In defense of higher education


Not that it needs defending but because I couldn’t think of a better title for this post. Some of you have read the floundering thoughts post which was  a response to a post whose author has pestered yours truly to read in order that I should be enlightened on what am missing.

When I wrote the other day about length of posts, I had such posts in mind. The author could have as well written

the bible is the word of god because the bible says so

and be done with it but she goes yapping endlessly saying almost the same thing. I could respond to that statement with a single word BULLSHIT and stop there and I will still have done the post justice. I will however say a bit more because there are groups of people who think ridicule isn’t a good response to credulity.

She tells us the universe is evidence for a creator. That everything we see around is evidence for the god of the Hebrews. We are expected to believe that the creator of the universe slept for generations and only felt it important to talk to men about his works to a band of herders. This is to expect a lot from us. She tells us because we can’t create shit, we can’t question shit. No wonder charlatans frauds pastors still make so much money. The world is populated by people ready to believe the most silly of things.

A wise man living a few centuries back wrote

We are assured that the wonders of nature are sufficient to a belief in the existence of a God, and to convince us fully of this important truth. But how many persons are there in this world who have the leisure, the capacity, the necessary taste, to contemplate nature and to meditate upon its progress? The majority of men pay no attention to it. A peasant is not at all moved by the beauty of the sun, which he sees every day. The sailor is not surprised by the regular movements of the ocean; he will draw from them
no theological inductions. The phenomena of nature do not prove the existence of a God, except to a few forewarned men, to whom has been shown in advance the finger of God in all the objects whose mechanism could embarrass them. The unprejudiced philosopher sees nothing in the wonders of nature but permanent and invariable law; nothing but the necessary effects of different combinations of diversified substance.

but we should see god. To see a creator. This is asking for too much from our intelligence. Maybe a mad man would find the explanation that malaria points to god, a god who later on you will learn is all loving, all-powerful and all-knowing. They question on whose authority you would question the love of such a fiend. It’s messengers/ parsons want you to buy this crap under the threat of eternal fire. Keep your fires, keep your stakes!

If pride is the father of unbelief, call me proud. But it takes a certain amount of stupid to believe that it is pride that makes a man of common sense ask if donkeys talk or snakes walked and ‘fishes’ were used for transcontinental transport. Please!

If you were to ask a person of common sense why the bible needs defense, especially if it must be believed, they will tell you it is self refuting and not self proving. To see it as anything more than that, you requires religion.

In the superstition of the ages the author says this about theology, what our author here calls the study of divine things

There is a science which has for its object only incomprehensible things. Unlike all others, it occupies itself but with things unseen. Hobbes calls it “the kingdom of darkness.” In this land all obey laws opposed to those which men acknowledge in the world they inhabit. In this marvelous region light is but darkness, evidence becomes doubtful or false, the impossible becomes credible, reason is an unfaithful guide, and common sense changed into delirium. This science is named Theology, and this Theology
is a continual insult to human reason

I digress.

Our author asks

What then is the value of the scholarship which does not trust scripture?

A question which I interpret to mean scholarship should make us all bible believing dimwits. Seriously?

We are told

If a person must rely on the testimony of men to give approval of the scriptures, then that person will always be at the mercy of another mans learning.

This is not God’s way as He demonstrates the power in His word  that men’s faith be not in men.

And I keep saying this is high irony.

The first book of the bible starts

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light……..

and yours truly must ask, is this the testimony of god or of man?

The author then tells us that pilate deserved no answer when he asked what was the meaning of truth. I would imagine a god would want to settle the ignorance of men but not to the staunch believer.

It is strange when one is a believer how everything is the fault of the reader. A person of common sense reads of Lot shagging his daughters and finds this abhorrent, the believer tells you scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. I will be generous here, someone please tell what lesson we get from this story. I will wait.

Towards the end, there is this charge

A person tells you the bible is a fairy tale. He says you are a lunatic if you believe ‘In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.’ He thinks you are insane if you actually believe there was confusing of languages in Babel,  he tells you Abraham never existed, he tells you Sodom was not a real city, and he tells you sin is a fabrication. He then tells you the death of the son of God was a joke. He informs you  that the ‘faith once delivered to the saints’ is a deluded hope. He tells you men of higher learning have found errors with scripture.

He then finishes by informing you there are mistakes in what he calls the book of myths, and pleads with you to answer his endless charges.

Which looks like a legit charge but answerable. I will give an analogy; when watching a movie, you know from the onset it is a tale but at the end you say about some scene they lied. You know where you have a guy in a brown shirt and the same guy in a green shirt but he hasn’t left his desk. There is no contradiction in telling you the bible is a book of fairy tales and then pointing out the portions of the fairy tales that are an exaggeration or badly told. So yes, the bible is a book of fairy tales, some badly told and some so exaggerated but fairy tales all the same. It may say something factual about the human condition but this is to be expected written as it is by men, for men and about men.

