On logic and additional thoughts on definitions


He had a better mind and a more rigorous temperament than me; he thought logically, and then acted on the conclusion of logical thought. Whereas most of us, I suspect, do the opposite: we make an instinctive decision, then build up an infrastructure of reasoning to justify it. And call the result common sense.”
― Julian Barnes, The Sense of an Ending

Yesterday I wrote on definition of atheism. The OP did a rebuttal to my post. The link is here. Since I have responded to most of it on his blog, I see no reason to rehash it here. I however would like to point out something which I think is his failure. He argues that by defining atheism as a lack of belief, this belief includes children and stones.  The first is correct, the second is absurd.

Is there any absurdity in not polling children as atheists? No. It is absurd to call them this or that believer. Or to claim they belong to this or that party. Now that is absurd.

I have tried to make sense of this post, really tried and given it up. If it is an argument against atheism, it is silly. If it is an argument for theism, it has no legs. If it is an attempt at satire, I missed the joke. To argue because there are atheists, god must exist means Santa is real, fairies are real, unicorns exist and so much more. It is silly to say the least.

 

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  3. Romeo says:

    Correction: You have tried to make sense of my post but failed, because you have wandered from the truth.

    Idk. If you have read my last post, but I’ll put it up again:

    God has said:
    Mt 18:6, “But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

    Therefore, if you offend anybody with one of your false teachings…you know what is better for you, do you? These are Jesus’ words. Find the truth, I pray, for heavens sake…and quit leading people astray from God’s word. God will request a payment for every word that you pervert from the Bible….Including the word Hell (Which is an everlasting lake of tormenting fire). You can’t run away from this truth. It’ll haunt you down, if you reject it. If you play with fire, you will get burned.

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    • Truth from the One True Holy Book, The Qur’an: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” The Truth will seek you out. Learn it, or forever burn in the fires of Hell.

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      • Romeo says:

        Is that your God?! So, if someone accepts another religion, that person is done for?! Were does unconditional Love fit into this picture? Were does free will fit into this picture? Have you ever heard Jesus say such words as “never” regarding salvation? Do you really call this truth? If this was truth, half of the earths population, is done for! Were is their hope? Were is their salvation? What is the point of living after such words as “never”, regarding salvation?

        Everlasting fire exists. And it’s your choice to either accept God, or accept someone else that is dead and perish yourself.

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        • From the True Holy Book, The Qur’an: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”

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          • Romeo says:

            Please explain to me these verses in your, so called, “Holy Book”:

            Qur’an, 5:96 “Anything you catch in the sea is lawful for you, and all food from it, for your enjoyment”. What about the deadly or poisonous creatures? Take fir example the puffer fish? Or the poison dart frog? Or the marbled cone snail? Or, blue ringed octopus? Or the stonefish?

            quran 16;68, “bees eat from all variations of fruit this is false. Don’t bees eat from nectar and pollen, instead of fruits?

            quran 36;38 “sun runs to a fixed resting place”. Doesn’t the sun stay on it’s own axis?

            The moon is further away than the stars; quran 71;16 “moon in the midst of 7 heavens” 37;6 “stars in the lowest/nearest heaven”. How is this true if the moon is the nearest natural object to us?

            My Bible says:
            Mt 4:10, “Then said Jesus to him, Get you hence, Satan: for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.”

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          • “The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)
            “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” Yoda

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          • Romeo says:

            You still haven’t answered my question….

            How does hate lead to suffering? Have you ever heard of people losing their “loved ones”? People that they loved, not Hated? How do you explain that?

            How does fear lead to anger? Fear is the opposite of hope. Hope: expectation of good. Fear: expectation of evil. So, how can you be angry at something that you are scared of?

            Have you ever heard of: “Who God loves, those He punishes”? Because, would you rather be punished here on earth for correction, or in the lake of tormenting fire forever?

            How do christians say that we are the loved ones, if we go to Third world controls and testify of God’s love, thus bring people into God’s kingdom? Why is it that the last words of Christ (Which were the most important ones) were: Go to all the nations and places in the world and preach the Gospel to ALL people? So, are we the loved ones, or does God love everyone?

            Answer my first questions, regarding your flawed scriptural texts….

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          • “If you end your training now — if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did — you will become an agent of evil.”

            – Yoda, circa 1980

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          • Romeo says:

            Lol. You still haven’t replied to my responses. Does your quran not have the answers?! Didn’t you call it the “holy book”? What happened?! Did it just lose it’s strength or value?

            If your “book” has flaws and mistakes that you can’t even prove to be correct, then what to say about your God muhammad? Wouldn’t, in this case, he be considered dead?!

            Circa 1980 tells it all. Looks like your book has been written in 1980. Lol

            Are you gonna answer my questions?

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          • Dude, I’m screwin’ with ya. How the hell would I know those answers? I’m not Muslim. I’m a Google junkie. You’re a good sport brother. I likes ya! 🙂

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          • Romeo says:

            What do you believe in? Because, I kind think your lost. You seem to be quite an uneducated fellow.

            It seems like you didn’t understand my post, did you?

            If unicorns do not exist, is there a reason to go around calling yourself an Exunicornist?

            If God doesn’t exist, is there a reason to go around calling yourself an Atheist?

            If there are such people that put in their effort and time into calling themselves Atheists, then doesn’t that conclude something? Doesn’t that conclude that God must exist? I mean, do you see Exunicornists anywhere? Do, you see Exsantaclauses anywhere? What does that conclude? The only way somebody would call themselves an Exunicornist, is if they hate unicorns. Now, how can you hate something that doesn’t exist? But, if you do hate them, then doesn’t that conclude that they exist? So, what are atheists?

            Seems brilliant doesn’t it?

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          • No. It doesn’t. You’re not only uneducated, you’re a gullible oaf. You bit the worm I tossed out for you, and didn’t even know it. Here ya go Einstein, let’s keep playin’. It’s making me aroused.
            “Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.”

            – Yoda

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          • Romeo says:

            Lol.

            What I did, was just use your words against yourself. You do believe in the quran, and you still have no reply whatsoever to the flaws in the “book” that you read.

            Who said I bit it? Did you not bite it?

            One man has said: “A dog barks whenever it’s master is being attacked. I’d be a coward if I saw that God’s truth is attacked and yet, would remain silent.”

            Are you a coward, or are you going to stand up for your “god”?

            You are lost and uneducated, aren’t you?

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

            “For never was a story of more woe than this of Juliet and her Romeo.”

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          • Romeo says:

            So, your a coward. Not a single word spoken in defending your muhammad. Interesting…..So, why is it that you believe the quran?

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi
            “Good night, good night! parting is such sweet sorrow,
            That I shall say good night till it be morrow.”

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          • Romeo says:

            May God bless you to discover the truth 🙂

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

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          • Romeo says:

            Truth for the lost is foolishness.

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

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          • Romeo says:

            You haven’t answered not one of my questions. So, what makes you think that I’ll answer yours?

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

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          • Romeo says:

            You haven’t answered not one of my questions. So, what makes you think that I’ll answer to yours?

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

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          • Romeo says:

            You haven’t answered not one of my questions. So, what makes you think that I’ll answer to yours?

