissed belief in God as superstitious and characterized the stories in the Bible as childish.
    http://www.strangenotions.com/einstein-god/

    My point : It doesn’t matter what any of them say and how much they would like to ‘prove’ that ‘God’ exists – we all will believe what we want to believe and it just goes to show how most of them can lie and make up facts and expect everyone to believe what they say. It was humans that wrote the stories in the Bible. Humans are writing the articles in Wikipedia and humans are writing literature and history. Some are true – some are not. Will we ever know? I only believe what I feel in my heart is right, not because someone told me that it IS so and that I HAVE to believe it. All I know is when someone starts with “Jesus is your Saviour and only Jesus can save you” I feel I can smack that person into another blood group. If there was a ‘God’, how do you think “He” would feel about all these people that makes ‘Jesus’ out to be the new “God”? I don’t get that, but in any case, nothing they say do make any sense and that is why I don’t believe them. I’d rather go and read Stephen King or Dean R. Koontz stories or watch Stargate and believe in aliens and that there might be ways to travel to other planets. 😀

    Great share my friend. Have a great weekend. 😀 ♥ Hugs ♥

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  6. john zande says:

    Jesus, that’s a carnival ride of utter nonsense!

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  7. Ruth says:

    Hey, where’s all the cussing and insults? 🙂

    If chosen assumptions are facts we’re in double trouble!

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    • makagutu says:

      I decided to be nice and forgot to erase that part.

      Those facts are in need of explanation

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      • Ruth says:

        I’ve done that before. When I started typing I was so incensed I was about to explode and then calmed down. 😀

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        • makagutu says:

          How is your weekend coming along?
          I think his piece was so bad that bit would be unjust to call him names but ar least we can correct his errors. I could send him my response by mail but I don’t think I have the time and energy to engage blockheads

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          • Ruth says:

            My weekend’s been great, Mak! How’s yours?

            Yeah, it would probably be a waste of your time and energy to email or mail him anything. He probably wouldn’t take any of you points into serious consideration anyway.

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          • makagutu says:

            I had a great weekend. Can’t complain a bit.

            Have a pleasant week good friend

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  8. Arkenaten says:

    My favorite comment on the link was this…..

    em>What other proof do we need.For instance the system of a human being is so perfect proving that there is God His almighty Alfa and Omega.

    I actually drive an Alfa T-spark and although I sometimes invoke a ‘deity’ – ‘Jesus Christ…how much!’ when I have to pay for spares,servicing or fill the tank I can’t state categorically that it was designed by any sort of god. Maybe a ‘goddamn Italian’, but as far as I will venture.

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    • makagutu says:

      Some of the comments on that link will leave with a headache. It is like the author only takes a break to exchange the shoes in their mouths.

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  9. foolsmusings says:

    It’s amazing what passes for an argument about the existence of a god.

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  10. Ron says:

    Ugh! And Mr. Kibe bills himself as a motivational speaker and researcher. I was immediately reminded of Christopher Hitchens’ response to Sean Hannity:

    “You give me the awful impression of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against your position, ever.”

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  11. shelldigger says:

    Nice smackdown Mak. Great post.

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