I will end this post in the words of Shelley P. Bysshe

The educated man ceases to be superstitious.

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138 thoughts on “In defense of higher education

  1. “there are groups of people who think ridicule isn’t a good response to credulity.” Mark Twain would greatly disagree with them. I’m with him. Excellent post, my friend. Well argued and reasoned. Here’s to you.

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  2. archaeopteryx1 says:

    It sounds as though you have met “ColorStorm,” as those are direct quotations of his that I easily recognize – BTW, “she” is a he, sort of.

    This, from his “About” page:

    “I have written elsewhere that drastic disagreements challenge our thinking. If something is sure and true, it can withstand the most intense scrutiny.”
    — ColorStorm —

    And yet he moderates me on his blog, so that I won’t divulge any counter information to his sheeple that might upset the applecart he has contrived for them, as he thrives on the “Attaboy!’s” from which he gets his daily fix of dopamine.

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    • makagutu says:

      I saw your exchange. I wonder how you keep doing it and every comment of yours is edited for effect

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Hey mak-
        here’s a few comments from your friends

        It’s people like ……….. and ColorStorm that keep me believing in post-natal abortion. ‘……….’

        “After all, Christ was said to have a devil, Paul a madman” – both mental issues – it would seem that’s a major prerequisite to becoming religious.

        “You’re an idiot” – Good answer! Read his blog if you want to know just how much of an idiot he really is!

        Btw- ‘Every comment of yours is edited for effect,’ is a bold faced lie, and if arch has an ounce of character, he will agree

        Now then, you tell me why I should address ANY of your concerns.

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        • makagutu says:

          I don’t care whether or not you address any of them. On SB blog, you said I should read the link. I went to your blog and I was more than disappointed.
          And if you missed something, am not responsible for the observations my friends make about you or any other religious person.

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        • Keep talkin’ stud! I love my men irate. You big hunk of man, you.

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          • I lost all respect for him when he admitted on Violet’s blog that he condones crimes against humanity in the name of his god.

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          • makagutu says:

            He is a strange fellow

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          • Though, a strikingly handsome one. 🙂

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          • The dude just wants to pick fights. He was trying to post on my blog and I wouldn’t let him, so he got pissed. Then he jumps all over me here because I agree with Mak’s assessment of his meandering, silly blog post. Scripture is an authoritative source because scripture says it is. Brilliant. He’s a childish, silly boy who’s wrapped in a narcissistic, arrogant shell of a man, a man who has no definite place in the world but to attempt to aggravate others. Like the non-existent invisible guy he claims to worship, he would benefit greatly from a long/permanent stay in psych hospital and very high doses of Thorazine.

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          • makagutu says:

            I have a suspicion if he was in an asylum, he would convince his fellow inmates that it is the docs who are mad and might get offended if even the mad dont buy his bs

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          • Right. Why put the other folks there through the torment of having him around to argue about everything. Maybe a nice isolated island will keep the world safe from him. Though, I’m sure he’d find a way to aggravate the indigenous life forms on the too.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            That, of course, is due to his belief that his god can do no wrong.
            God said it.
            That settles it.

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          • Yep, how original, right? o_O

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          • “Scripture is as scripture says.” Forrest Gump

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          • LOL — compliments what Noel pointed out in his post — this belief that the bible is the word of god because the bible says so.

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          • Yep. I know the Qur’an is the true and only word of god because it says so in the Qur’an. And people wonder why we have religious zealots killing people over their “faith.”

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          • makagutu says:

            You can’t beat that, at least not with reason

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Actually, on his blog, he took it a step further – he explained that the original meme was,
            God said it.
            I believe it,
            That settles it.

            But that it really didn’t matter if he believed it or not, that,
            God said it.
            That settles it.

            was the more accurate.

            I tried explaining to him that his god never “said” anything – that superstitious, scientifically-ignorant, Bronze Age men said that their god said some things, but we had only their anonymous word for it. And as he also said,
            “If a person must rely on the testimony of men to give approval of the scriptures, then that person will always be at the mercy of another man’s learning.

            He didn’t care much for my throwing that back at him. And one wonders why he’s on a rampage –?

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          • makagutu says:

            I think trying to convince him he is relying on testimony of anonymous people whom he can’t examine their motives is like trying to get milk from a bull

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          “It’s people like ……….. and ColorStorm that keep me believing in post-natal abortion.”

          “After all, Christ was said to have a devil, Paul a madman” – both mental issues – it would seem that’s a major prerequisite to becoming religious.”