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          • “Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

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          • makagutu says:

            I would like to meet Obi Wan. Clever guy he seems to me

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          • Unlike Romeo who failed to see this is a rhetorical question not requiring an answer. Of course, a fool wouldn’t know what a rhetorical question were if it bit him on the ass, like this one did, 50 times. Having b-fast with Obi Wan right now. He says hi.

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          • makagutu says:

            Greet Obi for me.

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          • Will do. We’re off to cut down some trees with our lightsabers now.

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          • makagutu says:

            Plant two where you cut 😛

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          • makagutu says:

            This applies more to you than anyone on this thread

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          • Romeo says:

            One who is lost and who rejects the truth, would say: “This applies more to you than anyone on this thread.”

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          • No one who is stupid pretends his idea of truth is absolute. But see if it was absolute it would be irrefutable and since a single word is mistranslated that proves it is refutable and has already been refuted.

            Oppps sorry big words
            bible dumb and bible made by man

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          • Romeo says:

            That is your first mistake. By rejecting the Bible, you reject God with your audacious behavior. Every act and every word will be taken into consideration on that Holy day of judgement. You will give account for every bad deed. Mark my words. If you dont want to believe as of right now, you will find out about the everlasting fire. Because, if you keep rejecting His word, do you know we’re you are going to go?

            By saying “The Bible is dumb”, you reject God. If you reject His word, you reject God.

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          • I reject YOUR bible and YOUR version of god. Yes, yes I DO.

            Wow guys he understood something. Wow fucking miracles! Praise his false DOG! oh dialectic god

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          • makagutu says:

            Are you sure he understood?

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          • Nope but I could hope right?

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          • She (Romea) couldn’t possibly understand. She has the brain of a baked newt. She does make a better Muslim than christian, though. Glad she finally came out of her closet.

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          • makagutu says:

            Every time you repeat this silly line, it goes to trash

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          • I wonder, in their relationship, who wears the trap on, Romea, or Juliet? My money’s on Romea. She admits she’s Muslim by denying the Qur’an is the true word of god.

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          • makagutu says:

            Brilliant, unbeatable logic!

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          • If you reject the Qur’an, you reject God. Thus, by rejecting God’s true words, you’re rejecting him, and condemning yourself to an afterlife in hell. DEAL with realty. Get educated, ya newt, ya.

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          • makagutu says:

            May that god come down herself. I have a few questions for her to answer

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          • Romeo says:

            If you defined God as a “her”, then why are you searching for God’s definition in something? You have already made your first mistake in defining God as a female. Do you really expect God to answer your questions, if you have put God into your poor framework of definition?

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          • She answered my questions and prayers long ago.

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          • Mine too. she gave Romeo a tin of mistakes and taught him that his denial of Allah is proof Allah exists.

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          • Romeo says:

            For every word you shall give account

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          • Yeah my account is full. What do I care your god is a fake. I know the real word of god it’s ashamed you are to stupid to learn it yourself.

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          • Romeo says:

            Your word of God speaks no love, hope, trust, ect. Nothing.

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          • Oh my word speaks endless love not endless damnation and torture that yours does.

            Burn to death false boy.

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          • Romeo says:

            We’re do you see endless love in the words: “Burn to death false Boy”?

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          • because you believe in hell so you can go to it. Me I’ll enjoy lasting love and peace and while I know hell is false you are still welcome to it. So run away and burn forever child.

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          • Romeo says:

            If you don’t believe in something that exists, will that make it cease to exist?

            Have you ever heard of testimonies were people died and they went to hell and seen torment and agonizing pain? They came back to life to testify and talk about it. So, if you don’t belive in Hell, will it then stop existing or would it still exist?

            So, how will you enjoy your listing love snd peace in eternity, if you can’t even show love and peace here on earth? If what you call “Love” is hatred, then what kind of Love are you expecting?

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          • No you believe something exists because of mistranslated word. God’s holy word, the same holy word Jesus knew was the Torah. It is the same holy word Jesus spoke and HELL doesn’t exist in the Torah, it didn’t exist to Jesus and it doesn’t exist period.

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          • Romeo says:

            Your words contradict themselves. Word is one word. I understand how someone can mistral slate one word. But Jesus talked about Hell in more than 2 chapters in the Bible. How can 1/4 of the Bible be mistranslated? Hell does exist. Jesus spoke about Hell quite often. Why don’t you want Hell to exist?

            If there is no Hell, then what is the point of judgement day? What is the point of working out your salvation with fear and trembling? What is the point of good and wrong, if there is no hell?

            You are saying that he’ll doesn’t exist, because you don’t want to go there. But by your closing your eyes from the sun, will it make the sun stop shining?

            Hell existed to Jesus….because he spoke of hell many times. Not just words but stories. For every word and action, you shall give account.

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          • Jesus spoke of SHOEL and not HELL.
            Jesus was a JEW
            Jews speak HEBREW
            Jews believe in the TORAH
            the Messiah fulfilled the TORAH
            The TORAH is in HEBREW
            Wow so Jesus spoke the word SHOEL and the same asinine Greeks made the word hell!

            Jesus never spoke of hell not once he spoke of SHOEL.

            Yup, you’re that stupid.

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          • You have to forgive him. He’s a recently converted Muslim with a tin of mistakes.

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          • Romeo says:

            Once again, Jesus’ words:

            Mt 13:42, “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

            Mt 8:12, “But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

            Mt 24:51, “And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

            Mt 18:9, “And if your eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”

            Mt 25:41, “Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”

            Mk 9:43, “And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:”

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          • Mistranslated from his spoken word in HEBREW to Greek translated wrongly. Simple enough an earthworm gets it how about you? No? Proof then an earthworm is smarter.

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          • I love your logic Michelle. We now have an earthworm Muslim on the site because he denies he’s an earthworm Muslim. Awesome.

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          • hahaha I love you guys!

            I spit coffee out of my nose. Well onto my computer screen but hey it wipes off.

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          • Kinda like Romeo’s logic. It may smell, but like a good wank, you can wipe it off with a Kleenex. He’s alright for a Muslim who converted to Islam by denying that Allah and the Qur’an are true and righteous.

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          • Romeo says:

            An earthworm does not get it, because it knows the truth. Do some research. History itself tells us that the Bible was written in Greek. Did you ever try researching this?

            History says:
            Greek was the language everyone spoke at the time. Even the Jews spoke Greek, and most Jews could not actually read Hebrew. The Letter to the Hebrews, directed to Jewish Christians, has Greek that “is in many ways the best in the New Testament”. Matthew might have originally been written in Aramaic.

            The New Testament wasn’t written in Hebrew?

            Many people assume that the New Testament was written in Hebrew as well, but by the time the gospels were being written, many Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew anymore. Rome had conquered Greece, and the influence of Greek culturehad saturated the empire. What’s interesting about Biblical Greek is that it didn’t use a high-class or complicated style; it was written in koine (common Greek), a language that could be understood by almost anyone, educated or not.

            Do your research…

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          • Think about the utter stupidity of what you just said? The Jews could not read their own language. I mean it may be believable since you can’t read English nor reason well but Jews are generally more educated than you.

