we know a fundamentalist believer holds it that their particular god exists.
that their holy book and only theirs is the true word of this god
that their interpretation of the said holy book is the only valid interpretation
and if they believe hell and heaven exist, then everyone else is damned to eternal damnation.
I have read claims on theist blogs that there are fundamentalist atheists.
Am I a fundamentalist atheist for believing the word god is meaningless
for holding that religion* has no redeeming feature
for writing about atheism consistently
for asserting all religious believers are misguided?
How does one become a fundamentalist atheist?
*Religion here means the belief in the supernatural
Too much passion and zeal can lead to one-dimensional thinking (I think anyway just from experience)…
I.e.: I had passion for my ex so much I didn’t see he was not only cheating on me but he was a thief and a crook and master manipulator (will spare details of why)- but because I asserted he was amazing and was “the one” life partner for me- I overlooked some key traits because of sexual passion I had for him.
I think it’s ok to “assert” what one thinks- but to assume it is the only conclusion is dangerous.
In terms of how a person can be a fundamental atheist- this can happen when they shut their minds eye to the possibility of anything other than unbelief- just like a religious fundamentalist shuts their eyes to the facts there are other explanations for the existence of humans and the world.
Hope that makes sense 😊
Thank you as always for open discussions where one feels free to express oneself and ones opinions freely without fear of personal attacks 😎❤️
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Linden, if I could ask you a question? If someone believes in something that has no evidence to support its existence, and there is evidence that something else entirely is going on, would you consider it delusional to keep believing in that thing?
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Depends if there is evidence to prove *beyond a shadow of a doubt* that the belief is entirely false…
Unlike what some people think- just because I ascribe to an intelligent creation theory doesn’t mean I also believe in big foot, mermaids, and the Loch Ness monster lol
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don’t you think asking for beyond a shadow of doubt evidence is putting the bar too high, friend?
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I am the epitome of setting the bar too high LMAO- that’s why I stay in a constant state of a swinging pendulum 😉😂 I straddle the fence post on most subjects- it’s so much more fun that way. It takes a damn lot of convincing- I’m pretty damn stubborn and strong willed Lol
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I have my bar so low. Maybe that is why it is sometimes hard to persuade me
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I need to take mine down- I’m unrealistic sometimes lol.
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Not so low it becomes non existent 😄
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Maybe I would relax a little 😉😊
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Nope. You may start believing you are seeing ghosts in the kitchen
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I can appear quite ghost like in the winter months with an insufficient source of sunlight- lol
Thank *God* for spray tan so I don’t give anyone any ideas that they may have seen a ghost 😂
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wouldn’t mind seeing you as a ghost 😛
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I’ve the same issue Liinden does. I’m so white, it practically blinds people when they look at me. I fear the snow, cause no one can see me in it if I’m not wearing reflective clothing.
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I reflect sunlight lol I would be so bright someone might even think I was a shining star lmao
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That’s even better
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That’s the best criteria there is to prove things like Jesus, mermaids, and big foot MIGHT be real. If you can’t prove “beyond a shadow of a doubt” that they’re not, then they MUST be real. See? Works for whatever you want it to. Since you can’t “prove beyond a shadow of a doubt” that Allah doesn’t command us to fly airplanes into the buildings of infidels and kill them, then he MUST be commanding us to fly airplanes into the buildings of infidels to kill them. See? Such criteria can easily be applied to whatever it is you wish. It is impenetrable and deflects all criticism of itself by its very nature. And that is true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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You are always of help my friend. Because I can’t prove beyond a shadow of doubt Jeebus walked on water, he did
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Beyond a shadow of a doubt, you’re right. Now, go pet a kitten and chill out. You’re too tense. Go easy on the tea and coffee, too. You’ll get ulcers, and for god sake, stop generalizing!!!
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I will take the option of a mouse, maybe I will become fast.
And I promise I will generalize just a little
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“Those who generalize, in general, usually come out ahead, generally speaking.” Sammy Davis, Jr, circa 1960
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So, big foot, mermaids, and Nessy are not real, but invisible sky beings creating the multiverse are? Ah. I see. From a certain point of view, to quote Obi Wan, everything is true, especially when you want it to be. I know a few folks who’d greatly disagree with you on the big foot matter. Plenty of evidence they have, or so they say. I’ll hook you up with ’em. Fun conversations to be there. 🙂
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Why don’t you believe in sasquatch, mermaids, and Nessie? In these cases, what would you consider evidence “beyond a shadow of a doubt”?