          Yeah – those two are mine – rather proud of them actually.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        He lets some of them through, that don’t directly challenge his Owner’s Manual.

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        • makagutu says:

          I laughed when he said you can’t spell his name and that was in caps

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I laughed when he said you can’t spell his name” – Yeah, well, CS is all about drama – thus the lion for a symbol and the flamboyant name, which frankly reminds me of the time a paint truck got hit by a freight train – now THAT was a colorstorm! So I like to do what I can to bring him down a peg. BTW, what did Yeshua say about the kind of pride CS demonstrates via his ego?

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          • That it was merely a shield to hide his true feminine nature? If he didn’t he should have, cause this fella smells like hyacinths in heat.

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          • makagutu says:

            That was a colorstorm!
            Yeshua for most times wasn’t known to answer questions. Only spoke in parables not to be understood.

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        • He and I do everything together “man-ually”, if ya catch my drift. There’s sexy, and then there’s CS. He may appear rude, ignorant, and abrasive on the outside, but believe you me, on the inside, he’s all lady-like.

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          A couple, he has added his “Editor’s Notes,” but the one’s he deletes, he calls blasphemy! On his site, it’s always 1984!

          Was that honest enough for you, Colostrum?

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          • “Where did he go? You didn’t run him off, did you? Forgive me for saying so, but you WERE coming across as being just a little needy –” And don’t worry bout our little girl too much, arch. She’ll be back once she feels all manly again inside her kitty suit.

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          • Blasphemy, isn’t that one of the victimless crimes?

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            I’m reminded of the man who thought he was god. His reasoning was that everytime he prayed, he realized he was talking to himself.

            Blasphemy is a lot like that.

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          • CS and I are enjoying a nice warm bath together in preparation of our upcoming gay marriage. In time, CS will lighten his Neanderthal-ish ways. He’s half way to becoming a gay Wicken as I write. He’s such a hunk of a man-ape. I love him so. 🙂

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Inspired, I rarely comment to you, but I hope you aren’t offended by that – the truth is, that after one of your comments, I’m nearly always left with no idea of what to say —

            That’s not a bad thing, it’s just – a thing!

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          • No problemo, my friend. After one of my comments, I’ve no idea where it came from, so I understand. I do think I’ve scared poor CS off, however. See, when someone argues from a place that says the bible is inerrant, to me, that’s open warfare on them, and any ridiculous argument or nonsense I can toss right back at them is just as true and logical as the sh*t they’re tossing at me. Such an argument is an argument from stupidity, ignorance, and childish arrogance, and all gloves are off. I, too, can write fantastically elaborate nonsense. And, I’m happy to do so, because that is all their argument based on the inerrant truth of their bible deserves.

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          • archaeopteryx1 says:

            Actually, I’m rather sorry to see CS go too, as I invited a rather, shall we say unusual friend over to help you out – CS actually banned him from his site. I can’t imagine why, Pauli is SUCH a pussy-cat, in much the same way that the Tasmanian Devil is the Easter Bunny!

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          • I imagine ole Cs will be back. He’s a glutton for punishment, and, he’s about the biggest self-loving narcissist I’ve come across since Silence of Mind. His true colors, those of the effeminate kitty he is, have truly shown themselves here. He wanted a fight, but when flirt came to flirt, he couldn’t stomach it. If he’s gonna jerk someone off, he needs to develop the good taste to finish him off before he tucks tail and runs back to his cloistered hole. Either that, or he needs to keep his bronze age ass away from normal people’s blogs.

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    • I know she’s a he, arch. That’s what turns me on about him. Guy is HOT!!!! You should read the sexy things he says to me in private! SEXY!!!

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    • strange isn’t it, I thought colonstorm was a she, too. his posts read so effete.
      anyway, this is the queen that was freaking out over a norman rockwellesque type commercial for tylenol that was gay inclusive.
      https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/norman-rockwell-approves-of-this-message/

      colonstorm was having a total hissy fit over this, claiming norman Rockwell would never have approved.
      how the hell does colonstorm know what Rockwell would have approved of? the commercial was endorsed by Rockwell’s granddaughter, whom I’m sure would know more about what he would approve of than colonstorm.

      anyway, he/she/it, whatever colonstorm may be, tried in vain to use norman Rockwell to bash gays and gay marriage and I’m sure if norman Rockwell were alive today, he would be scratching at the lid of his coffin to get out.

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  3. john zande says:

    I think you meant Pilate, not Pirate 😉 Although i would like to know why the central power of the day and place would bother talking to a renegade rabbi.

    Apart from that, I love circular reasoning. The bible is true because the bible says so. Period!