            Earthworms do get it they now pray to the right god and they know they won’t burn in hell.

            Jews have spoken, read and written Hebrew for over 4000 years. it is and has always been so. also at the time of Jesus the Greeks were conquered by Rome and so was Israel. EVERYONE spoke Roman and not Greek. But the Hebrews spoke Hebrew and Roman.

            You should learn history as Hebrew is the oldest continuously spoken language on earth as well as the oldest surviving written language still in use today.

            Sorry pal a few facts to spoil your little fantasy.

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          • Romeo says:

            What is more trustworthy? Your words or history?

            Did you know that there is no such thing as a Roman language? Romans spoke Latin, not Roman.

            You haven’t even researched the history in order to know history. Go on Google and type in New Testaments Original language. If you find Hebrew anywhere, give me the link. Let me know, if your assumption is correct or not. Nice try though!

            Old Testament was in Hebrew. New Testament was in Greek.

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          • history is more trustworthy when it’s accurate and your version is NOT accurate nor truthful so my words in this case.

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          • Romeo says:

            Would you like a link to it?

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_New_Testament

            https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/06/what-was-the-original-language-of-the-bible/

            http://www.bible-researcher.com/semasiology.html

            I do have more links if you prefer more.

            Who said that this is my version? This is History. Learn history….ots helpful!

            Your opinion is nothing compared to history and truth.

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          • Learn to read it’s helpful you Inet sources aren’t credible anyway. They still don’t change the FACT that SHOEL was mistranslated to your supposed holy bible and work of god himself. How can god have made a mistake SHOEL is the word.

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          • We’ve answered this but one more time since you THINK you stumped me.

            1) Jesus died 4BC and the bible (new testament) was written in GREEK and translated from word of mouth spoken in HEBREW which was he native tongue of JESUS.

            2) Six years of orally passing hebrew person to person before the new testament even began to be assembled.

            3) The old testament is a translation of the TALMUD and TORAH both written in HEBREW and also translated to GREEK.

            SO the bible was written in GREEK we have already agreed on that days ago on YOUR blog. BUT the GREEK is actually translated old testament from written HEBREW and new testament from oral HEBREW. WHY? Because Jesus was a Jew, the Torah and Talmud are the holy works of the Jews and both were HEBREW!

            There is your pathetic argument destroyed Maka, inspired, anyone else not follow that or is it ONLY Romeo?

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          • Romeo says:

            Huh, you never answered my question:

            So, do we have to fulfill the whole Torah by stoning people or is the New Testament the living word of God?

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          • I already answered you links go away child you are bothering me.. You are to stupid to talk to so I’m done. You were beaten hours ago, even days if we go back to our original conversation.

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          • Romeo says:

            An unanswered question is a sign of defeat. Are you going to answer it or not? Were you wrong or were you right with stoning people to death?

            You never gave me any replies. Looks like you are in a dead end. Do you have anything to say regarding that false doctrine that you have been teaching?

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          • I have never propertied to believe in stoning anyone not once. Answer my question that is asked you more than 2 days ago and I’ll give you the next one to answer. They are YES or NO.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, the Torah is not the correct word of God, is it? If it us the word of God, then you have to fulfill all of it don’t you? Now, why don’t you stone people to death?!

            If the Torah is not the word of God, then isn’t the New Testament the word of God?

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          • I haven’t said that stay with me now answer the second question I asked.

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          • Romeo says:

            Why aren’t you doing everything the Torah tells you to do? Why are you not fulfilling everything?!

            We have a problem here….It seems like the Torah is not the living word of God, is it?! So, If it’s not, what is?

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          • makagutu says:

            In my village they say if you should go to the river to bathe and a mad man took your clothes, it is better for you not to run after them shouting for help. Instead, discretely let them be and seek help elsewhere.

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          • If Michelle were naked down by a river, I’d run to help her. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            I would help her anyway

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          • I’m hoping she’d help me. 🙂

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          • Jesus was Jew and Jews spoke HEBREW. The original WRITING of your false book was in GREEK.

            true Romans spoke Latin. One point for you or should I pull a Romeo and deny deny deny even in the face of fact just as you deny the very origin of jesus by pretending he spoke Greek.

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          • Romeo says:

            History says it all. You can’t escape history.

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          • “you can’t escape history”

            Wow he said something smart and Jews have spoken Hebrew for 5000 years, written it for 4000 and EVERY Jew until about WWII spoke Hebrew fluently. They could read and write it fluently.

            Jesus was a Jew, Jesus spoke HEBREW!

            You also claimed lands under Roman law for a century would speak Greek? When Israel never spoke Greek they did learn latin as a second language to communicate with the Roman governors.

            Nice try but see history refutes you too.

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          • Romeo says:

            History: If the Roman Government spoke Latin and greek. Then for people who studied there, what language did they write in? I speak russian, but I go to school on America. And in America you are taught to wrote in English. So, what do I write in? English of course! Same thing with the new testament writers. If they were taught in Rome, then wouldn’t they be writing in Greek? Plain and simple.

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          • As an American I read and wrote 5 languages by the time I was 9, I’ve learned 3 more by age 22. I have learned 2 more since then. I also sign, read lips in 3 languages and with my CI implants I now speak English as well. I was born deaf so I never learned to speak all the languages I can read and write. Your point is?

            Well the point is at 31 I now read and write 10 languages, I speak sign and English and I read lips in 3. That is the point.

            Greek was never spoken in Israel though evidence does say Latin was for a period of time and Arabic was for a time when the Muslims conquered Israel and by Muslims who have lived there since.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, just because you know Hebrew, you will be saved and everyone else will perish?! How selfish is that? What have you got to say about half the world that doesn’t speak Hebrew?! There is a reason why the new testament Bible is written in Grrek.

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          • Nope because I know Hebrew I also know when it was mistranslated by man. meaning it is no longer if it ever was the actual word of god since god said “grave” not “hell”

            Still can’t see you lost?

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          • Romeo says:

            What does “ALL SCRIPTURE” mean? ALL SCRIPTURE = Hell.

            So, what sin do you do that you don’t want there to be hell?

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          • “An earthworm does not get it, because it knows the truth.” Then as far as Muslim earthworms go, you’re pretty dumb, Romea, cause you obviously don’t get it.

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          • Allah exists, yet you refuse to believe in him. Thus, you prove he is real and the only true god. Thanks for clearing that up, you uneducated newt.

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          • Your denial that her god speaks no words of love is proof that her god speaks words of love. For a Muslim gal, you’re pretty bright.

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          • As will you: From the Qur’an: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
            Sorry, loser. You’re going to hell. Bad place for newts with tins of mistakes. Hot and dry down there. Mmmm! I smell your flesh burning now. Allah’s gonna love cooking you. Baked newt is delicacy in the true heaven

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          • My legs are open and ready for you to worship Maka,

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          • makagutu says:

            Don’t move an inch.

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          • Yummy. Oh, did you know that denial of Allah’s existence is proof He exists? Awesome, eh?

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          • He proved his own book wrong look for check mate. 🙂

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          • Well, if he proved his own book wrong, then denies he proved it wrong, by his logic, that would make it correct. See? For a guy with a tin of mistakes, he sure can reason well.

