This post is a response to the irony of atheism. I am not suggesting that all the theists are ignorant but most of them, especially those who write on the internet about atheism, seem to be ignorant of their subject matter. I will be their educator, for free.
Atheism is a lack of belief in deities. I am sorry it can’t mean anything more than. You can cry a river all you want but it will not require a leap of faith, unless of course you are really ignorant.
Humanism removes the need for the divine for the supernatural or divine in human affairs. Atheists have no belief in the supernatural. Humanism is not a synonym for atheism. To use the two interchangeably can only mean you neither understand the meaning of one or the other or both.
Yours truly is unable to make sense of this
Consequently any movement or political system based upon Atheism and Humanism – Marxism, Communism and/or Catholicism: Humanism masquerading as a religion for example – without fail end up enslaving and persecuting the very one’s they claim to represent and serve.
Is he saying atheism is like Catholicism or that humanism is like Catholicism? How does a philosophy based on man’s ability to rationally solve humanities problems enslave and persecute the very people it is trying to improve? Is there something am missing or is there a memo that didn’t get to me?
Someone please tell me whether Stalin’s Russia did all it did in an attempt to promote humanism and atheism. I am ignorant in this matters and since it gets repeated everywhere even by people who don’t know the meaning of atheism, we need this matter cleared up.
Random thoughts 
There are humanists who do believe in god.
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This particular theist is ignorant of that fact
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I think the ignorance on the meaning of atheist/atheism is perhaps the #1 head slapping, teeth gritting, foot stomping etc etc thing. Until the understanding that it is nothing more/nothing less than a lack of belief in gods, the conversation is useless. As you point out, most of those writing on the internet treat it as some kind of belief system.
I never could make the connection between humanism and atheism. As an atheist I do not need to give a rat’s ass about other human beings. I don’t have to think rationally or do any critical thinking. (But I hope I do care about others and have a few rational thoughts. 🙂 )
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The approach you describe is understandable, since it skirts the difficult questions. I agree with the post that an atheistic position is probably a simple rejection of truly supernatural explanations in the end.
If that is my position, I owe an explanation (not an evidential ‘proof’) for it. Once I have explained why I find supernatural explanations untenable, the person proposing supernatural causes(?!) then owes an explanation (not an evidential proof – evidently!) for the relevance and coherence of his position. That’s the hard part.
It’s much easier to, in effect, scream, “Think of the children!”
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Do these guys just listen to their pastors only or do they read beyond what they are taught in sunday school? Hope your students turned out better
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I totally agree. 🙂
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Just because someone doesn’t believe in supernatural beings or entities, doesn’t make them bad or stupid. Some of these theists need to wake up and keep their silly beliefs to themselves. They want to believe that crap….let them, but they should stop picking on those who doesn’t want to believe the fairy tales they believe in. And to use Stalin as an example is just plain stupid. What about all the war and killing that is still going on in the name of ‘God’ and religion?
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Maybe they are spreading atheism through religious wars, who knows. Most theists need to wake up
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Spreading atheism through religious wars? By Golly, I think you have something there! I know that a thorough reading of the Bible can definitely lead to atheism, why not religious wars as well? We could probably add suicide bombing to the list also.
Nothing defames religion better (worse?) than many of the acts of it’s followers. Sadly, that even includes things like medical missionaries and the like.
Beautifully written post, thank you!
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Thanks for your comments.
I agree, maybe we should include suicide bombings on the manual for spreading atheism
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A nice dash of Sonel common sense here 😀
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😆 Thanks Kate. Just couldn’t keep quiet. No one messes with my Atheist friends and gets away with it. 😛
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Haha
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Excellent arguments, my Nairobi brother. From your theists proposition and lumping all sorts of belief systems together, it appears to me that the author is merely branding everyone who believes differently from her/him as equally at fault. There are atheists who are not humanists, and vice versa. The same with communists and Catholics. They are all just as separate as are pineapples and grapes. Great job! 🙂
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I wonder sometimes if these people live where there is no internet or whether thry just arrived from outer space. He could easily have done a Google search for the meaning of humanism. This level of ignorance requires whipping lo
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Or else it merits spending an eternity in hell in the section reserved for Catholics! 🙂
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I think hell reserved for Muslims would be better for him and others like him
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True! Poor Muslims! 😉
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I have become convinced that there are people who can only upload to the internet and cannot download.
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I think so too. Sad thing is some of them have so many followers you wonder whether they are all insane
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I’m quite fond of this sentence by him: Communism: A political system based upon Atheism and Humanism
And here i was thinking Communism was a socioeconomic system based on common property and common wealth. Clearly, I’m not a genius like this man is.
