why Christianity?


And not because I converted.

This is a response to why choose Christianity and not something else or nothing else? It is an exercise in special pleading, appeals to authority and a case of ignorance.

The author starts by telling us most other religions are explicable without appeal to the supernatural. In his words

The naturalistic explanation, saying “men came up with myths about Zeus and others” fits all the data we have available much better than an appeal to a supernatural explanation; “men spoke about Zeus and the rest because those gods were real.”

and I ask where is the difference between this and Christianity. All the data we have point to the bible and its god[s] being a work of humans. They are created and dressed in human language and given human character just as the ancients did, except in their case, people could surpass the gods. The christian has created a monster that no matter how much effort, you can’t outdo it in cruelty and pettiness.

The author even has the mind to tell us

In this sense, atheism is a powerful ally to Christianity for the atheists help us make the case for why we reject the vast majority of religions.

The atheist rejects all gods. All includes the middle Eastern god to whom billions of Muslims, Jews and Christians around the world genuflect. To think yours is an exception is to me, the height of blind ignorance.

To make his case for Christianity, he gives, what he calls supernatural pseudo explanations. I call them pseudo explanations because they have not been shown to be true. The reasons he alludes to are

  1. coherency in the biblical message- while here, forget that there are two creation stories, that the story of Jacob and Isaac [?] look like cardboard copies, that we don’t know, from the supposed biographers of J. Hubris Christ his correct genealogy
  2. People willing to die for the claim Jesus is risen- the people who willingly died in Uganda following the advice of the cult leader must make it true
  3. Sudden birth and rise of christian theology- anyone who reads history would know this is not the case. Maybe he should have said the slow and violent rise of Christianity. This would be close to the facts.
  4. Many indoctrinated people have remained Christians. I thought if he had any sense he would see this is true of all other religions.
  5. His last point is so absurd I have to put it here in its entirety for prosperity –
    • The supernatural explanation accounts for the big questions like “Why is there something rather than nothing? Why is there life when the odds are against there being such? How did the universe get started? Why is there something startlingly different about humans compared with other animals? Why is there such a strong yearning for purpose among humans? Why do humans reflect on morality so much? Why is there evil and what can be done about it?” Naturalism struggles to explain what Christianity simply and  profoundly answers.

From here on, he goes of the rails in so complete a fashion that only a brain replacement would restore him. In the example of Paul, where there are many plausible explanations, he sticks with a pseudo explanation because it is good for his script. Facts be damned.

You would expect this fellow is going to make a serious case for his religion only to repeat the trope of Jesus rose from the dead and why? It is in the bible.

Why should one become a christian? Because the bible says there is an afterlife and you may have a chance with angels if that is your kind of thing. Really? Can’t we have apologists who are reasonable and who tell us reasonable things? Or is their target audience the already damned deluded?

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About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

87 thoughts on “why Christianity?

  1. troynbr2 says:

    Selection bias. Reality truly is what we make it. Believers surround themselves with mirrors, as do non-believers. When talking to yourself, it’s hard to see and hear others. Look at the “Palestinian question”. My daddy farmed here first argument that’s 5,000 years old.

    Don’t mean to discourage you, but your readers already agree with you and believers won’t read you. An old study I’m fond of rehashing showed a majority of Alabama teens go to church every Sunday and have no idea how babies are made. New Hampshire teens – it’s reversed.

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    • makagutu says:

      You are right on so many things.
      Believers hardly read here and if they do they don’t comment.
      All of us have biases. I try to identify them if I can.

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      • troynbr2 says:

        Bias isn’t necessarily bad. Acting blind to them is. I accidentally insulted a man because it never occurred to me that a black man could have been born and raised in the suburbs of Wisconsin. Good thing we were friends!

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        • makagutu says:

          That wouldn’t have ended well if you were not friends.

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        • fojap says:

          I had a boyfriend of Chinese descent who was born in upstate New York and grew up in Ohio. He said that when he traveled to Europe he was always having a hard time getting people to understand that he was completely American. He thought it was amusing more than anything else, but he was generally pretty good-natured about that sort of thing.

          One thing he wasn’t fond of, however, was being told he was going to hell as a child because his family wasn’t Christian. Apparently, the other kids in school would say that to him. He lived in a university town, so I can’t believe he wasn’t the only non-Christian there.

          I also grew up in a town with a college and many of my friends’ parents were professors. It gave the place a slightly more intellectual bent than I think is typical. I remember I once referred to how all teenage boys go through a Nietzsche phase and the person I was talking to gave me a strange look and said, “Where do you come from?”

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    • tildeb says:

      Yes, selection bias is ubiquitous. Our interpretation of reality influences how we understand it to be but we don’t make reality; we simply try our best to function within it even if we mistake our interpretation for reality itself. That, too, is done all the time. And I don’t think reminding everyone of how common selection bias is (or confirmation bias as it is also known), how susceptible all of us are to utilizing it, or seeing it employed so much is discouraging if we use that reminder to personal effect. Lead by example, and all that…

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  2. fojap says:

    “Why is there something startlingly different about humans compared with other animals?”