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          • makagutu says:

            But why would Mo[pbuh] require any defending. It says in the Koran it comes from god. What more is needed?

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          • Romeo says:

            If your god made a tin of mistakes in the, so called, “holy book”…wouldn’t you think he has an answer for it? If the book is flawed, wouldn’t you expect the writer to be flawed? If the writer is flawed and makes mistakes, then isn’t your faith dead? If your faith is dead, what more is needed?

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          • A “tin” of mistakes? Is that like a tin of cookies? A tin of mistakes. Beautiful. Just beautiful. Dude went to the university of idjitory.

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahaha. JZ should know of this university. It must be a divinity college somewhere

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          • It’s in Texas. The Texas Divinity School of Idjitry. Upon enrollment you get a free lobotomy and two free M16’s to kill non-christians who may question your idiotic beliefs.

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          • makagutu says:

            How does he live with himself with such amount of stupid

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          • Baffling. Though his disbelief in Allah does at least confirm Allah is the One True God. At least he’s taught us that.

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          • makagutu says:

            Sad thing is he can’t see any conclusion can be drawn from his assertions

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          • Yes. Thing is, it’s so simple to see that, yet he doesn’t. He’ll keep asking us to defend Islam too, because he won’t get we’re fucking with him even though I’ve told him that repeatedly. Idjit.

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          • Amen and the KORAN says it’s so

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          • $Amen$ It’s a new way to convert to Islam: Deny the Qur’an is true thus making it true, and bingo! You’re a Muslim gal named Romea. Hot.

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          • He could have go to the satellite school in NY all the same except no guns. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            He must have done his studies online

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          • Nah I think someone hit him in the head with the bible and he rads the words imprinted on his forehead.

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          • makagutu says:

            Looks more like it

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          • Or underground. worms have better logic than Romea.

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahaha. I think this was in the Underground.

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          • Ahh but YOUR book is flawed and proven so SHOEL! Therefore YOUR god by YOUR definition is already proven flawed!!

            Check and MATE!

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          • Yeah more accounting.

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          • makagutu says:

            Why do you have book and god in scare marks?

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          • Romeo says:

            Just so you can read it clearer

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          • Naw. That was just one of your tin of mistakes.

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          • makagutu says:

            Another philosopher said not to mourn a man at his death but at his birth. Romeo needs to be mourned for the entire of his life.

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          • And we for having to share space on the planet with him. Sorry for all the redundant comments my friend. I was having fun baiting the idjit. Fish like this always bite.

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          • makagutu says:

            don’t you worry Jeff. Have fun

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          • Thanks, my brother in Islam. 🙂 I think I’ve REALLY confused poor Romeo. I wonder if Juliet is any brighter than he?

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          • makagutu says:

            I think he is very confused. How do we get him from where he seems to be so lost?

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          • Got to get him to loosen the load in his tin of mistakes first.

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          • He is a waste of air!

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          • Romeo = proof brain not need to live

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          • makagutu says:

            There is little difference between him and a cow. One can live well without being intelligent

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          • Your denial that cows are smarter than Romeo, oh, Romeo, where for art thou, Romeo?, is proof that cows are smarter than Romeo. In their relationship, Romeo is the cow, and Juliet the bull. Boy’s open-minded about that at least.

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          • Great point. He has a fish brain, however because, like a fish, he can’t not bite the bait that’s dangled in front of him. It’s part of his tin of mistakes. I’m selling those online, BTW, if you’re interested.

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          • makagutu says:

            You have a shop for wills, and now tin of mistakes. I am your partner in all this. I will be doing the accounting

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          • Thanks. Let’s have Michelle come on board in some capacity too. I likes her.

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          • I like accounting all the numbers are purdy and when i shake my ass just so men throw money at me. yeah me

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          • makagutu says:

            There was no doubt about her employment.

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          • Very true. Hey, check out this cool-ass phrase I just learned: “For every word you shall give account.” You can use it as a reply whenever you’re conversing with people far smarter than you and you don’t like what they’re saying. Cool huh?

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          • I won’t get to use it much but I’ll save it for sometime if/when I find someone with an IQ above 187.

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          • makagutu says:

            Very cool. I trashed a number of them

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          • Let’s not forget Clint Eastwood said “Tho that I am god, you shall accept the good the bad and the ugly but not the stupid”.

            based on the prophet Clint I reject Romeo because Clint said HE is god! And Clint unlike his invisible god is real, you can touch him and he will get Dirty Harry on you and put one in your brain pan! judgement day has arrived.

            “Bring them to me so I may end your suffering for I shall eliminate stupidity with prejudice and a six shooter.” -The holy and almightly Clint Eastwood

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          • makagutu says:

            You really are a blockhead. Reason can’t get to you.
            The fact that there are theists is not evidence for god. It is evidence for people who believe there is a god. I know you are unable to see this distinction.

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          • Romeo says:

            Were on earth did you see me write this? Do you know the difference between theist and atheist?

            “Theist” is not evidence for God, because “Atheist” Is evidence for God. I know YOU are unable to see THIS distinction.

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          • makagutu says:

            I acknowledge that being dense is not your choice. If you knew it, you would do everything in your power to change it.
            You have argued on your blog, atheists are evidence of god.
            The corollary of that statement is theists are evidence of god. What I am trying to get you to understand, and I am typing this slowly, is that theists are only evidence of people believing there is a god. It is not evidence of a god.

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          • Romeo says:

            Theists are not evidence. Theists carry the evidence for God’s existence. Atheists are by themselves proof for God’s existence. Plain and simple.

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          • Those who deny the existence of Allah are proof for His existence. How dense do you have to be not to see this? Get an education.

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          • makagutu says:

            Mo is not god. He is the prophet of the one True god. I thought this was common knowledge

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          • Romeo says:

            Allah is not the true God. If Allah is not the true God, then MO is nothing but made up baloney….Common knowledge.

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          • Your non-belief in Allah is PROOF of Allah, you tin full of mistakes, you. How dense do you have to be not to see this?

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          • makagutu says:

            So dense he can’t know he is dense

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          • Romeo says:

            How dense do you have to be to understand the fact that I don’t go around claiming myself an Exallah. Your act of Atheism (Rage against something that supposedly “doesn’t exist”) is proof for God’s existence.

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          • Your denial of Allah being the one and only God is proof He is the One and Only God. Put that in your tin of mistakes.

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          • Amen he denies the REAL god….

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          • He does. And his denial of god being female is proof god is female. Awesome.

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          • Amen I am god and if not for that dialectic we’d all be worshiping DOG!

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          • I’d love to worship you as my god.

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          • But the Quran says it is real and that it along IS the true word of god. Heck in the Koran Jesus says the Quran is real and so does Abraham and Mosses. All your prophets plus one says the Quran is the real KORAN!

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          • Great points. Add them to the fact that Einstein here is denying the Qur’an is the true word of god, and it’s a slam dunk deal that the Qur’an IS the true word of god. Perfect. Romeo just confirmed the truth of the Qur’an. Thanks pal. What does Juliet think, I wonder?

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          • You don’t get it your god can kiss my ass but his invisible lips and his imaginary power wouldn’t be felt anyway.

