By a show of hands, I would want to know those who became atheists because it was present as attractive. I will count.
This christian tells us
- You can’t hope for a better future, it is determined
Loaded statement. Which future? A day in the near future when I am soaking in money? This I can hope for. A life after death, that doesn’t bother at all.
- You don’t love, it is a chemical side-effect
I would be willing to let the theist tell me what love is. What is the problem with it being a chemical effect or neural effect whichever it is? Food still tastes good and it involves neural transmitters and other things that I don’t know.
- Truth doesn’t exist
When asked what is truth, if he lived, Jesus didn’t know the answer. I am certain the atheist could have thought more about truth than the theist.
- Neither Good nor Evil exist because there is nothing you can judge it by to determine its goodness or evil
I don’t need a standard to judge that stupid is an evil.
- You can’t say R.I.P when a loved one dies
Why not, though it is unfortunate the person will not hear. But they are resting in peace.
- Nothing matters, because everything is matter
Things matter because at the end, everything is matter.
- There is no purpose beyond the purpose you pretend to have and make for yourself
It is not a pretend purpose.
The reason why theism is untenable, I submit, is because
it is not a logically justifiable position to hold.
No person with their senses intact can begin even to form an idea of an immaterial, incorporeal, eternal spirit that loves them. To believe it is purely a matter of accident and indoctrination. Any theist who argues atheism isn’t a logically justifiable position is ignorant of the meaning of logical. It is a travesty of logic to call theism, any theism logical.
Natural selection is the only game in town. The theist is free to offer different theories or disprove it. Until we have a better understanding, we shall hold it as provisionally being the best explanation there is.
If relativism means
that knowledge, truth, and morality exist in relation to culture, society, or historical context, and are not absolute.
I don’t see how one can claim it is not the case that it is a very logical position to hold. The bible still has in its pages the prohibition against suffering witches to live, but no one is killing witches anymore. If that is not example of morality existing in cultural and historical context, I don’t know which is.
Scientific theories are reworked as we get more data. Science tries to get to the best explanation of observed phenomena. As means of analysis improve so the theories. If you construe this as a weakness, you suffer from a problem of thinking that because something is ancient, it must be true.
The theist insist they have evidence for their god. We demand to see this evidence. It is not idiotic. If you have evidence, make it known.
To say
Demanding a type of evidence of an immaterial entity that can only apply to the material world, is either devious or stupid, and either way leads to a rather pointless, unwinnable argument.
is to claim to know the entity is immaterial. We want to know how you arrived at this knowledge. Is it something told to you or read in a book? Do you have any reason to believe that such an entity can possibly exist.
When a theist writes
The vigour by which atheists deny the possibility of theism rightly or wrongly makes any objective person wonder if the reason for that vehemence is based on emotional considerations rather than pure logic. And that might be the reason they lie to themselves about what they really believe.
I think it is the case that they are projecting their fears and anxieties on the atheist.
But to then write
For else how do you explain the fact that their system of faith PRECLUDES the ability to know the truth, but they will still claim it as truth and deny the opposite as a lie?
is for me the height of stupidity. One can’t go below this even if they tried.
Enjoy your week everyone.
Random thoughts 
>>You can’t hope for a better future, it is determined
Atheism does not equal determinism – which is proven by the fact that many atheists are indeterminists.
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it is difficult getting through to the theist. he hears a word and thinks this must apply to every atheist, so he uses it
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Atheists disagree with each other on a wide variety of subjects – from morality to politics and from science to metaphysics. Just like christians, muslims and so on disagree with each other.
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I have had several disagreements with my atheist friends over here on freewill and selfless acts. The theist should at least know the only thing we are agreed on is the position of deities
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“the only thing we are agreed on is the position of deities“. Which is more than theists can agree on. They can’t agree which is the correct deity or its nature.
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Barry, you have hit the bull’s eye with that one.
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Atheism unattractive? Beats fire and brimstone. ..
or an impotent uninterested fickled deity.
The world dreamed up and created by religionists is not a pretty one. Just look around folks… observe the results of religion in action. A thing of beauty?
