It is in the bible and I am convinced.
Some christians are very lazy. There are enough creation myths around that to think that the one in the bible is true is in my view very lazy.
The fact that anything is, is not evidence for any god. The only inference we are to make is that things are, not that any god is. How would a guy talk about anything being designed without having the knowledge of what end the thing was designed.
If a breathing person is evidence for a god, what does it say about stones or dead people? Are they also evidence of god? Since the cat I don’t own can’t read this, ca that pass as evidence against god?
If god gave man free will and with it the ability to do harm, then, no man should be blamed for using his will as he chooses. If there is a problem, then, I think the manufacturer is responsible. We can’t transfer the problem to simple mortals.
If god created the universe and all in it, and at some point a race pissed him off, I think it was easier in my view to just forgive the damned human race than commit suicide and expect us to believe the suicide based on a report of anonymous reports by not so trustworthy people.
By god, read something else! There are many books besides the bible. The Gita, the teachings of Buddha and my good friend mentions Playboy Magazine among many more.
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>>or the teachings of Buddha are very great.
At least Buddha did encourage people to challenge his teaching, how different from other religious leaders.
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Buddha encouraged people to think for themselves, most religious leaders fear the idea that their words can be questioned
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Fundamentalists of every shade are (and will remain) willfully ignorant. They have made the choice, and that choice does not involved reading anything that might contradict their worldview. The only thing we can do with such ignoramuses is hope they have no contact with children, and wait for them to die off.
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Most have more children than the average family. You could be a little late. Let’s hope that there will be enough rational influence on their children to free them of indoctrination
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An evangelical, John S. Dickerson, admits in his book, The Great Evangelical Recession (p. 26) that 260,000 evangelical children walk away from the faith every year. Those kinds of numbers are unsustainable.
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Let’s hope he’s right. These people scare me.
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I hope he is right
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Good post, my friend. There are other great things to read beside the Bible. And, not all of them are religious in origin. “Playboy” magazine, for example, has lots of spiffy articles in it, as well as some fine, outstanding photos of beautiful young lasses. Lao Tzu has some fine words of wisdom I like to peruse over when I’m done meditating on the gals in “Playboy.” So, you are darned right here, Mak. Christians need to broaden their reading, and viewing, world. They most likely won’t, though. It’s far easier to remain ignorant of reality and hate those who challenge your idiotic world view.
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Maybe I should serialise Playboy magazine so they know there are many things to be read.
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I do believe Playboy has an online version. That’s the one we here in the Church of The Golden Boot look at. Fewer words, more pics. 🙂
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Well, the thing to do then is to always have a few pics maybe they will expand what they read.
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I remember our school library had several books of creation myths and the children always enjoyed my reading them aloud. The pictures were so colorful. It was always understood that the stories were myths and make believe. 🙂
I wonder what would have happened if I read Genesis and said it was just another myth story. 😦 Believe me…I didn’t try to find out!!!
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I wish you had, you would be telling a different story.
People should read more.
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I think it was about keeping my job. 😦
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Could you apply for the same post just for the fun of it and see how it would go
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I served my time for over 20 years and I ain’t going back!!!!!!!!!
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Ok dear. Your students must have been some of the luckiest
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If she had, though, she might not be here today to tell us this tale. Christians get very violent and hateful when they’re told their bible is just another book of myths. Very violent.
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Religions speak of spreading love, what love they mean will require examination
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“If god gave man free will and with it the ability to do harm, then, no man should be blamed for using his will as he chooses. If there is a problem, then, I think the manufacturer is responsible. We can’t transfer the problem to simple mortals.” Great stuff, Noel. I have this image of lines and lines of reject models being sent back for reconfiguring and repurposing and junking depending on the extent of the malfunction. It’s a bit like a reverse image of the Maasai myth where all the cattle come down from heaven…
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I mean, don’t you think so? Why should men take the blame for the mistakes of a god
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I think you make a very serious point here. I seem to remember that the Inca catered for such an event in their cosmology. The creator made a real mess with his prototypes. They had to go back to the potter’s hearth and be melted down for the next effort. In these days of transparency and quality control, we could expect higher standards from the highest being could we not?