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          • makagutu says:

            I mean his all powerful god can’t make you come! What a waste of power!

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          • Yeah and his invisible sperm isn’t tasty either.

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          • makagutu says:

            Michelle, you are wasting time with Romeo.
            He doesn’t know the difference between where, were and we’re. How would anything meaningful be understood by him.
            Gods for the power said they have are really useless

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          • I like fucking with the little twit. He is so stupid I want it on full display in as many places as possible.

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          • Thing about her is, the more you fuck Romea, the more she comes back for more. She likes getting fucked. Can’t blame her for that. As a Muslim, she doesn’t get it very often.

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          • That’s cause Romea has to live with a tin of mistakes. Uneducated Muslim gals like Romea are to be pitied a bit. Islam is tough on ladies like her.

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          • by saying Romea’s all powerful god can’t make her come, does that mean he can?

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          • makagutu says:

            This is all confusing. I think it is evidence that it can come loads

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          • makagutu says:

            Those words were not said by Jesus. They are an interpolation. His mission was for the Jews and them alone. He had no international pretensions. Paul, that fraud, the apostle of the Gentiles could have said those words, not Jeebus.

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          • Romeo says:

            Mk 16:15, “And Jesus said unto them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

            His mission was not for the Jews alone. Do you know what “every creature” means? Do you know what “All the world” means?

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          • “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.” (Surah 3:19) BTW, I’m fucking around with you. Your disbelief in Allah proves he’s real..

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          • Romeo says:

            My disbelief in Allah is not proof of existence, until I go around looking like an idiot calling myself an Exallah. How on earth do you not understand this fact?

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          • Your denial of Allah is proof of His existence. How dense do you have to be not to see this?

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          • makagutu says:

            Jeff, I think I have understood Romeo. His argument is because he doesn’t say it, he is not making any argument about Allah. We should ask him if he believes Allah, the merciful and benevolent exists.

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          • Ah, correct. That was my tin of mistakes. We must ask him, “Is there no God but Allah, and is Mohammad His only Prophet?” Now I see. He must either agree to this, or, by denying its infallible truth, prove its reality. Cool. Great logic. Thanks for correcting me, Mak. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            If you make an inference from his silly assertions, he says he didn’t say that.

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          • He didn’t say what he said? So, he does believe the Qur’an is the only true word of god? Cool.

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          • makagutu says:

            Basically, we can say he believes Allah is the true god. That on Mt Olympus, sits the Greek gods, that Santa will not bring us presents because we are bad and that you shouldn’t suffer a witch to live among others.

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          • Ah, thanks for clearing that up. This gal/boy is truly an uneducated newt.

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          • Well Exallah get the towel off your head and the cum from your camel out of your eyes and welcome to Islam the only true people of god!

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          • Romeo says:

            Is this endless love?

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          • Yup because you are to stupid to converse yes it is

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          • makagutu says:

            We need to type slowly, I think he is slow and you are all typing too fast for him to understand

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          • Romeo says:

            So how is saying: Get the towel off your face and cum off you camel, an act of “endless love”? If this is the love you are talking about in eternity, do you think this love will be in heaven?

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          • yes for you god will reserve 700 virgins. All of whom will be just like you, male and stupid and they will bukakke you endlessly and you can have all the sperm you desire to drink.

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          • Romeo says:

            Is that love? If you can’t handle God’s love here on earth, what to say about eternity?

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          • Well guys he/she/it I guess decided I am more fun to play with. Maybe I use smaller words for he/she/it

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          • Romeo says:

            No. It’s because, you have taken them off course from true reality. Your the one responsible for what you have done.

            Mt 18:6, “But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

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          • “Best be he who denies Michelle to continue licking his camels penis than to be proven stupid” -Clint Eastwood just now!

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          • Romeo says:

            How is this love?

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          • It is loving to tell you when you should shut you pie hole because you are really showing how utterly stupid you are. And if putting a camel cock in your mouth accomplishes that then its a small price for you to pay just don’t choke they have big loads I hear from other Muslims like you.

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          • Romeo says:

            Would God say something like this? If God wouldn’t say anything like this, then who’s child are you?

            1Jn 3:10, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.”

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          • God said never lie so I can’t you’ve lost. You already said if the words are false the god is false. The OLD TESTAMENT word is SHOEL or grave not HELL as your book has it. PERIOD you lose it’s best you go away now little boy you’ve been beaten by your very own words.

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          • Romeo says:

            We’re did I say that if the words are false then God is false? The old testament word is Shoel. But the new testament word is hell. That is the original.

            I have not been beaten by my own words. You will be held accountable for every word you pervert snd distort.

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          • On June 20, 2015 at 9:24am you said

            “If the book is flawed, wouldn’t you expect the writer to be flawed? If the writer is flawed and makes mistakes, then isn’t your faith dead? If your faith is dead, what more is needed?”

            65 places in the Torah the word is SHOEL and 65 places in the old testament it is HELL. The word is flawed so the writer is flawed and therefore YOUR faith is dead.

            Again Check and Mate!

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          • Romeo says:

            Lol.

            Shoel and Hell are two different words. So, how can you say that it’s a flaw?! It’s not a flaw! If today I talk about ice cream and tomorrow I talk about soup, what’s wrong with that?! What’s so flawed about that?! Aren’t you the one rejecting the Bible? If you reject the Bible, you reject God. Because God has said that:
            2Tim 3:16, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

            ALL SCRIPTURES.

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          • So then the bible is NOT the holy word of god if you can change a single word. Again you lost and are still too stupid to realize it.

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          • Romeo says:

            There is no changed word in the Bible. Just because you don’t accept Hell, it doesn’t mean it was changed! Do you know what ALL SCRIPTURE is? EVERY WORD is inspired by God.

            Why don’t you want hell?

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          • Read your OLD TESTAMENT which JESUS followed and preached and “added to”

            Everywhere you see the word hell the real word in the Torah is SHOEL “grave”. The Hebrews would have used lake of fire or hell if it was anything but grave. Hebrew is a very exact language and leaves no room for misrepresentation nor misinterpretation.

            Now go away you bore me.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, the Old Testament 100% true?

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          • If it’s not then NEITHER is any part of it including Jesus. Think about that before attempting a reply. If the Old Testament is not 100% truth then Jesus is not 100% truth since Jesus was foretold BY the old testament.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, if only the old testament is true…then we have to fulfill the old testament, right? So, let’s get all the kids who call their parents names and stone them how the Old Testament says to do so? Let’s get the Gays and Stine them to death? Let’s get the people who cheat on their spouse, and stone them to death?

            Do, you follow this?! Do, you stone people?! Do, you bring sacrifices?! Because if only the old testament is correct, then let’s do everything it says to do?!

            Let’s stone everyone?! Were is Love?! Were is the Hope?! You yourself has stated that the Bible is incorrect! You have stayed that the Bible is not the true word of God! Well if the Torah is the only true word of God, then let’s follow everything?! Let’s stone all the sinners, shall we?!

            It seems like we have a problem here, don’t we?!

            Check mate.