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Well, he has catholicism in that same line. Thinking must be hard for a greater number of the race
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You really have to wonder just how bad the state of education must be in the US (at least in certain areas in the US) to produce such astonishingly ignorant simpletons.
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It really must be so bad. This is a guy who could have spent a few minutes on Google to research humanism, what is atheism before displaying his ignorance to the world
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heh, well, John, we both know that education is quite bad in the US considering our interaction with Diana. Oy.
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Is it just me, or does she seem to be putting on the dumbness?
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It is my opinion that she is intentionally playing dumb. I do not know if she is doing it because she can pretend she is powerful and can “make” the atheist do things or what. If she is not playing dumb, she has the worst case of defensiveness (in the psychological sense) that I have ever seen. I know it is dicy to diagnosis such things online, but she uses just about every classic defense mechanism I’ve ever read about.
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I get the feeling she’s playing dumb. This is not how she’s behaved with me on other posts. Perhaps she thinks she’s going to lead to realise that Oogity Boogity is real??
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Maybe, but being a really bad Christian isn’t the way to do that. She is being a great example of how dishonest some Christians can be.
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whose site is she on? John’s or Club’s?
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Mine. She decided to tell me that geology was wrong. Then she said that she wanted to learn,so I’ve been trying to teach her. All she’s been doing is lying and trying to twist my words. It’s kinda sad.
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I agree with you though, that she’s playing up the dumb bit. At least I hope she is. Cause if not, WOW!
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Indeed. Her reaction is so odd that I have to wonder if she’s just terrified about what she’s walked into.
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Could be. She may not even understand what’s walked into, though I don’t find her unintelligent, just deeply misguided.
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I have seen part of the exchange. Since she says at the very beginning she is ignorant, I wouldn’t mind her so much. There was a Kathy on a blog who showed up a blog all willing to learn. That was the first lie she told and from there it was down the hole or whatever you guys say
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I remember her. Quite the angry psychopathic christian, and rude, too.
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I don’t know why she said she wanted to learn in the first place
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She wanted to teach. Ignorance.
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No, she’s quite intelligent, but she wastes it on her constant dishonest attempts to claim that the evidence that shows there was no magic flood supposedly *is* evidence for it.
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The absence of evidence is also evidence for UFO’s, Mermaids, 9/11 conspiracies, Bigfoot, and Dr. Doolittle’s ability to talk to the animals. Anything is true for which there is no supporting evidence to support it. Utterly ridiculous way to walk through life. Whatever her issues are, being receptive to reality isn’t one of them.
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We just had a discussion of proof the other day, you don’t need evidence. No evidence is good enough evidence
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Best kind of evidence there is. None.
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And that is why am going to be a lawyer
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How does that work
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I will check it out shortly
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Is this the Diana I think it is? If so, I have wondered the exact same thing as Zande.
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I haven’t read your post yet, but I’ve had the exact same conversation about her with someone else. I said that I thought she was faking, or at least exaggerating her ignorance. The other person said he was much more familiar with her and insisted she was in earnest. I’ve given up trying to wrap my head around it. She doesn’t seem stupid enough for her level of ignorance.
He likes her, but he seems to like me as well, so I’m not going to talk anyone out of their bad taste in friends.
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Don’t talk anyone out of their bad tastes in anything
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It’s OK to generalize about America, John. The education system here, generally, SUCKS!!!!! There may be pockets where it does not suck, but, generally speaking, it sucks. It isn’t valued nor considered relevant. That’s why idiots like Ken Ham came here. It’s so easy for them to find followers here. What I’m discovering as well, having been raised Catholic, is that the TruChristians in America hate Catholics as much as they do atheists. Whatever twisted “christian” faith they’ve warped the bible into for themselves, does not see Catholics as their pals. They see them as answerable to the pope, a man, and not Jeebus, an invisible guy. And this, they do not like. It was a big issue when JFK was running for President. TruChristians feared he’s bow to the Pope and the Vatican would be running America. TruChristians fail to see that, at one very long historic point, all of Christianity was Roman Catholic. Today’s modern branches of it were spun from this foundation. Again, this shows the utter incompetence of the public education system in America. Our education system, combined with a brain-numbing, conservatively dense interpretation of Jeebus’ word, gives you statements like this one, “Consequently any movement or political system based upon Atheism and Humanism – Marxism, Communism and/or Catholicism: Humanism masquerading as a religion for example – without fail end up enslaving and persecuting the very one’s they claim to represent and serve.” The person who wrote this has the educational equivalency of a potato. So, John, though I was being a wise-ass about your broad statements about America, I was only joking. Americans, by far, are under educated and highly unmotivated to learn anything about the world.
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Unquestionably the US has some of the very best schools/universities in the world, but there does seem to be a broad problem with the general education system.
