The ignorance of theists


This post is a response to the irony of atheism. I am not suggesting that all the theists are ignorant but most of them, especially those who write on the internet about atheism, seem to be ignorant of their subject matter. I will be their educator, for free.

Atheism is a lack of belief in deities. I am sorry it can’t mean anything more than. You can cry a river all you want but it will not require a leap of faith, unless of course you are really ignorant.

Humanism removes the need for the divine for the supernatural or divine in human affairs. Atheists have no belief in the supernatural. Humanism is not a synonym for atheism. To use the two interchangeably can only mean you neither understand the meaning of one or the other or both.

Yours truly is unable to make sense of this

Consequently any movement or political system based upon Atheism and Humanism – Marxism,  Communism and/or Catholicism: Humanism masquerading as a religion for example – without fail end up enslaving and persecuting the very one’s they claim to represent and serve.

Is he saying atheism is like Catholicism or that humanism is like Catholicism? How does a philosophy based on man’s ability to rationally solve humanities problems enslave and persecute the very people it is trying to improve? Is there something am missing or is there a memo that didn’t get to me?

Someone please tell me whether Stalin’s Russia did all it did in an attempt to promote humanism and atheism. I am ignorant in this matters and since it gets repeated everywhere even by people who don’t know the meaning of atheism, we need this matter cleared up.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

123 thoughts on “The ignorance of theists

  1. Mordanicus says:

    There are humanists who do believe in god.

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  2. ladysighs says:

    I think the ignorance on the meaning of atheist/atheism is perhaps the #1 head slapping, teeth gritting, foot stomping etc etc thing. Until the understanding that it is nothing more/nothing less than a lack of belief in gods, the conversation is useless. As you point out, most of those writing on the internet treat it as some kind of belief system.
    I never could make the connection between humanism and atheism. As an atheist I do not need to give a rat’s ass about other human beings. I don’t have to think rationally or do any critical thinking. (But I hope I do care about others and have a few rational thoughts. 🙂 )

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    • keithnoback says:

      The approach you describe is understandable, since it skirts the difficult questions. I agree with the post that an atheistic position is probably a simple rejection of truly supernatural explanations in the end.
      If that is my position, I owe an explanation (not an evidential ‘proof’) for it. Once I have explained why I find supernatural explanations untenable, the person proposing supernatural causes(?!) then owes an explanation (not an evidential proof – evidently!) for the relevance and coherence of his position. That’s the hard part.
      It’s much easier to, in effect, scream, “Think of the children!”

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    • makagutu says:

      Do these guys just listen to their pastors only or do they read beyond what they are taught in sunday school? Hope your students turned out better

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    • fojap says:

      I totally agree. 🙂

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  3. Sonel says:

    Just because someone doesn’t believe in supernatural beings or entities, doesn’t make them bad or stupid. Some of these theists need to wake up and keep their silly beliefs to themselves. They want to believe that crap….let them, but they should stop picking on those who doesn’t want to believe the fairy tales they believe in. And to use Stalin as an example is just plain stupid. What about all the war and killing that is still going on in the name of ‘God’ and religion?

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  4. aguywithoutboxers says:

    Excellent arguments, my Nairobi brother. From your theists proposition and lumping all sorts of belief systems together, it appears to me that the author is merely branding everyone who believes differently from her/him as equally at fault. There are atheists who are not humanists, and vice versa. The same with communists and Catholics. They are all just as separate as are pineapples and grapes. Great job! 🙂

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  5. john zande says:

    I’m quite fond of this sentence by him: Communism: A political system based upon Atheism and Humanism

    And here i was thinking Communism was a socioeconomic system based on common property and common wealth. Clearly, I’m not a genius like this man is.

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  6. always fun to watch Christians insist that other versions of Christianity are somehow “atheism”. I guess it’s the usual desire to pretend that they and they alone have the “truth”.

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    • makagutu says:

      It is such insistence on a brand of truth that has been the cause of so many wars. How he decides some Christians are atheists is ridiculous

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      • I think you can chalk up a lot of Christian behavior to being selfish and needy. religion seems to infantilize people.

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      • That’s easy, your “Christian” friend believes what he has been told. I have heard these preachers go on and on about such things telling their flocks that this or that other version of Christianity is Satanic, atheistic, etc. etc. As for looking anything up on the internet or even in an encyclopedia is a waste of time since those things are created by the same evil conspiracies that brought you evolution and a 4.5 billion year old earth. Only in the Bible, as presented to you by this preacher (don’t forget your donation!) and no other can you find the real truth. Oh, and you don’t need to read those parts over there, these here are the important ones…
        The schools in America can’t do any real teaching about the idiocy of some of the local belief systems because of the separation of Church and State which is still holding fast inspite of Christian attempts to subvert it. Probably not a bad idea, but it does leave our kids open to all kinds of nonsense from home. If the schools do too good a job of teaching reality, parents can always home school their children and brainwash anything they want to into them. When they “graduate” they can go on to places like Liberty University for a final polishing off.

        Finally, remember the fear factor. It takes two forms, one the classical fear of Hell that Christians have preached into them, but the other is far worse and not usually identified. It is the same fear that many Muslims have when someone disses their religion: I know this belief system is stupid and false, but if everyone else is exposed to those facts, it might come out that I agree as well, so I have to shout the loudest at the anti-free speech rally (etc. etc.)

        On and on. And this from your local theist fan!

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  7. themodernidiot says:

    Using the punctuation as a guide, Catholicism is based on atheism? I think someone dropped some acid in his communion wine.

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  8. fabryhistory says:

    I think it’s almost impossible for true believers to understand how anyone can live without any religious structure at all. One religious belief must be replaced with another, they seem to be convinced of this.

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    • makagutu says:

      You are right on the money

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    • It may be part of the cult of faith. You don’t “know” anything, you only “believe” it. So, if you realize (know) that there is absolutely no evidence for God, that’s just really something you believe, right? And if you believe that, then it’s your religion… I believe the sun will rise in the East tomorrow morning. I have faith. That cloud cover is just a satanic conspiracy to make me doubt.

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  9. ejwinner says:

    Though openly atheist, I have friends who are Catholics, now I see why – they are just as evil as I am. We’re just one big happy evil family.

    The educational system in America has been failing for some decades now, but this isn’t just ignorance, this is just one step away from conspiracy theory paranoia.

    What next – alien lizards disguised as politicians? – Wait, that’s one conspiracy theory I might believe in… no, dammit, I would still need to see some real evidence.

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  10. Should have commented this morning instead of wading through 83 comments courtesy of John and Inspired.

    I’ve seen that Aus vid about Americans years ago, still funny.

    Anyway, I would have said I’ve forgotten my Russian history which focused more on anarchists Bakunin et al rather than communism, but I see John answered anyway so I’ll have a go at this:

    Consequently any movement or political system based upon Atheism and Humanism – Marxism, Communism and/or Catholicism: Humanism masquerading as a religion for example – without fail end up enslaving and persecuting the very one’s they claim to represent and serve.

    Easy. Marxism, Communism and Catholicism are based on humanism/atheism.
    Catholicism isn’t a religion (technically I suppose it’s not, the religion is Christianity, Catholicism is one of many ways of following Christ, although one of the older ones), it’s really humanism pretending to be a religion.
    So any movement/political system based on the three above quoted will fail.
    The result of this will be the enslavement and persecution of the people (every one’s of them) the movement/political system represents.

    Which may mean, those who worship Mammon not God become slaves to that, whereas if they worshipped Jesus (and not the Pope in the case of Catholics) they would be free.

    Yes!

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