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I am passionate about the freewill-determinist debate. I am of the opinion the freewillers are wrong. I am open to being persuaded to the contrary unfortunately the more I read of the freewillers, the more I am convinced they are wrong.
There is no amount of argument that will make believe there is a horse-goat.
I like to get people talking. Thanks for your visit
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Well, can someone be a fundamentalist non-believer in unicorns, big foot, mermaids, fairies, the Loch Ness Monster, and Dracula/vampires? Or does fundamentalist non-belief only apply to people who do not believe in the christian god, and then a particular take on the christian god? The christian god, or any god for that matter, is no more real to me than Zeus or Apollo. Does the idea that they MIGHT exist in some improbable way make one a fundamental disbeliever in their actual existence? Because one sees no evidence for unicorns existing, does that make one a fundamentalist non-believer in unicorns? Of course not. This fundamentalist atheist bullshit is a label hallucinating christians have come up with to describe those who say, out loud, “I do not believe in your particular take on your particular god because you’ve provided no evidence for it other than your mindless, delusional ramblings on the topic and citations from your bronze age book which glorifies slavery and genocide.” I fundamentally stand by this statement. $Amen$
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Thank you. I need only agree with this comment without needing to think of my own!
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$Hallelujah$ Brother. And may your first child, be a masculine child.
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I’ve already produced a few offspring (all were boys, that I’m aware of) Or do you mean starting now? I thought I was done having kids, but if need be I can work on it!
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It was a Godfather quote. Just felt like leaving it. “Leave the gun. Take the canola.”
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Ha, I haven’t seen that movie in ages. So, I missed the significance… The lights may be on, but the guy at the wheel may be sleeping 🙂
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I’ll make you an offer you can’t refuse: “Don’t say icky things about christians. It gets their undies in a bunch.” Don Vito, 1941.
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Makes two of us
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“A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest of men.” Mak was literally asking how one can be defined with the title *fundamental* atheist. Anyone who strictly labels oneself or others is by definition *fundamental* in their approach. Though you are entitled to the emotion behind your declaration of facts- would you want someone accusing you of being an “angry asshole” because you label *every* single believer as *delusional* just because they explore that this creation might have something more than what science shows? Can a believer be someone other than a Christian (or to you) are all people that believe in deities delusional, ignorant and piss poor protoplasm?
Are you asserting that only anti-theists hold true intelligence and knowledge and anyone else has shit for brains?
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Ouch. Someone’s a tad angry. My comment was not directed at you. I do not know you. You also do not know me. If you did, you’d know I was taking a jab at a particular character named SOM who frequents some of our blogs and calls us delusional etc. Before taking things as personal attacks on yourself, when they are not, 1.) Be sure you are the person being addressed, you were not, 2.) Be certain you know the person you are addressing, you do not, and 3.) Chill out! We’re having a little fun here. Relax. Breath deeply. Not everything is about you and your beliefs. I don’t know you. I’m sure your very nice. Now, breath. 1, 2, 3. There you go,.
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I think this settles the matter.
You two are my fine friends
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Absolutely, fundamentally, and most certainly. Fundamentally speaking that is. Fundamentally. 🙂
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How about you be careful and not categorize people because I don’t get angry I get even lol. I didn’t see a SOM person and I don’t know you but you need to see how your hasty generalizations and typing in general can be taken wrong by anyone and seem like an attack. Now take deep breaths and quit worrying about what people believe or do not. Take a cue from Ark- take pictures- take in the scenery and enjoy life- I love his pics and blog btw…and no matter what the fuck we believe or don’t we all have a finite existence. Have a good night- stop and smell the roses every once and a while- it will take your mind off of being mad at people for believing in unicorns and dragons and lions and tigers and bears oh my lol 🌹
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have you met SOM dear? He is the quintessential pain in the wrong places type of person. I don’t think even with your tolerance you would stand him.I can’t.
You and inspired should get along. He has no problem with nice people regardless of their beliefs. Just as you don’t have any problem with nice people and you are all very nice people.
