When did time begin?
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IMO time is the disipation of energy in a medium. That gives me two thoughts.
1- time began at the instant of the big bang within this universe in the manner that time is felt/observed in this universe.
2- As there may have been energy prior to the big bang sinularity, time was likely extant prior but is likely not time as we observe it within this universe.
If what is outside of the known universe is exactly like what we observe within it, then time existed prior to the big bang for uncountable length – it might be that the existence outside of this universe was quiestent with regard to energy disipation and so the time observed there was very slow compared to how we experience time. The extreme of this is that time before the big bang could have existed a near infinity of our time yet have begun to exist only moments before our universe as time is experienced outside of our universe.
When did time begin? Yes, with a flugle horn.
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I like your explanation. If the BB represents a change- beginning of inflation, did time begin at that time or did that happen within time?
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I believe it is possible that it happened within time but time inside the known universe is experienced differently than outside it… much faster than we’d experience time if we were outside of this universe.
Energy dissipates faster here inside so time moves faster than outside. It’s a mere observance of energy to space/medium ration sort of thing.
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Here is what hawking has to say:
hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html
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I liked this piece.
I have a similar view, as he says
this is not to say there was no time before the BB, we just can’t make any comments about it.
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Always been. The tracking of it and naming of it is a human thing
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Among the many questions that I think have troubled man is space and time? What they are? And how they relate with each other.
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Then we should quit asking and focus on answering why we act like assholes ๐
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We do not like looking ourselves in the mirror. It will take a while before we answer why we generally act like arseholes
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It’s fear. We are too self conscious. If we looked outward more than inward, we’d be better off
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As the alarm clock struck his head
he heard her scream,
โTime is not a f***ing illusion.โ
Scientifically speaking it’s not feasible to speculate what happened before the Big Bang because, in theory, time did not exist until the Big Bang. But it’s just a theory.
And forgive me for this next bit but I can give you a definitive and accurate answer.
March 3, 1923 was the first publication of ‘Time’ magazine, so there we have it, ‘Time’ began on March 3 1923.
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Laughing relatively loud.;-)
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Must be because you know you are clever ๐
Missed you my friend
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I am never far Noel. I walk about your blog every time you post, tiptoeing through…
Sometimes it’s just necessary to make no noise.
Stay safe.
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Glad to hear.
I will do my best. Stay well and cheerful
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I know I can count on you Mark.
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Good question, my Nairobi brother. I have another one to consider. As a human measurement, did it predate humanity?
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Sounds like one of those paradoxes.
Does a thing exist if there is no one to perceive it?
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Exactly! ๐ I trust that life is good for you, my friend?
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Life is great my friend.
Are you still on holiday? Or back to school?
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Back in the classroom. New academic year, new minds to corrupt! ๐
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Confuse as many of them as you possibly can. You have the blessings of the pope to do that ๐
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Thanks, your Celestial Greatness! I bow in awe of your benevolent blessings! Much love and naked hugs! ๐
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Much love friend. Have a pleasant weekend
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I like MAL’s take: time is the dissipation of energy in a medium. This universe is a medium, therefore there has never been a time in which time did not exist here. This says nothing about what predated this medium.
Boxing Pythagoras has a good post up on this presently:
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John that was a very interesting piece. I like it.
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He’s a thoughtful bloke.
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As a strong advocate of the Panspermia theory I would have to say the very moment that little meteorite hit the surface of our planet.
OR
when my alarm went off at 7:00 am this morning. Take your pick
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I like 2nd choice. Quite more realistic
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Nuh uhhhhh !!!
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Saying “when did time begin” seems to imply that there is a timeframe outside of time to put it into reference, because the word “when” is a reference to time. I’m not even sure that the question is a coherent one.
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Howie, your challenge is valid. If I rewrite the question to read
did time have a beginning?
I think we shall have dealt with your challenge.
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Yes, I agree Noel. Actually, rethinking a little, I suppose if there was a different timeframe outside of our own time, then even the original question works, but we don’t really know what is outside of our own time. Having seen Sean Carroll’s recent debate with WLC as well as dabbling a little in some stuff from other cosmologists I get the feeling that whether or not time actually started at the big bang is a question that is wide open right now in cosmology. So I’d have to say that I’m not sure.
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Am not sure either. It is a good question to ask.
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Yes, I think all questions like this are really good to think about. Some questions may actually end up being incoherent but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good to think through.