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          • And now to the pt of stupidity. The old testament is PART of your BIBLE. So either EVERY word is true or as you already said NONE OF IT IS TRUE!

            See either the words are true or they are not and that ONE SINGLE word proves your bible is untrue.

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          • Romeo says:

            Uh…I’m talking about the Torah that you said is 100% true word of God. If it’s true…Let’s stone everyone!?

            Lol

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          • Awesome. You bring the pot, I’ll bring the bong! For A Muslim, you’re OK!

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          • You are so stupid to not know the TORAH IS the OLD TESTAMENT?

            HOLY FUCK BATMAN now I know what’s wrong with this boy!

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          • Romeo says:

            Didnt you say that the Talmud and Torah IS unchanged? So, if it’s unchanged then it’s 100% correct right? So, what are christians supposed to read and fulfill? The Torah and the Talmud? Because if christians were to fulfill the Torah and Talmud, don’t we have to stone people to death? So, are you promoting murder?!

            You see, only the new testament promotes loving your neighbor….and you reject the new testament, because it’s “mistranslated”. Now, that you have downgraded the New Testament, what are christians supposed to read?! Is it the Torah and the Talmud?! So, are you saying that we have to Kill?!

            If you have been reading the Torah and Talmud instead of the Bible, then why aren’t you stoning gay people?! Don’t you have to fulfill all of the Torah snd Talmud?!

            I know the Torah is the old testament. But, since you say the Bible is Misinterpreted (Including the New Testament), then let’s all read the Torah and Talmud for crying out loud! Let’s fulfill everything that is written in it! (Including stoning people)

            You see….either you are right, and we have to stone people to death….Or you are wrong and the New Testament is the truth promoting Love and Hope. Which one is it?

            Check mate. Good luck on this one. Lol

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          • As they stand they are unchanged for 4000 years. When they were translated to the bible in Greek they WERE changed. So “mankind” now ditates the word of god.

            Either your bible is true and therefore the Torah and Talmud MUST ALSO BE TRUE AS WRITTEN IN HEBREW or the bible is not true.

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          • Careful. By saying the bible is not true, by Einstein’s logic here, that would mean it MUST be true. Amazing.

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          • Romeo says:

            You have said yourself that the original Torah and Talmud are unchanged and 100% true, but now you are not sure?!

            Do you even know what you belive in or are you not sure?!

            Let me put it this way:

            There are two possibilities:
            1. The Torah and Talmud are correct, but the Bible is not. Meaning your theory of misinterpreted words is correct. (AND stoning people is needed and has to be fulfilled along with everything the Torah and Talmud say)
            2. The Talmud, Torah, and the New testament is correct and NOT misinterpreted. Thus promotes love and hope into each and every generation and makes your theory WRONG.

            Which one is it? Answer my QUESTION.

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          • Romeo says:

            Hard one isn’t it? Lol

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          • No it’s only hard for you sorry I’m done you’ve proven again you are to stupid to talk to.

            Try harder if you can research supposed history then you should have the brain power to understand anything I said but since it destroys everything you’ve said you simply ignore it. Nice try but everyone reading this knows you lost and how stupid you are is evident to all.

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          • Romeo says:

            Hahaha! ARE YOU GIVING UP?! IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, DO YOU?!

            So, were you incorrect about the misinterpretations or are you correct to the fact were we have to stone you for being gay according to the original Torah?! Which one is it?!

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          • Romeo says:

            Stuck on that one aren’t you?

            You see, you can try to put out the sun how much you want, but it’ll only get put out in your little mind. The sun will shine throughout the land forever more.

            It’s quite amazing seeing people discover the truth. But it is quite saddening seeing people stumble over the truth, get up, and walk away as if nothing has happened.

            What are you hiding from? What sin is it that you do, that you don’t want people to know? What is it you do, that you reject the existence of Hell?

            So, tell me….Is the Bible Misinterpreted and the Torah and Talmud are 100% true, thus promoting stoning people to death…..or is the Bible translated correctly; promoting love and hope?

            Pick: Either Love or death through stoning sinners?

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          • Nope better things to do then play with little minds like yours.

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          • It’s time to toss Romeo back in the pond with the other fish. He’s startin’ to smell. Good luck to him on his path toward salvation with Islam and Allah.

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          • Romeo says:

            Your giving up aren’t you?! Well thank you for proving to me that you are wrong. It was a great pleasure seeing your foolishness. I hope, by God, you discover the truth and not offend the little ones with your outrageous and audacious behaviors and words. My God bless youď

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          • You can’t teach stupid so you are unteachable.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, you are giving up?! Lol. Since you fulfill the Torah, you might as well go start stoning people. I’m going to follow my New Testament that promoted love and kindness with hope and trust. You can start with stoning yourself, if you accept the Torah as the truth but not the New Testament.

            Lol

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          • You never answer a single question and I asked them as simply as possible. Again here is one you NEVER answered.

            It’s a YES or NO and nothing else.

            IS THE BIBLE AS A WHOLE 100% GODS WORDS?

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          • Romeo says:

            Yes. It is. If it were only the Torah, then we should stone everyone to death. If it was both the Torah and the New Testament, then Jesus shows us Love and Mercy…and you are wrong. So, is it death or love?

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          • SO NEXT QUESTION I ASKED WAS.

            DO YOU BELIEVE IF IT IS GODS WORD THAT IT WOULD BE A SIN TO CHANGE EVEN A SINGLE WORD OF IT AS WRITTEN BY GOD?

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          • Romeo says:

            Yes. So, why are you not accepting the whole Torah as the word of God? Why are you rejecting the part about stoning? If the Torah is the true word of God, don’t you have to fulfill everything? Don’t you have to ask someone to stone you because your gay? Why aren’t you fulfilling the whole Torah (Word of God)?

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          • So yes changing even one single word IS a sin.

            The Torah is either true or it is not since it is the old testament and since the entire bible is gods work you can’t change a single word. Someone sinned when they mistranslated it. Period end of story.

            Now for your stoning. No I am not for stoning never have been. Any Christian will tell you the message of Jesus was love. He came to fix the archaic laws and remind us first and foremost of love. He spoke Hebrew, he used and enforced the book which predicted him.

            To say a single word in that book is wrong is to say the messiah himself is wrong.

            SHOEL was changed in YOUR bible. Who sinned? I prefer to see it as a mistake and not intentional changing of GODS word. We need to fight to CORRECT the bibles mistranslations and set it right.

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          • Romeo says:

            Wait a minute….If you say the Torah is not true, then how would you know if the New testament has any misinterpreted words? Because don’t you compare the New Testament with the Torah? You said the Torah has Shoel but the New Testament has hell. So, if the Torah is wrong, then your “misinterpreted” theory is incorrect also, because you can’t compare it to anything.

            So, two choices:
            1. Either the Torah is true and you have to fulfill everything including Stoning people.
            2. Or your theory of misinterpretation is a false hoax, and The New Testament is the 100% true including the word Hell.

            If the Torah is not true, how do you know that the word Hell is mistranslated?!

            Because if the Torah is incorrect, then anybody could have changed the word Shoel also….or its not true as a whole. So, what is it?