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I can get along with just about anyone so long as I don’t feel *personally* attacked. Forgive me for the trite comments- I’m not at 100% nice these days lol. I live in SC- remember the atmos-FEAR is full of all kinds of crazy shit- like rebel flags and anti-gay demonstrations- you can’t blame me for being slightly paranoid and being in a constant defense mode 😳😄 lol. Btw- I got lucky with one neighbor- a nice gay couple who appreciate my fierce bad ass attitude to haters and they know I have their back should the fundies come knocking at the door- silly thought but SC is full of so much hate 😔
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I understand. And that is perfectly reasonable.
That atmosphere isn’t a good one. I honestly can’t wrap my head around it.
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Me either and I live here lol
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So most of your neighbours believe Genesis 1 is correct and if it is not covered in the bible, it is not relevant?
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Sad but true yes. Not all of us *believers* are literalists so when we announce that there are explanations and facts outside the Bible we are actually labeled heretical- and we actually have btw- we were actually banned and excommunicated from a particular church because we told some people what we really thought and they told the pastor and he said for no one to talk to us because “Satan was working on us” and we needed to figure it out on our own LOL. I’m not joking- it sounds so stupid but it’s slim pickings for friends around here when everyone is like robots lol. Can see why I hate extremes of any variety…😔
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HEY!!! Watch what you’re saying! I’ve a reputation to maintain, albeit a silly one. Praise be the Golden Boot. Speaking of SOM, he’s been kinda quiet lately. Pops up on John’s blog from time to time, but he’s not been on mine calling me a hallucinating, deluded asshole in some time. I miss him. 🙂
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He is on some other blog making noise as usual
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He’s the most unintentionally funny guy I know.
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In this post, he calls me ignorant for whatever for, he knows
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I love that hallucinating, deluded christian! Although, being that he’s Catholic, he’s not really a True Christian. I wonder if he knows that?
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The only thing I know without a shadow of doubt, is that he is stupid. Maybe only holding the torch to CS
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CS isn’t quite as good with the juvenile insults, not yet, anyway.
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That is for SOM only and he is painfully annoying.
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In a delusional. hallucinating, christian kinda way.
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in a timeless, spaceless and immaterial way
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I’d agree with you, but then I’d be over-generalizing and I wouldn’t want to hurt the feelings of any big foot enthusiasts who may be reading this. Very sensitive people, they are.
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Are you talking about me? I have big feet
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I knew it! You’re big foot! My prayers have been answered! Who was that nut-bar on Nan’s blog who was correcting me for writing “tongues” wrong? I tell ya, some of these whacko’s worry me.
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They worry me a lot too.
Who ties their shoe laces?
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Speaking of SOM, how do people like John and Violet stand him? I have no patience for his kind of stupid
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I’ve no clue. Violet’s given up blogging due to personal issues. I hope all turns out well for her.
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I meant Violet Wisp. I saw Violet’s post and wish her well too.
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Right. Sorry. I was generalizing and got my Violets mixed up. Please, stop being angry about it and forgive me. 🙂
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Haha.
Say two hail Mary, one our father, and three kick ass
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My comments are tongue in cheek. Take the advice of former President Jimmy Carter on this matter: “Man chill out. Get a puppy. Smile. Get a different sky fairy to worship. Yours is overly sensitive and rather immoral. Stop making generalizations. Drink de-caf. Avoid fast amusement park rides. Don’t J-walk. Pull your fly up or something might crawl in. Brush your teeth and floss regularly. Don’t eat too much sugar. Check under your mattress regularly for bed bugs. They’re a bitch to get rid of once you get them. Take up a hobby like photography. Wait! Better yet! Assume you know people you don’t based on silly shit they write on a blog. Yeah. That’s it! Very christian thing to do. Also, get a gold fish. Stare at it. Breath deep. Now, generalize some more. OK! Now, make more assumptions. Good. Remember, you’re christian, hyper-sensitive and very, very angry (see, I don’t really know that, but I’m gonna make that generalization just cause). Have a pleasant, very assuming day worshiping invisible shit and being very sensitive about how fucking stupid that is to do. Did I mention not to generalize? Don’t. I NEVER do. That’d be silly. Also, stop being angry. Your rage is unreal. Never seen anything like it. BREATH. 1, 2, 3. Nice. Now, pet a cat. If you’ve allergies, pet a mouse. They’re fast, so be quick. Man, you’re SO angry! I don’t know you, but, how could I possibly be wrong about this? Take two aspirin, flush them down the toilet and get some rest. And for christ sake, get anger management therapy! You’re gonna poke someone’s eye out with your rage.” President Jimmy Carter, November 6th, 1979 AD
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“A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest of men.”
