A man can dream

Socrates.— If all goes well, the time will come when one will take up the memorabilia of Socrates rather than the Bible as a guide to morals and reason… The pathways of the most various philosophical modes of life lead back to him… Socrates excels the founder of Christianity in being able to be serious cheerfully and in possessing that wisdom full of roguishness that constitutes the finest state of the human soul. And he also possessed the finer intellect.

Nietzsche in The Wanderer and his shadow

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

20 thoughts on “A man can dream

  1. archaeopteryx1 says:

    wisdom full of roguishness” – I like that!


  2. nannus says:

    Well, I have my doubts about Socrates. Among other problems I see in his philosophy, he is one of those at the root of the tradition to think that the body and the this-worldly life is bad. I think he somehow hated life and thought that it kept him back in the cave and that after death he would be freed into the “real” life of which the life on this earth was only a shadow.
    His last words where that he owed Asclepius a rooster. Asclepius is the god of medicine and he had just been freed from his “disease”, life, by drinking the “medicine” of hemlock (and I think it was Nietzsche himself who pointed out this). The anti-body, anti-life, anti-joy-tradition of christianity and other religions has one of its roots in Socrates who had a strong influence on early Christianity.


    • makagutu says:

      Since it is difficult to differentiate the thoughts of Socrates and those of Plato, we could say that he influenced early christian thought though this has always been placed at the doorstep of Plato.

      Am not sure he hated life. I don’t think a person who believes an unexamined life is not worth living hates life, ignorance maybe but not life


  3. themodernidiot says:

    Excepting that he was a philandering, misogynistic, asshole, sure.


    • makagutu says:

      So far as I can tell from the little available biographical sketches, he says the hardest to get along with of all the women there are but there is no indication he was an asshole, misogynistic though I am aware he could have said

      by all means marry, if you get a good wife you will be happy, if a bad one you will become a philosopher.


      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        According to biographical info I’VE read, Socrates wife was an absolute harpy, which may have contributed to his eagerness to drink the hemlock, but as for his misogyny – he lived in an area that stretched at LEAST from Greece to Mesopotamia, that had been misogynistic for at more than three thousand years, would anyone REALLY have expected him to think or act that contrary to the norm? The mores of the ancient world are being compared here, to modern ones – of course, they were different.

        Women in America didn’t receive the right to vote until 1920, and women in the Bahamas, not until 1950 – how can anyone condemn Socrates for his misogyny in the late Bronze Age?


  4. vastlycurious.com says:

    I think I need to revisit Socrates, my last visit was in the 70’s……..especially after the comment from themodernidiot : )


  5. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Absolutely. And Socrates had the wisdom to know that he was far from divine. Good job! 🙂


  6. Sonel says:

    I’ve always liked his quotes. This one is one my favourites : True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us.

    Have a great day Mak! 😀


  7. paarsurrey says:

    Socrates was a messenger prophet of the One-True-God. He received Revelation from Him; that is the source of his wisdom.



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