            Yes. To say a single word in the Bible is wrong is to say the Messiah Himself is wrong. So, why are you claiming the word “Hell” to be misinterpreted, when you are not even sure if the Torah is correct (including the word Shoel)?

            So, how do you compare if that by which you compare is not true?

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          • No either the ENTIRE bible is true INCLUDING the TORAH (by the way the old testament still says stone people) or none of the bible is true. Which is it?

            Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

            Achan … took of the accursed thing. … And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. … So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

            If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

            All an much more from the bible. So the bible as a whole is right or wrong. The bible includes the Torah (includes) but it is mistranslated…

            If you can’t understand that we are done sir because you aren’t worth my time I have people who understand simple logic I can speak to like maybe a 3 year old since they can follow logical discussion

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          • Romeo says:

            You see, your not even sure if the Torah is correct or not. So, how on earth are you certain that Shoel is the right word for Hell?! If you not sure in the Torah’s correctness, then you also aren’t sure in what the Torah says. And if the Torah says Shoel, you are not sure in this either!

            So, your not even sure that the right word for Hell is Shoel! So, what was the point of this argument?!

            And no. You can’t go claiming now that the Torah might be wrong! You yourself has said that the Torah is written correctly from the original text manuscripts. So, it seems like you accept the New Testament, but are cherry picking words. Words like Hell, because they do not suit you or your standards! Why do you do this?

            Yes. You can speak to a 3 year old about this, and it’ll understand and accept everything you say….because it’s a baby. Very poor logic. Now, a person in their rightful mind can see that you are hiding something else. Why?!

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          • “f the Torah is not true, how do you know that the word Hell is mistranslated?! ”

            It is you claiming it not to be true by denying the simple fact of mistranslation.

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          • Romeo says:

            Your actions said it. You don’t do everything that the Torah says to do (including stoning people). I asked why don’t you do it? You said: Because the Torah might not be true. So, is the Torah true or not true? If the Torah is true, do everything it says. If not then Hell exists. Plain and simple.

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          • And now, O Israel, give heed to the statutes and the ordinances which I teach you, and do them; that you may live… 4:1

            You shall be careful to do therefore as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. You shall walk in all the way which the Lord your God has commanded you; that you may live… 5:32-3

            All the commandment whch I command you this day you shall be careful to do, that you may live… 8:1

            And now, O Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good? 10:12-13

            And there’s this from Leviticus 18:5

            You shall therefore keep my statutes and my ordinances,by doing which a man shall live; I am the Lord.

            Here’s Deuteronomy 30:6, 8, 15-20 which offers the gracious gift of life to a penitent Israel:

            And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart…so that you will love the Lord you God with all your heart and…soul, that you may live…And you shall again obey the voice of the Lord, and keep all his commandments which I command you this day…See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God…by loving the Lord your God…then you shall live…I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice, and cleaving to him; for that means life to you…”

            eternal life from the torah jesus did NOT open that door because it was always open try again

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          • Romeo says:

            Eternal life is different than just “Life”. If God said “life or death”, then it tells you there is death (dying from this earth) and there is life (Living on this earth). Plain and simple.

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          • Support Jesus knew the Torah professed eternal life:

            Luke 10: 25-37: “A expert in the Torah came to Christ asking him, ‘Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?'”

            The Master’s response was, “What is written in the Torah? How do you read it?” (“Read” here obviously means, “How do you understand it?”)

            The teacher responds by joining Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 and the Lord says to him, “You have answered correctly. Do this and live.”

            Next? Are you the scholar you believe you are?

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          • Romeo says:

            Yes. But who was able to fulfill it? Jesus came and fulfilled the law. (He was the first)

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          • Nope it was already a promise from god without Jesus. Jesus came for different reasons but now you have something to research have fun I have not time nor patience to continue teaching you.

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          • Romeo says:

            You did a great job going off course. But it seems like you went away from the main subject. So, let’s come down to a conclusion. So the Whole Bible is correct, right? Because your not even sure about the words Shoel, If it’s true or not. How can you be sure of something that you are not sure about?

            So, what is it?

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          • Wrong because it’s miss translated from the ORIGINAL work.

            I am sure about SHOEL I have read it and I have seen it and that text is MUCh older then the copy.

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          • Romeo says:

            But, how do you know that the original is correct? If it’s correct, then why don’t you follow everything it says, including stoning people?

            You see your dead end?

            It’s either you stone sinners to death or your assumption about Shoel is incorrect.

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          • again you are too stupid to answer since we covered this enjoy stupidity cya

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          • Romeo says:

            You haven’t answered it. Lol.

            So, you were wrong all along?!

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          • It refers to eternal life not just life. It promises heaven.

            Jesus knew it too and validated it. Right there.

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          • The bible as a whole follow the logic we’ll get to this.

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          • makagutu says:

            Michelle I am a little lost here; where in this thread did you say you are bible believer or a Jew for that matter? Why do you have to decide whether bybowl is true or not true?

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          • To prove a point to the little one. He has now admitted the bible is 100% gods words, and that changing even one is a sin.

            SHOEL was changed who sinned?

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          • makagutu says:

            God. The bible is inspired by god and this inspiration covers the redactors, translators, copyists and anyone along the way. Any time you think you have found an error with the bible, always remember the fault is in you not the bible.

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          • Nope we are in agreement I think he may finally understand.

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          • My cousin, Eddy Goldberg. He’s the guy who was hired to translate the bible into English by Jeebus, and he fucked up. Sorry.

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          • Romeo says:

            So, if it is the whole Bible, then don’t you have to fulfill everything, including the teaching about Hell? How can you just fulfill that what sounds good to you? Don’t you have to fulfill everything? So, it’s either the whole Torah (Stoning people included) or its the whole New Testament (Love and Hell included). What is it?

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          • But hell was NEVER taiught. SHOEL was taught NOT HELL. Jesus was a JEW and he taught SHOEL in his native language of HEBREW.

            When they screwed up SHOEL in the written word they screwed it in the spoken word too. Simple as that.

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          • Romeo says:

            Stoning people was taught in original Hebrew also! Why dont you fulfill that one too?! Why don’t you stone people?! Either your assumption is incorrect or your not fulfilling the whole Torah by stoning people!

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          • It is STILL in the bible today!

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          • Romeo says:

            Yes. But not the New Testament. That is what I’m trying to tell you! If you accept the Old Testament (Torah) then why don’t you stone people?! I accept the New Testament therefore I know what Love is and Hell. It exists.

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          • You can’t accept one without the other. It is all true or none is true. Simple as that.

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          • Romeo says:

            Exactly. I SAY THAT THE WHOLE Bible IS CORRECT. ALL OF IT.

            Now you can’t say that the word Hell is incorrect, because your not sure that the Torah is true. Because if it were true, you’d have to stone people. Now, my Bible says in the Old Testament – Hell and in the New Testament – Hell. They are both the same words. Now, why I don’t Stone people is because, Jesus took Sin upon Himself and gave us forgiveness and told us to go and sin no more.

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          • You are aware several bibles don’t say hell they say grave now right?

            Those who care about the accuracy of what is supposed to be GODS word have adapted to the words used properly.

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          • Romeo says:

            If Shoel is the correct way to say it, then stoning people is the correct way of getting rid of sin. Why don’t you fulfill it all?!