“Nonsense my whole life is.” Yoda, 1982
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when I stop being a prophet of the only True god, I want to be like you, except the height issue
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Ah, so you’re a fundamentalist anti-short person practitioner, eh? Or, are you an anti-shortist? I’m a fundamentalist shortist, so, if you’re a fundamentalist anti-shortist, we’ve got a problem. (Funny how utterly ridiculous these terms sound when applied to things other than christianity and religion, eh?)
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hahaha. fundamentally antishortists
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I’ll admit, I’m kind of an anti-tallist myself. Anyone over 5’10” is evil, IMO. Damn tallists. Can’t trust ’em. And for christ sake, don’t ever turn your back on ’em. They’re so tall, they’ll step right over you and pick your wallet before you know it’s gone. The bastards.
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I resemble that comment.
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🙂
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I like Yoda and all the Star Wars- you must be a Star Wars nerd deep down like I am lol- something we could relate to but oh well-
oh and I believe in aliens *gasp* we are aliens lol- spongebob is fun to watch under the influence of whacky Baccy too- maybe if you had some of that you wouldn’t be…
“Why so serious?”
The Joker 😜
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Star Wars is awesome. I believe I am an alien. I’d better be. I’ve been telling people I am for years. If I’m not, I’m sure gonna look foolish. 😀
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I am fundamentally in support of this comment.
I am yet to meet a fundamentalist non believer in the Loch Ness. Should I come across one, you will be the first one to know
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Awesome. I’ll send you one of my, “I Don’t Believe In Nessy” plush toys as soon as the Holy Spirit gets back from dropping off the one I sent to Bob.
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Let me notify the virgins in the neighbourhood first
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PS Mak- you are not fundamental just because you think the word *god* is meaningless. You are a very sound man with a calm, cool and collected approach at how you see and define our existence. You are also loving and accepting of others that do not think like you- and this is why I have mad respect for you!
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I have mad respect for you because, 1.) I’m mad (as in nuts) and 2.) You’re fundamentally a fellow fundamentalist last prophet of The Great Golden Boot. $Hallelujah$
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“We’re all a little mad here.”
😆😂
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Are you talking about me?
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No lol- I’m mostly a jokster- hard to demonstrate that on here. I’m a huge Alice fan and quote from that movie frequently- I was being ever so whimsical 😄😊
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I am kidding my friend lo. Don’t take me too seriously.
It must be wee hours of the morning where you are I guess
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Yeah this is my mommy time lol- kids are asleep so I unwind between email and texting and here
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Ah, makes sense. Hope you have had a good day.
My day is just beginning
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I did I’m about to hit hay lol- I hope your day starts off good! 😎☀️
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Sleep well dear friend
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Thank you! 😊
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I’m nuttier than most. I hope. I’ve worked very hard at it. 🙂 Love your emojis BTW.
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You are too kind
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I’m a fundamentalist Anti-Flying Spaghetti Monsterist.
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Where do I register and where are the meetings held?
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I’m a fundamental secular gravityist and not a tax break in sight. I get no respect.
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You and I are at odds then, pal, because I’m a fundamental anti-secular gravityist. Ain’t no bloody such thing as gravity, especial not “secular” gravity. We stick to the ground cause Jesus holds us here. Come on already! get real. 😉
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Don’t worry my friend, just register it as a church and viola, tax breaks
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Since one can be an “anti-theist”, and ruffle the undies of christians everywhere, can one be an “anti-flying spaghetti monsterist”, and ruffle the undies of flying spaghetti monster worshipers? Would christians ban together with them to stop the persecution of their gods? I wonder, would christians even care about the ruffled undies of flying spaghetti monster worshipers? Something tells me, no. Christian undies get ruffled only as things apply to them. OOPS!!! Gotta go feed my flying spaghetti monster! It’s trying to eat my dog.
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Don’t get eaten by the monster while you feed it
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At the Greek restaurant ’round the corner OM; mind the flying plates.
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thanks for the heads up. Will be there the moment I can get my toga ready
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How? Simple. By criticizing the pernicious effects of holding to religious beliefs as a justification for actions.
The irony of this usage is lost on those who hold their fundamental beliefs in the highest regard while using the same esteemed term to be disparaging when aimed at those who hold no similar beliefs!
Weird, I know, but hey: the thinking processes of fundamentalists have difficulty comparing and contrasting any two things without first subjecting each to a reprocessing and filtration by piety.
