Who decided to delete my comments because I disagreed with him.
In my first comment I told him, I thought his argument was bad, regardless of his education. In my village those who call themselves Dr. are either medics or men and women who have shown their supervisors they have a mastery in a particular field. For fuck sake it is a Doctor of Philosophy! Logic should come with it.
The argument that because men have designed watches, the universe is designed but with one designer is a bad inference.
If one is going to argue that the universe has a designer because we have cars which have been designed, then this person must grant that the universe has had several designers to its current state. If they don’t grant this they are guilty of special pleading. Every watch is an improvement and work of many hands and if this is the inference we are going to use, then there have been many gods each improving the work of the previous god.
Natural theology takes a very special kind of ignorance; a trained, blinkered, perfectly selective ignorance.
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I like both the quote and your comment. It is a special kind of ignorance
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I’m quoting myself 🙂
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You’re a bright guy. You should quote yourself. 🙂
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LOL!
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Super. I do that to myself every once in a while
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As one must!
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Don’t encourage the believers. I don’t like hearing WLC
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Jesus promised his peeps they’d be able to ingest poison without harm. I wonder if our internist would be willing to demonstrate the power of his faith by taking up his Lord and Savior’s offer.
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I’ll pay to watch that.
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I will for him/ her to perform it
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Whoever said we were hard to entertain? 😉
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they haven’t visited us
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That and the “alter challenge” would make a great double feature.
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I challenged crazy-mad Colorstorm to it a few weeks ago. Offered to fly up to the States and meet him. He declined the invitation.
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Strange! I wonder why? Seems these people don’t even possess the faith of a mustard seed! 🙂
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He didn’t say you shouldn’t tempt god?
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I think he was trying to argue that god doesn’t perform tricks, to which I answered, of course he does: the altar challenge!
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I have been waiting to hear one guy who will just try this.
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Coward. Idjit. And windbag. Period. That’s what this dude is. Who designed god? If complex things by their nature must have a single designer because they’re so complex, surely god is more complex than the universe he designed. Thus, he must, too, have been designed. Who designed it? If god always just “was”, then why couldn’t what is have always been in one form or another? Why is it a single god designed the universe and not 80 of the same species of gods? Why is it the christian god that designed the universe and not the Muslim god or any other? Idiocy + cowardice = a-hole.
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Besides the designer of the watch does not design the car, nor the thermos flask nor the bread slicer. There must be many gods responsible for all these things
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That’s another great point. Apologetics are for idjits.
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I left a comment on his blog. I wonder if he’ll nibble…
The whole argument from design is crap. Watches can be verified to have been made by humans. They can’t independently verify that a creator made anything. What’s worse is that he’s trying to tell Christians that it’s a good argument. And they’ll buy it.
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And much faster than they’d ever buy any human made watch, too. 🙂
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We now have the ultimate get rich quick scheme:
Step 1: Make cheap watches.
Step 2: Put “Made by God” stickers on them.
Step 3: PROFIT!
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That sounds like a great business plan. Am sold
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Brilliant! Simply brilliant.
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Funny thing the title of his post is a discussion with the atheist and when one comments he deletes. Maybe he took issue with my telling him his reasoning is bad despite his doctorate degree
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I noticed the irony! He’s willing to talk to atheists…as long as they don’t talk back.
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And I don’t know which atheist this was who has not seen it prudent to continue their previous discussion leaving all of us to make guesses
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Probably was Jesus. Few know this, but that dude is the biggest atheist outside of Dawkins, especially for a guy who isn’t real. A paradoxical and ironic truth, I know, but true nonetheless. 🙂
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Maybe god himself. Remember when he said there is no god but I. He was atheist to all other gods
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If he even has a doctorate degree. Oh, BTW, I have a Nobel and 3 Pulitzer prizes to my name. 🙂
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You are doing well. What prize is left for you now?
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An Academy Award. I was ROBBED this year, once again! BASTARDS!!
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Did you already get the Grammy’s?
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2, but I forgot what categories I won for.
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maybe most handsome? 😛
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Or most likely to be handsome if he tries harder?
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sounds more like it, didn’t want to say it to offend fellow last prophet
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That’s it! I got a Grammy for “Least Likely To Be Offended By Jokes About His Appearance From A Fellow Last Prophet.”
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Your Oscar should be on the way and any other prize not thought of as yet
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Thanks. You’re kind to tell me that. 🙂
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And a presidential medal of honour?
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Half of one. I committed only half an honorable act, so the medal was cut in two. Second half was given to a woman named Bertha Bicklestein. Don’t know what for, but it had something to do with clam shells. 🙂
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Hahahaha! Half a medal is better than no medal
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Yeah. I suppose you’re right.
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Piled higher and Deeper.
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I guess you are right
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If there’s an ounce of logic in him, he should be willing to at least admit to the possibility.
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When I made that suggestion in the comments he deleted, he didn’t admit to it
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I wonder if anyone else notices the discrepancy between the title ‘Continuing our discussionwith the atheist’ with the utter lack of any discussion and no commentary by THE atheist.
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I just told SB the same thing. The particular atheist has refused to stand up
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Yeah, but theists don’t notice it because they’re already primed for these one-sided conversations with their imaginary friend.
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Oh yeah, it is like once one believe there is a devil always opposing his deeds, everything else is believable
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Ha! He’s changed the title to “Discussion with the Person Who Believes that God doesn’t Exist” and deleted his comment about how much atheists hate Jesus.
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I saw the subject matter changed and he has CS as one of the commentors. I think that fellow is really confused
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Agreed! He doesn’t understand how atomic clocks work, either.
But then again, when has scientific ignorance ever stopped apologists from making bad arguments?
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It never stops them
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lovely argument. I may have to borrow it.
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i will start charging 😛
thanks my friend
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If one publishes, then one should expect dissent. It’s that simple. Otherwise, join a cult where no one is allowed to think for themselves. Good job, my Nairobi brother! 🙂
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especially if you are addressing atheists, they should have a right of reply at the very minimum
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Or any other groups! 🙂
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I dropped a comment. Doubt it will make publication. I copied it though 🙂
“You know, if you keep travelling forward, you will soon run right into your own asshole. Your reasoning is that circular. I don’t know what kind of moron thinks the watchmaker argument holds water, but I suspect they are really edumacated!”
His comment section only has 3 comments. This is his own comment:
“Thatâs a good one. You wouldnât believe the comments I get from atheists about the blog!
They HATE Jesus.
Terrible.
He STILL loves them!
Love, Bob”
My gosh they really think we hate their non existant sky fairy don’t they? I find it difficult at best to hate things that don’t exist. Damned leprechauns and unicorns! Always fucking up my days! I will get even though one day…just you wait and see lol.
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If your comment survives till now, then maybe Jeebus really does love you
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PhD in satirical writing perhaps? ‘Cause that is a joke post. Isn’t it?
You know you are losing brain cells every time you engage with that sort of thing, don’t you?
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Keith, I promise I will stop responding to some of these people. How does one have a PhD and do so bad in such basic logic?
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Hey man, your brain cells. Do what you will with them…what they will with them…never mind. Anyway, this guy is probably a doctor of divinity – another linguistic quirk like the ones in the previous sentence. One needn’t be a logician to be a Dr. of divinity. It may be counterproductive, in fact.
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You’re very right about that, and I’ll bet that’s exactly what this fellow is.
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[…] Noel Oyango’s blog, I came across a couple posts [first, second] from the blog of Dr. Robert Gullberg suggesting what […]
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Interesting discussion. Are humanists welcome?
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anyone is welcome here, anytime
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