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  4. “If pride is the father of unbelief, call me proud.” You’re proud, brother, and I loves ya fer it! BTW, why is the Bible the correct, unquestionable word of god, and not the Qur’an? I sort of need a REALLY convincing argument on this before any discussion on the said perfect word of the Bible, and that particular book’s take on god, can commence.The Bible and the Qur’an are NOT compatible. For one to be right, the other must be wrong. Jesus is or is not god and the Messiah. Paul either is a Saint, or a blasphemous infidel. Which is correct and why? Why should I take the christian’s word on what god is and wants and not the Muslim’s? Are christians smarter than Muslims? I needs these answers.

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  5. ladysighs says:

    I did read your (long) post. It is a good one. But I think you should have stuck with your first thought and just posted: BS 🙂

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  6. I cannot help but be amazed by people in the 21st Century, many of them fairly well educated in the status of knowledge about the world that we have today, picking out one myth cycle from some group of primitive tribesmen and declaring it the absolute infallible statement of the infinite Source Of All! WTF?

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  7. archaeopteryx1 says:

    Funny story! Colostrum issued a new post today, and I went on there with the following comment:

    Yeah, yeah, written by guys who never met him, 50 years after his death – I shouldn’t have to repeat myself.

    BTW, you wouldn’t believe the fun we’re having at your expense over on Mak’s blog – you probably shouldn’t have popped over there yesterday and mouthed off!

    CS deleted the second paragraph. Anyone surprised?

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  8. I’ve saved this post in my reader and realized that I haven’t yet stopped by to thank you for the link to my post.

    Your post is spot on. Behind all the flowery language there’s just a simple statement of him thinking God exists for no other reason than…God exists. And yet he still cannot admit on his blog, your blog, or my blog that he’s relying on third party testimony for his faith.

    The saddest thing? He’s par for the course.

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  9. archaeopteryx1 says:

    From Colorstorm’s site – you might find this amusing:

    My response to Insanitybytes:
    It is also quite irrational to deny the existence of God while also trying to portray Him in a negative light.” – I don’t believe David is trying, IB, to portray your supernatural magic man in a negative light, but rather the superstitious, scientifically-ignorant Bronze Age men who concocted him from bits and pieces of other, older religions, such as that of Ahura Mazda.

    Ahura Mazdā is identified with the beneficent spirit and directly opposed to the destructive one. He is all-wise, bounteous, undeceiving, and the creator of everything good. The beneficent and evil spirits are conceived as mutually limiting, co-eternal beings, the one above and the other beneath, with the world in between as their battleground. In late sources (3rd century BC and onward), Zurvān (“Time”) is made the father of the twins Ormazd and Ahriman (Angra Mainyu) who, in orthodox Mazdaism, reign alternately over the world until Ormazd’s ultimate victory.

    Something of this conception is reflected in Manichaeism, in which God is sometimes called Zurvān, while Ormazd is his first emanation, Primal Man (Adam?), who is vanquished by the destructive spirit of darkness but rescued by God’s second emanation, the Living Spirit (Jesus?).
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/10323/Ahura-Mazda

    Mazda was a Persian god – you may or may not remember the Persians (Iranians) – they conquered Babylon and freed the captive Jews – do you really think they weren’t influenced by the Persian religion?

    CS’ response:
    EDITORS NOTE- I AM ALLOWING THIS TO STAND (ALBEIT MOMENTARILY BEFORE IT REACHES THE TRASH) SO ALL CAN SEE THE HEIGHTS OF ABSURDITY AND THE DEPTHS OF DEPRAVITY TRAVELLED TO COMMENT ON A POST HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE OR WORTH.

    THIS IS PERFECT PROOF WHY SOME COMMENTERS NEED SCREENED.

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    • “THIS IS PERFECT PROOF WHY SOME COMMENTERS NEED SCREENED.” I want screened, too! What does “screened” do? Is it a beverage? A cookie flavor? Is it CS’s lawyer? Does Mr. Screened torture commentators CS doesn’t like? I think it would make a great title for a horror film: “They mocked a christian bigot, and, now, they will have to deal with the monster known only as SCREENED–Ahhhhh!!!” Coming soon to a cineplex near you.

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      My response to CS:
      Your boundless wisdom, CS, is eclipsed only by by your limitless kindness – however, in all fairness, and I can’t envision you as anything other than the epitome of fairness – I don’t quite see my comment as “HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE,” as it was simply a response to Insanitybytes’ comment, thus if mine had no relevance to the topic, neither did hers, yet I notice that she was never chastened in such a harsh and demeaning manner —

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    • makagutu says:

      Why is editor’s note always in caps. He sure likes to scream

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