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          • 1) Did jesus come and say my father is all love and you can’t stone people anymore because it’s mean and bad

            2) Then why would you believe for a second he’d then say and instead of simply dying if you are unworthy my loving father instead is going to throw you into a lake of fire to suffer forever

            do as i say not as i do much?

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          • Romeo says:

            He forgave people and gave them a second chance. Until you have breath in your nostrils you have that second chance. All Jesus did was open another door amongst the door of Death. He opened a door of Life. If you dont enter you automatically go to the door of death. Hell and everlasting fire.

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          • Ahh but the Torah already promised eternal life.

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          • Romeo says:

            The Torah had death written all over it. If you call stoning people Eternal life, then you are mistaken.

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          • makagutu says:

            God, has actually never said a thing. Men and women have said god have said such and such

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          • Romeo says:

            “ALL SCRIPTURE” is Inspired by God. God inspired people to write this…and they did.

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          • Great point. Once again, thanks for reaffirming the total truth of the Qur’an, where true scripture, inspired by the True God, Allah, can be found. 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.” You’re doing great for a fresh convert to Islam. Allah bless you.

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          • “The quote bug is contagious, see?” Elizabeth Taylor to Richard Burton, 1966.

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          • There must be some earthworms you can preach to then but I fear even they are smarter than you.

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          • makagutu says:

            Romeo, does the sun revolve around the earth?

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          • Romeo says:

            No. It does not. Any person in their own clear mind would tell you that. The planets revolve around the sun. The sun is in the center of our solar system. Why would it revolve?

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          • Because it’s trying to run away from you and your tin of mistakes. If you had to be around you, wouldn’t you try to run away?

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          • makagutu says:

            With a tin of mistakes, I, too would run away from myself

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          • makagutu says:

            Don’t you just like the Koran?

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          • Love it. It’s the only true word of god, even though gods aren’t real. Funny how that works. Romeo is converting to Islam today. He’s agreed to be circumcised a second time to show his devotion to Allah. Nice of him, but ouch!

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahahahaha! You are hilarious. When does he start fasting?

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          • He’s had nothing to eat for 4 days but pinto beans and soda water. His farts are so powerful they can power a jet airliner.

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          • makagutu says:

            I wouldn’t for the life of me want to be him

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          • Me either. Even to sun runs from him. 🙂

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          • At least if he was a zombie like his savior he’d have brains…for breakfast which is more brains than he has right now.

            Is he the reason the zombie Jew died because he has no brain and the zombie starved and died?

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          • I think we’ve gotten to him. Little girl that he is. Has a pussy for a god, so behaving like a fucking pussy is all the little bitch can do. Dim-witted newt of a Muslim. He needs to come out and just say,” I am Muslim! Hear me roar!” and here I thought the little bitch was arguing that she’s christian. Will wonders never cease?

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        • makagutu says:

          Did you mean where or were?
          You talk about love then mention everlasting fire. You really are a blockhead.

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          • Romeo says:

            I don’t need you to correct my mistakes. I need you to read my reply.

            Regarding love and everlasting fire, a person has to look at the whole picture and not just a small piece of the puzzle.

            In the beginning, God gave Adam and Eve a legit free choice with one warning: Do not eat from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, because you will get punished. They disobeyed God’s commandment, bringing death into their life. One door was open for them – The door of death and punishment. Now, how is that fair for us, who have to bear their punishment? This is were Jesus comes into play, and does for the human race. He took upon Himself the punishment that Adam and Eve took from the tree. Jesus opened another door – The door of life. So, now we have two doors: Either the Jesus who is the door of Life, or the door of punishment which Adam and Eve took from the tree. It’s your choice. You are free to choose your own choice, but you are not free from the consequence of your chosen choice.

            Now, one question: How can we call that what is a “second chance” as an unfair action? If God gave us a second chance, why are you still looking at the door that Adam and Eve took upon themselves? Why are you still looking at the lake of Fire that Adam and Eve opened by their own mistake and disobedience? Why can’t you look at the door that Jesus opened through His death?

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          • 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.”
            bTW, how much did you pay for your tin of mistakes?

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      • makagutu says:

        I don’t think Romeo knows what the Koran is. It is the only true holy book and it says so in the Koran

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        • Had fun with this idjit last night. Truly one of the densest idjits out there. I tell him I’m fucking around with him, and he doesn’t get it. This idiot thinks I’m Muslim. What a poorly lit bulb.

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        • Where did you find this dude? What a character. And who’d agree to be circumcised a second time to show their devotion to Allah? Maybe that’s part of his tin of mistakes. Educated by dung beetles was this fella.

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        • Romeo couldn’t understand Shoel means grave and not hell you can’t have any type of rational conversation with this half wit moron. He tried even telling me Jesus comes before the Torah. Let’s see considering the Christians say the old testament (Torah) “predicted Christ” then it by default had to exist first. But this half wit couldn’t get that concept either. You are best to do as I do and ignore this guy because he is too stupid to debate or even understand simple words.

          Romeo ……. I …….. talk …… slow ……. bible …… bad …….. words …….. bible …… not …… god …….. word

          Bible …… have ……. many …… not ……. right ……. words…… sorry ……. not …….. able ……. make ……. less …… big …… words

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          • makagutu says:

            Hahaha Michelle.
            I have now learnt to type slowly. Thanks for your help

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          • Romeo says:

            Mt 18:6, “But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

            You have got to remember these words of Jesus. And mark my words: There will come that day when you stand before God on judgement day, and you will have to give account for every word that you perverted on God’s holy writting. At that very moment you will be able to find out if there is an everlasting fire or not. I pray, that it won’t be that moment that you realize your mistake. Because, then will be to late.

            So as of right now, by Jesus’ words, it is better for you to tie a millstone around your neck….and you know the rest.

            For every word, you will give account.

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          • Awww so what! I care nothing for your FALSE words since they are proven wrong and by your own admision is the words are wrong the god is wrong. period but you’re to stupid to even see you lost by your own words.

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          • YOU will give account for YOUR vile blasphemy; From the Qur’an: 3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”
            BtW, if you deny the Qur’an is the only true word of god, you’ll be proving it is the true word of god. You dim-witted newt.

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    • makagutu says:

      Romeo, you will be the blog’s new resident idiot.

      Why would I want to read your posts?

      This is a philosophy blog, not a church. Quoting bible verses as answers to critiques will take you nowhere.

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  4. Yup see he can copy paste guys..

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  5. “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.” (Surah 3:19)

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  6. then every word you utter you false god gives you account while mine laughs at your stupidity. See how mine loves you but yours tallies your false words to hold against you? I am sure the god of all is laughing HER ass off at you.

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  7. You’re beautiful when your panties are in a bunch, Romea. Has everyone ever told you that? You sexy little Muslim gal, you.

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  8. You’re hot for a Muslim chick, Romea. I’ll give ya that.

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  9. Sorry guys he doesn’t get it so I am done. I can’t teach him anything because his logic skills are less than a 3 year old. His ability to reason is beyond absurd. I’ve thrown him out with the bath water because he can’t be spoken to.

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