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The fundamentalist sees everyone through a fundamentalist filter. It’s like reading a Ken Ham blog. He sees everything through the first chapter of Genesis
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Great video, John. It’s like someone has been paying attention. And that’s why we do what we do: to improve human well being by teaching the next generation not to be so gullible as ours. And if we don’t do it, who will?
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we must, or they will be fed the same lies sold to us
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Excellent video. Fundamentally speaking.
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Now go forth and kill someone in its name 🙂
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Already killed two big foot believers, a Lutheran, and 1 UFO believer. All of them were fundamentalists, so, I whacked ’em. 🙂 Why? Because I’m a fundamentalist non-believer. $Amen$
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This puts the matter in perspective
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Hahaha. Well played John
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Excellent video John. The part starting at about the 3:20 minute marker, regarding prison, is especially spot on.
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I hadn’t thought about it from that perspective before.
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fundamentalism [fəndəˈmentlˌizəm] NOUN
a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture.
from OxfordDictionaries (Oxford University Press)
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Atheism is NOT a religion, and it is NOT based on any scripture.
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Excellent point. Guess my fundamental disbelief in Nessy is a tad bit over-stated, eh? I better close down my “I Don’t Believe In Nessy” T-shirt and plush toy store near Loch Ness. Damn. Been making a mint off of that place. I’ll send you a “I Fundamentally Deny Nessy Exists” plush toy if you want one. They’re very cute. Fundamentally speaking.
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I DO want one of those toys!
(fundamentally desired, of course)
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I’ll send you one via Holy Spirit express. Just make sure you notify all the virgin ladies in the area first. Wouldn’t want him to impregnate any of them whilst he’s making the delivery.
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Hahaha.
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Thanks, that’s no problem. There’s very few virgin ladies around here. Remember this:
“Here lies the body of Mary Lee… died at the age of one hundred and three… for fifteen years she kept her virginity… not a bad record for this vicinity.”
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Love that. 🙂
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Hahaha.
Long live Jeff. You bring humour into my life and I guess for others too
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Thanks, brother. Love to make folks smile. 😉
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Bob, you know I agree with you.
When one reads theists’ blogs, one wonders whether they have dictionaries or can properly use them
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Sometimes theists need a little subtle persuasion… like being smacked upside the head with a big, hardcover unabridged dictionary! Just a thought…
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And after that, they need an entire Encyclopedia Britannica set tossed at their noodle. Then, maybe then, their sense of special deference will diminish.
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Or maybe the cover of the encyclopedia should be a bible
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maybe we could give them dictionary soup. I think if they ingest they may just begin to understand
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Atheism has no fundamentals.
A fundamentalist to me is actually (ironically) often an honest theist who believes literally what his holy book tells him.
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You are right in both statements
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I, too, respect the religious fundamentalist far more than the religious apologist who weaves and spins his way around the silliness in his holy book. If you’re gonna believe in in the damn thing, just believe in it. You don’t gain points in my book by trying to fit a square into a round hole. Now, I’m off to bath my pet spaghetti monster.
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I agree.
Rather the fundamentalist who says it says this in Genesis, I believe it and that settles the matter than an apologist like CS who pretends to know more beyond Genesis
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Right. I mean, Ken Ham may be the biggest idjit there is, but at least he’s consistent and you know where he stands. He’s brave enough, and man enough, to say what it is he believes and stick by it. Granted, he’s a fool, but a sure footed one. The apologists like WLC who try to fit the Gospels into quantum physics and astrophysics are the biggest weenies I know. Beside that, they bother me, AND, they smell bad, nda like old moth balls.
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The word has Fun and Mental in it. This seems like a contradiction in terms, yet sits well with certain religious types.
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It may also mean the mental have fun ;-p
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We do.
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Love it.
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love it. This is so spot on
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To some extent I consider the fundamentalists to be the ones who actually buy into what their religion teaches. Those with a less fundamental interpretation tend to have developed a new form of the religion that differs from what was originally taught they takes the bits they like as literal and the bits they find troublesome are interpreted as ‘spiritual’.
This is provides no comfort for those of us who note that it is those who interpret their religion seriously are prepared to pt aside normal human empathy and commit an atrocity because they think they are obeying the command of a divine being.
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You are right on the fundamentalist. He takes his religion literally. Believes the religious book says all they need to know and are ready to die for it
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