    That might be a matter of perspective. To another animal we may just be another big, boring ape.

    Goblin Sharks are the only members of their family.

    I think “startlingly different” could describe a platypus.

    Narwhals are one of only two species in their family.

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  3. archaeopteryx1 says:

    I saw a cartoon once, in which a CEO was addressing his Board of Directors, saying, “Abraham Lincoln once said, ‘You can fool some of the people all of the time’ – and these are the ones we’ve designated as our target audience.

    It’s the carrot of eternal life – take that away and the religion folds.

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  4. john zande says:

    Why is there life when the odds are against there being such?

    Alert Sir Paul Nurse and convene a full session of the Royal Society!! It would appear from this statement that our apologist knows of not one, but numerous other universes against which he has compared ours and derived the “odds” against life existing!

    Do these people even think about the nonsense they write? Is there any filter??

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  5. Sonel says:

    Luckily most of us non-believers have common sense and doesn’t want to believe their fairy tales. Nothing anyone one of them could say that would change my mind so that I can be a believer again.

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  6. Most arguments like this one sound like this to me: “There is mystery so therefore God!”

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  7. “People willing to die for the claim Jesus is risen- the people who willingly died in Uganda following the advice of the cult leader must make it true” And people who fly planes into buildings make that action true and just because their god told them to. What an idjit. Oh, the Koran says the Bible is wrong about Jeebus being a god so he’s not. The Koran says so. Love this kinda logic.

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  9. emmylgant says:

    … yup. Already damn deluded.

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  10. >>> “Why should one become a christian?”

    In my case, I had no choice. Mom sent me to Catholic school when I was just a little kid.

    But, I got better… (intentional Monty Python reference).

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  11. shelldigger says:

    Mak I don’t know how you find these mental midgets. I don’t know how you slog through so much hogwash and manage to maintain your generous outlook.

    I went to the page and left a comment. I doubt it passes “moderation.” We shall see. Oh just for S&G’s I copied it:

    “That Jesus rose from the dead and that Christianity is true makes the best sense of the all the facts we have.”

    So, where are these facts you allude to. I saw a lot of huffing and puffing, many assertions with no evidence, and an over the top confirmation bias. Not one fact did you present. Indeed a lot of pretzel logic and bible quotes is all you’ve got here.

    Amazing consistency of bible passages? I almost fell out of my chair. The bible is one of the most inconsistent excuses for a book I have ever seen.

    My guess is your head is so far up your ass you cannot see anything that isn’t bible colored. I’d also bet anyone that would disagree with your opinion, well their comments wont make the light of day.

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  12. niceatheist says:

    Hi Noel,
    Something that started to bother me near the end of my faith was the fact that I was a Christian because that was the only religion presented to me. I’m an American who lived much of my childhood in the South. My parents were Christians. I went to a strict Bible college. I met my husband at Church. He was also brought up Christian. It wasn’t about signs, magic, providence or being a chosen vessel. I was a Christian and remained one until about 40 because my childhood, education, marriage and often, geographical location made me that way.

    There, mystery solved.

    Hope you are well. Thank you for your message today. It was great to hear from you!

    Charity

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  13. Barry says:

    His argument for a human desire for the supernatural, has some validity, but it doesn’t justify Christianity’s superiority over other religions. There are plenty of myths that paint a much nicer picture of God than that portrayed in the Bible. Take knowledge for example. The Christian God didn’t want mankind to gain it, hence the ban on eating from the tree of knowledge. On the other hand, in the Indigenous religion of New Zealand, Io (the supreme being, the fatherless One) gave the three baskets of knowledge to the gods from which they were to create mankind. If I was wanting to believe in a deity, then the generosity of Io wins out over Yewah any time.

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    • makagutu says:

      Sometimes I agree with you Barry and this is one such instance.
      Given a choice to believe in gods and to chose one, that choice wouldn’t be hard in this case.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        My choice would be Dionysus –

        Dionysus (/daɪ.əˈnaɪsəs/; Greek: Διόνυσος, Dionysos) is the god of the grape harvest, winemaking and wine, of ritual madness, fertility, theatre and religious ecstasy in Greek mythology. Alcohol, especially wine, played an important role in Greek culture with Dionysus being an important reason for this life style.

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        • makagutu says:

          In one of Nietzsche’s works, the birth of tragedy where he discusses art, Dionysus is pitted against Apollo.
          In the choice between Yahweh, Ol? and Dionysus, Dionysus wins for me

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  14. that last paragraph of the authors could be claimed by any religion. again, the utter ignorance of the TrueChristian(tm) reveals itself every time

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