I know I will regret this


We have mentioned Cornell here before. He is my neighbour in the hood, I thought with knowing yours truly, his writing will become more sensible. It appears he is gone off the racks completely.

In this post he is writing about punishment and the part of god in the matrix. On this blog we have said we oppose to punishment and are in support of rehabilitation. Society has every right to protect itself. In this case, though the removal from society of offenders, we propose that they should not be stripped of their dignity. Revenge doesn’t make society better.

The question Cornell is asking

Then why do people have a problem with a God who punishes evil in the world? Why do people have a problem with a God who sends people to hell for their sins?

is one which misses the point entirely. It absolves god, whatever they are, from blame. Cornell must first demonstrate that a god exist and show how this god is not complacent in the commission of evil. And to ask  why we have a problem with a god who sends people to hell is inhuman, a parson devoid of feeling and capricious.What would god want to achieve when he has these people in hell?

We are not in agreement on this

One thing we can all agree on is that people do not have a problem with a God who punishes sin.

for no god has been shown to exist.

I don’t know who agrees with him on this

no one is saying that there shouldn’t be a hell.

Many humanists have written against the concept of hell. Maybe he should spend time out reading different authors. I don’t want hell to exist. Don’t misunderstand me, am not saying hell exists.

If the believer holds it that god created man, there is nothing man can do to beat the wishes of god. The believer will have to prove that the offender’s behaviour is not what god intended for him/her and then to show why they should be punished for mistakes that rightly belong at god’s doorstep.

In this other post, he has expressed sophistry as I have not seen in a while.

He argues

[…]Do these examples disqualify the Bible? Many people believe so. Yet what such arguments against the Bible reveal is the arguers’ ignorance of what the Bible is and what the Bible does. The Bible is not God’s Word because it contains novel (new and unique) ideas about God. In fact, the reverse is the case, all true ideas about God that exist outside the Bible only prove that God is the author and owner of all truth. It is the reason R.C. Sproul has popularized the phrase: “all truth is God’s truth.”

and with one stroke of Oogity Boogity he has secured the bible from any criticism. I wish this were the case for him but alas, no, reality is different from this. How do we know an idea is true about god? Is something true about god if it gets mentioned in the bible and by secular author? What about those writings that are in direct contradiction with the supposed word of god? Do they also express a truth about god? And what truth is this?

I don’t know what truth is. Jesus, if he existed had an opportunity to settle this matter before Pilate [John 18:38] but he didn’t. When Cornell writes

Truth is truth, wherever you find it

I can’t for the life of me say I know what he means.

He ends his post with the sophistry with which he begun

The availability of truth apart from the Bible is actually an argument for God, not against Him. It is proof of His sovereignty — that  God is God over all people and all things, not just the Jews and the Christians. It is proof that those who will never encounter Christianity will not be judged unfairly, because “what may be known about God is “plain” to them (Rom 1:19).

There is a lot more to say about this fallacious argument. I hope not one of his many thousands of followers believe these nonsense he is selling to them. Any reasonable person who has read the bible and read some science book will be able to notice the several contradictions between the bible and what we have found out about nature and at the same time this person shall have seen the internal contradictions in the bible itself. The question then that we must ask is which is truth when we have two contradictory stories in the bible about the same event?

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32 thoughts on “I know I will regret this

  1. pinkagendist says:

    Well, maybe your friend liked to eat the lead paint off his toys when he was a child 🙂
    We have various problems with his theories even before we leave the gates. Can he define sin? Sin according to which particular sect? If we go with the Catholics, birth-control and divorce and prohibited. Not according to Protestants, though. So do they merit punishment?
    Evidently the concept of punishment is moot unless there can be agreement on what’s an offence and what isn’t, something that’s obviously an impossibility with religion. They’ve never been able to agree even amongst themselves…

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  2. themodernidiot says:

    I was with it til oogity boogity then I went off the raIls; I couldn’t keep it on track anymore from laughing so hard

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  3. themodernidiot says:

    Oh, and you can’t answer your last question if they’re in the bible 😉

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  4. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Excellent arguments, my Nairobi brother. As usual, this author offers no new proof of the existence of a deity. Of course, one issue I find very convoluted is the notion that hell is a place for punishment for offenses against the deity. Why then, do these same people advocate that the same deity is one of forgiveness for all offenders? If this is indeed true, then why does the supposed hell even exist?

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  5. john zande says:

    The availability of truth apart from the Bible is actually an argument for God, not against Him.

    LOL! So, On The Origin of Species, and the tens of thousands of works since proving evolution as scientific fact down to the finest possible detail is an “argument for god”? That’s priceless.

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  6. archaeopteryx1 says:

    You might mention Isaiah 45:7 to him: “I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

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  7. vastlycurious.com says:

    I guess if there is a hell I will see him in shackles. Such a nice erotic thought …SIN? I am a huge Sin-acyle and you have no right to regurgitate that on me ( I guess I should have written that on his post) Oh well…you brought it up 🙂

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  8. shelldigger says:

    I’ll see you all there then. Hell that is, I have heard it is a tad warm so dress appropriately.

    Given the definition I am aware of for heaven, a bunch of drooling slobs who are just happy to be at their dogs feet… I would definately prefer hell. I’ll bring some AC/DC cd’s and beer.

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