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You only see the world created by religion as sick because you are looking from outside. Join our church and all that will change
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Drink the coolaid, eh? Been there done that. Survived the brainwashing and the stomach pumping along with the pressure washing…
Outside is all
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I am sure you didn’t meet my pastor. You were taught wrong?
How do theists write such things and believe them at the same time?
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Or John Zande’s amazing Omnimalevolent Creator, which to me is the single best creationistic response to theodicy of all time! *
* I know the Gnostics and Dualists also touch on this concept.
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and the creationists are not seeing the door JZ has opened for them to explain away evil
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Well said Mak and I love the points you made. Also, there is more logic in atheism than anything else. You’re right, theists don’t have any evidence other than the word of others and that book they believe in. That’s not evidence.
There’s simply no medication for their stupidity.
Have a great week too my friend. 😀 ♥
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if there is no logic in atheism, there is none anywhere else.
Maybe making stupidity criminal is a good place to start in finding a cure
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“You don’t love, it i s a chemical side-effect” – That’s an old apologist ploy – when the atheist says there is no evidence for god, the apologist counters, with, “You believe in love, and there is no evidence for love.” Of course there is, love without evidence is, well, stalking.
But he/she/it is partially correct, in that our every thought and sensation is an effect of electrochemical activity, but what does that prove?
“Neither Good nor Evil exist because there is nothing you can judge it by, to determine its goodness or evil.” – Another partially-correct assertion. Shakespeare once wrote, “Nothing ever is right nor wrong, but thinking makes it so,” but we, as a species, have learned by trial and error through the eons, that some things help us continue as a species and bring us a certain degree of personal happiness, and we have come to call those, “good.”
“Nothing matters, because everything is matter” – Cute sentence structure, but entirely incorrect, everything is energy: E=mc2.
“There is no purpose beyond the purpose you pretend to have and make for yourself.” – Much like the statement above this one, this elicits a big, “So what?” But it’s also true. Imagine Marco Polo, in the 13th century, introducing the spoon to a Chinese culture that had used chopsticks for centuries – objects and events have the purpose that we assign to them.
How anthropomorphic to believe that an “immaterial entity,” much like a puff of smoke or a cloud of gas, might experience human emotions, such as love. One must also wonder how an immaterial entity could interact with a material world – imagine a puff of smoke trying to pick up a screwdriver.
Your friend, the author of the above, needs to go back to the drawing board and come back when he/she/it has something more tangible.
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I am sure they must have used the only drawing board they ever had to light a bonfire last time it was cold. How someone can process such ideas in their heads and write them, maybe read them aloud and find nothing odd, to me, points to one who quit ways with their reason.
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I like the example of smoke lifting a fork. Words just get thrown around in the hope no one will notice. How did this immaterial entity decide to create?
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“you know atheism is unattractive.” – My shortest (though possibly not my most erudite) response would be, “So’s your Momma!“
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Haha. I am the good one, so I can’t say that even when I know it to be the case
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Outstanding arguments, my Nairobi brother! A great way to start a new week. The theists are unable to prove the existence of a deity so therefore all of those who disagree with them are wrong. Where is the logic in that mode of thinking? There is none so therefore, the theists are all hallucinating from an un-named opiate.
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A friend said all the theist got to do is bring his god or show us where he is
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Excellent post. Applause, applause, my friend. I wish theists would get the idea that it isn’t their make believe invisible guys I dislike. They don’t exist. There’s nothing to dislike. It’s the theist, especially apologetic ones, that I despise. They’re ignorant, rude, narcissistic a-holes who can’t agree on what or which god exists and which interpretation of said god’s word is true. Theism is a most unappealing, ugly, inhuman thought process. Theists, I don’t like ya. Your bloody idjits. Have a pleasant day. 🙂
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I, too, dislike the apologist who pretends to some pseudo intellectualism that ends up being a regurgitation of what they heard someone heard.
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I hear that! 🙂
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You know, Mak, I’ve heard of an atheist drinking game on Twitter. Someone needs to come up with one for blog posts. I think it would make the job of critiquing them more interesting.
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that should be great. I would love it
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