I’ve always love this piece:
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Hilarious, but very true video. It’s our public education system from grades K-12 that sucks most. It is wildly unfair to those in poorer cities and towns. Private schools and Universities are excellent, but those cost $. We keep our poor dumb and our rich just smarter enough to realize the poor are better kept that way.
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Oh, clever! Devious, but clever… although asking for a revolution, eventually.
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Please! I’ve been crying for one, or the threat of one at least, for years now. We poor, liberal folk gotta fight to take back our land. Gosh darn it.
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I really thought Occupy was going to be it. I know it scared the shit out of the bankers, and that can only mean it was on the right track.
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I thought so too. Perhaps, if enough people get angry, it’ll happen again. The wealthy conservatives here have ways of crushing rebellions against their empire that are far more effective than the Death Star. No one has yet been able to blow them up.
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Well, like the Death Star, there’s a flaw in the structure: an exhaust pipe that runs right to the reactor.
You have to wonder what the Empire’s engineers were thinking!
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They’re thinking there isn’t enough of a rebellion to do shit about them. And, they’re right. Only 37% of registered voters voted in the last election here. An election that saw the Republican Party gain total
control of the Federal government. We no longer have a Democracy when we no longer have voters who care enough to vote. I feel deeply pessimistic about the future of my land.
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Voting should really be compulsory.
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I agree. They make jury duty compulsory here, they need to do the same for voting. Vote or suffer a huge fine.
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It’s not voting or not that is the major issue, it is the class of people being voted in
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True. They’re able to control and manipulate the voters so that people who do vote often vote for the very monsters who do not care at all about them. Either way, I’m pretty pessimistic about our future.
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I am no longer pessimistic. I just gave up hope.
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$Amen$ to that, my brother. $Amen$ to that.
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also, the conservatives would NEVER want compulsory voting in America. They like it that so few vote because the one’s who do vote, vote for them far too often.
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I see it here, people vote for the same idiots who lied to them 5 years earlier. It is sad to be idiot. Sometimes one wishes they were ants
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Yes. Or termites. They seem very happy chewing on wood all day.
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I tell you. And after chewing wood they die. Each termite has its role and carry it out with diligence. I don’t know whether they have
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Just really fat queens. Ever seen one? They look like friggin space aliens. Long, fat, and nasty lookin.
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I have seen them queen ants. We used to look for them especially when we were young and there was an ant infestation.
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Queen termites are even nastier looking. They’re long and caterpillar-like and very fat. I’m fascinated by insects. Never kill ’em, just love to study and watch them.
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I have a phobia for crawling insects or whatever that can land on my skin but from far, I will watch them do their stuff
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Don’t bother me, except for bedbugs. Lice feeding on my blood while I sleep I can do without.
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Bedbugs are a menace sent from hell! Those tiny things make sleeping work
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Yes they do. I had them a few years ago. Quite awful.
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Establishments, wealthy ones for that matter, require concerted effort for a long period to change their ways. Anytime they can buy or manipulate the leaders of the revolt, the cause is lost
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Well said.
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I think they stopped too soon
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Agreed.
People are back on the streets here. Well, down in Sao Paulo. The idiots hold massive marches, a year later re-elect the same government, then hold more massive marches. You really can’t cure Dumb.
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We keep electing idiots but then I realized the majority are idiots, you don’t expect them to elect people above them
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John, this is a good clip. I hope to high heaven that represents just a few people
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I’m sure there was a LOT of editing that went into it 🙂
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I am sure the general population here wouldn’t fare any better
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I’d say it represents a good 50% of us at least, Mak. And I’m being very “conservative” with that number.
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You can’t be serious
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Yes. Yes I am.
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Do you think a person with an education of a potato can learn to have a brain size of a rat?
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No. And, please, Mak. Do not insult rats ever again with such a comment. 🙂
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I apologise to all the rats
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Thank you. Because you apologized, you’ll sleep better tonight.
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It’s always a good thing to have a good night’s sleep
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And not to have angry rats biting you when you get it. An insulted rat is an angry rat.
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(Hissy fit successfully averted.) 🙂
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always fun to watch Christians insist that other versions of Christianity are somehow “atheism”. I guess it’s the usual desire to pretend that they and they alone have the “truth”.
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It is such insistence on a brand of truth that has been the cause of so many wars. How he decides some Christians are atheists is ridiculous
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I think you can chalk up a lot of Christian behavior to being selfish and needy. religion seems to infantilize people.