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Maybe you should be polite to the god in this case, doing a complex job alone leads to screw ups. I think this particular god after making the stars, galaxies came down to earth, made it conducive for all kinds of bacteria then when it was very tired made man, that being the last thing it made before resting. You would expect such a thing to have massive flaws- it is one race that makes weapons to kill themselves, kills others just for fun and this includes other species, creates demons and fears these demons. It requires several books to list just how bad this animal turned out. The only redeeming feature is that a broken clock is correct at least twice a day- so it is with the human race. There have been exceptional men and women among them who have done marvelous things and continue to do so.
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The question is: can we re-make ourselves? Can we be trusted? I’m an optimist so I would say yes, but this could be wishful thinking? I am impressed, though, by your kind concern for a tired old creator who has shot his best bolt making the universe 🙂
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It has been said, and I agree, that if any god of theology is to be rescued, that work will have been done mainly by atheists. Believers should all be in jail for blasphemy, they make their god a monster and blame atheists.
The questions you ask, very interesting.
Can we remake ourselves- I think yes, once we can wrestle that knowledge from nature.
Can we be trusted? – depends on in what way? To mess up, of course, we can be trusted to mess up big time 😉
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“There have been exceptional men and women among them who have done marvelous things and continue to do so.” And all without this tired, lazy, psychopathic god doing a single thing to help them. Sorry excuse for a divine being.
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Oh yes, without help and no hope for anything in the beyond
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“Why should men take the blame for the mistakes of a god.”
Stockholm syndrome? —- “a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with them.
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.”
If you are told over and over (especially starting in early childhood) that you are a shameful, sinful creature bound to spend eternity in hell if you don’t submit and obey, then what else could it be but traumatic bonding? That is unless you are one of the theological thugs who knows this is myth and are making a living promoting fear and psychological abuse.
As usual, excellent post, Noel.
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Thanks Victoria.
Religions effs people’s minds. A guy reads his bible where it says whatever you ask in my name, you will receive. He then asks for food he doesn’t get then blames himself for not having enough faith while he is required to have the faith the size of a mustard seed!
Stockholm Syndrome it is.
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lazy and ignorantly arrogant.
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is there any help that can be offered
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I think just constantly countering their claims with evidence. So many theists are afraid to think about their claims, and they need to be encouraged to. They need to be shown that their claims are just like other theists whom they are sure are utterly wrong.
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If it is stated in the bible and it is perceived as truth, then the same can be said by those who feel the same about the qu’ran, the torah, etc. Follow that logic and all belief systems are truth. Therefore, no belief system is superior to another. That should give them all food to ponder.
Have a great weekend, my Nairobi brother! 🙂
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Let’s hope they will take time to think about it.
Big hugs to you too
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True, my buddy! 🙂
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I am not convinced and neither is the unicorn I’m riding. 😆
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Even Google doesn’t agree 😉
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Of course Google won’t. Google is god. 😆
Our Google, which art on servers,
Hallowed be thy page;
Thy domain come,
Thy search be done,
On Chrome or Firefox as it is in the cloud.
Give us this day our daily lolcats
And forgive our trolling,
As we forgive those who troll against us;
And lead us not into spam,
But deliver us from malware. RAMen.
http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/
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Hahahaha. Dear you have made my morning
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Glad to hear that Mak. You must have a great day and I hope all is fine with you. Take care. 😀
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A very necessary advice, especially for Africans. Here in German, if I enter a bus or train and I see somebody reading, if it is a European, it can be just any book, if it is an African you can be 90 percent sure it is the bible or some related stuff. It is really a shame.
In Cameroonian and Nigerian pidgin there is this nice expression “habook”. A habook is somebody who has lost the traditional African culture (which was a form of sophisticated eucation) but has not acquired the modern western education instead. He is “half-book” (that is what the word is derived from), i.e. semi-literate. And that half book they know is some part of the bible.
I hope a lot of people will eventually follow in your footsteps. Africa needs broad education. What the colonialists have done is destroying the old cultures, but not introducing there own but only a reduced shrink-form of it. And that is one of the things keeping Africa down (I think I have said something like that in a previous comment).
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I know many habooks.
It is gonna take a long time before people here realize they have been duped for long now. We have many ills to deal with and all of them are in one way or another tied to the type of education guys get here.
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I never got a hard-on reading the Bible but definitely found enlightenment as a young bloke from reading Playboy. 😉
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You didn’t read Songs of Songs [Solomon]? Maybe you should 😛
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Yes, I read it; but one man’s erotic literature is another man’s Yawn.
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You are right on that, maybe you can now use your old bible as door stopper
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