I always get a bit confused when theists talk about God being a mind existing for “all time” before he created everything. But the creation of everything includes time, and they believe he is outside of time. And they believe he acted to create space and time. And then they say this is the best explanation for everything. But how does a mind exist for “all time” outside of time? And how does a thinking mind even think outside of time when all minds we know of think as time moves along? And how how does a mind go through a process of creating everything when there is no time? All of these things contradict our understanding of things, yet they are somehow the “best explanations” for everything.
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That’s easy. Time began when clocks were 1st created and it will end when there are no more clocks or watched left to buy.
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That explains why I said all yea clever people. All the answers I have got are so clever ๐
And I agree with you,
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Either never or when it began ๐
Actually I am not sure we will ever know. I am not sure the big bang was the beginning, but I think there is some kind of horizon and we cannot look beyond.
I am not a physicist and the following idea might just be crap, but there is this idea of the big rip, that dark energy is increasing and everything is flying appart faster and faster. This process puts energy into the universe, for example, when atomic nuclei in the end fly appart, all the energy that was set free by fusion is put in again. I think the result then is not an ever emptier emptyness but virual particles are impartet with energy, so, starting with low energy, long wavelengh radiation and then proceeding to more energy-rich-particles/waves, the universe is filled again with hot dense energy and matter. The result will look like what you have in eternal inflation. If there are fluktuations in the dark energy, it could drop to near zero in some places. These bubbles then become new universes that from the inside look like they started with a big bang (so you have eternal inflation and the universe in the end returns to that). One consequence of the big rip would also be that arround each point, you get a shrinking event horizon that would emit something like Hawking radiation. That is probably the same thing as what I described above: virtual particles being imparted with energy.
The whole thing might have started at some time from nothing, but it might have been going on forever as well.
Just a crazy idea. I am not able to put that into math and check if it then makes sense, it is just intuitive.
Another idea I was having was that everything started with total chaos, see http://asifoscope.org/2012/11/22/are-there-laws-of-nature-on-the-deepest-level-of-reality/.
Of course, this is all pure speculation, I don’t really believe in these things (or actually: I don’t care. Since there is a horizon of accessibility, it does not really make a difference. From our subjective point of view, the question is not really important (see http://asifoscope.org/2012/11/27/almost-a-poem/)). From the subjective point of view, time began when we where born, or a couple of months after that ๐
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I like this and especially your conclusion. The universe exists for more subjectively. It is my idea and in a sense it begins to exists when I become sensible of it and ceases to exist with my death.
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Yes, both the “objective” outside view and the “subjective” inside view have their justification.
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The perception of time is relative to the viewer’s frame of reference (Einstein’s special relativity). Time and space actually exist as a single inseparable entity known as space-time (Einstein’s general relativity).
From our human perspective, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.8 billion years ago from which our observable universe came into being. However, the cosmos could be a multiverse existing on different dimensional planes (Quantum Theory), or something even weirder like a two-dimensional quantum hologram (String Theory).
So, ‘when time began’ is a moot question without this larger context which we do not fully understand scientifically.
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Bob, I think your answer demonstrates that time is a complex question and whether it had a beginning more so. For the creationist who believes his god lives outside time, time began with the first let there be.
Time and space are very crucial in our comprehension of the universe around us.
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I don’t pay much attention to creationists. IMO, they are a bunch of arrogant, callous, delusional, narrow-minded, self-serving hypocrites who are determined to send human civilization back into the Dark Ages via their authoritatively-conceived Christian theocracy.
Other than that, they’re okay in my book. How’s that for a backhanded compliment… lol!
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That is one of the best compliments I have read recently ๐
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When I created time I was sitting on my universal toilet surrounded by stars… It was amazing. Thanks for asking!
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How good to see you here after such a long time.
How has it been?
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It is going ok. Different work schedule, no sleep, but same life. lol, yourself? ๐
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I have been good, work as usual, well I could do with a little more sleep
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When I created time I was sitting on my universal toilet surrounded by starsโฆ It was amazing. Thanks for asking! lol -OM
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Maybe time is a human construction. Maybe everything exists right now. ๐
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Maybe you are right ๐
Thanks for visiting.
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I think time, in the spiritual realm, is infinite. So time I believe began (as we know it), with the creation of man and for his purpose. I think the concept is for a physical existence, a kind of measurement for we who dwell in the physical. Otherwise there is no time.
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What is spiritual realm? Is it a realm that we can describe?
And when was man created 4004BC? or before that? What other dwelling is there other than the physical?
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