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It sure does make adults infants
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That’s easy, your “Christian” friend believes what he has been told. I have heard these preachers go on and on about such things telling their flocks that this or that other version of Christianity is Satanic, atheistic, etc. etc. As for looking anything up on the internet or even in an encyclopedia is a waste of time since those things are created by the same evil conspiracies that brought you evolution and a 4.5 billion year old earth. Only in the Bible, as presented to you by this preacher (don’t forget your donation!) and no other can you find the real truth. Oh, and you don’t need to read those parts over there, these here are the important ones…
The schools in America can’t do any real teaching about the idiocy of some of the local belief systems because of the separation of Church and State which is still holding fast inspite of Christian attempts to subvert it. Probably not a bad idea, but it does leave our kids open to all kinds of nonsense from home. If the schools do too good a job of teaching reality, parents can always home school their children and brainwash anything they want to into them. When they “graduate” they can go on to places like Liberty University for a final polishing off.
Finally, remember the fear factor. It takes two forms, one the classical fear of Hell that Christians have preached into them, but the other is far worse and not usually identified. It is the same fear that many Muslims have when someone disses their religion: I know this belief system is stupid and false, but if everyone else is exposed to those facts, it might come out that I agree as well, so I have to shout the loudest at the anti-free speech rally (etc. etc.)
On and on. And this from your local theist fan!
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I agree with you. Most believers believe in the god of their pastor. In fact, the pastor is their god. What the pastor wants is what god wants.
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I couldn’t have said it better!
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Using the punctuation as a guide, Catholicism is based on atheism? I think someone dropped some acid in his communion wine.
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Or he hasn’t had communion for a while. I now understand why someone can say Obama is antichrist, atheist and muslim all in one single statement and not feel ashamed.
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I think it’s almost impossible for true believers to understand how anyone can live without any religious structure at all. One religious belief must be replaced with another, they seem to be convinced of this.
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You are right on the money
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It may be part of the cult of faith. You don’t “know” anything, you only “believe” it. So, if you realize (know) that there is absolutely no evidence for God, that’s just really something you believe, right? And if you believe that, then it’s your religion… I believe the sun will rise in the East tomorrow morning. I have faith. That cloud cover is just a satanic conspiracy to make me doubt.
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Though openly atheist, I have friends who are Catholics, now I see why – they are just as evil as I am. We’re just one big happy evil family.
The educational system in America has been failing for some decades now, but this isn’t just ignorance, this is just one step away from conspiracy theory paranoia.
What next – alien lizards disguised as politicians? – Wait, that’s one conspiracy theory I might believe in… no, dammit, I would still need to see some real evidence.
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The things theists teach us!
It’s a sad thing when education standards fall.
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The rise of fundamentalism since the early 80s has certainly contributed to it.
‘Are you dumbed down?’
‘Sure, I believe in the literal truth of the word.’
‘Praise the lord, you’re saved!’
Yep, it’s just become a race to get all dumber-than-thou here.
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All dumb people can now claim others pointing it out are racists
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I found a fish scale on my kitchen floor this morning. If that isn’t the evidence you’ve been looking for, I don’t know what is.
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Does the fish scale have a Democrat or a Republican campaign button on it? I’ll need to know to please our new lizard masters in the next election….
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One of each.
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All hail our alien lizard overlords – you know, Pascal’s wager, just in case.
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Well, alright, but I can I get some polyhedral dice throws to increase my chances for survival?
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This is very important, alien lizards might be getting offended anytime they are not worshiped
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Should have commented this morning instead of wading through 83 comments courtesy of John and Inspired.
I’ve seen that Aus vid about Americans years ago, still funny.
Anyway, I would have said I’ve forgotten my Russian history which focused more on anarchists Bakunin et al rather than communism, but I see John answered anyway so I’ll have a go at this:
Easy. Marxism, Communism and Catholicism are based on humanism/atheism.
Catholicism isn’t a religion (technically I suppose it’s not, the religion is Christianity, Catholicism is one of many ways of following Christ, although one of the older ones), it’s really humanism pretending to be a religion.
So any movement/political system based on the three above quoted will fail.
The result of this will be the enslavement and persecution of the people (every one’s of them) the movement/political system represents.
Which may mean, those who worship Mammon not God become slaves to that, whereas if they worshipped Jesus (and not the Pope in the case of Catholics) they would be free.
Yes!
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“Should have commented this morning instead of wading through 83 comments courtesy of John and Inspired.” Listen. I’m only responsible for 82 of those. Blame John for the others.
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That’s ok. One of those 82 won the daily snort award. The potato comment was too funny, so it was worth the wade.
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🙂
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Hahaha
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I am even more confused. Should i go back to being catholic or do i become a communist
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Kinda lost with the whole “Catholics aren’t Christian” nonsense. I can assure you, they are. Not as insipidly crazy as a few other sects, but just as “Christian.” Very glad to have given the whole faith thing its due by flushing it down the toilet where it belongs. $Amen$
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Flushing it down the toilet and then disposing the toilet to ensure there is no chance of it coming back up
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That’s why church and state should never be mixed 🙂
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