28 thoughts on “Damn you!

  1. Fascinating. Damn scholars. Why, oh why, can’t they just accept the truth as it’s told to them? Why do they insist on LEARNING and VERIFYING things? They make it SO bloody hard for religious folk like me to convince all I say is true just because I said it. You’re right: DAMN THEM!!!!


    • makagutu says:

      Why can’t they just leave us alone with our delusions? They are always finding things, verifying things, correcting things and so much more! Damn them all


  2. Pretty sweet. This is kind-of amazing. Damn you science….why do you have to be so cool!


  3. basenjibrian says:

    I don’t know. The date ranges appear to be pretty inconclusive anyway, so I am not reading in the story anything all that earthshaking.


  4. Re: ‘Birmingham Koran’ fragment could be older than the Prophet Muhammad

    Ruh-roh! If Muslims didn’t already have enough to get them angry! So glad I live many thousands of miles from the Middle East. I wouldn’t go there if you paid me big bucks!


  5. “like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven.

    Golly gee, how original.


  6. john zande says:

    Now that is interesting! Of course, these idiots still believe the earth is flat, so i doubt they’re going to accept the science of Carbon dating.

    Wild twist, though.


  7. Evidence 1000. Faith 0


  8. Did they test the ink? It seems like that would be the kicker, not the paper.


  9. Hariod Brawn says:

    Never take anything you can read in The Daily Mail as gospel. 😉

    A far more reliable account of the matter:



  10. fojap says:

    From the Birmingham University website:

    “Radiocarbon analysis has dated the parchment on which the text is written to the period between AD 568 and 645 with 95.4% accuracy.”
    “…the Prophet Muhammad received the revelations that form the Qur’an, the scripture of Islam, between the years AD 610 and 632….”
    “The final, authoritative written form was completed and fixed under the direction of the third leader, Caliph Uthman, in about AD 650.”

    But the same article mentions that there were pieces written down before 650. So, it’s interesting, but doesn’t really point to anything definitive one way or another.

    “The Qur’an manuscript is part of the University’s Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts, held in the Cadbury Research Library. Funded by Quaker philanthropist Edward Cadbury, the collection was acquired to raise the status of Birmingham as an intellectual centre for religious studies and attract prominent theological scholars.”

    I can’t help feeling it wasn’t found in an institution that was more focused on archeology or history rather than theology. “Theological scholar” strikes me as an oxymoron.

    There might be all sorts of fascinating things in the Middle East that might never get a chance to be studied impartially, or at least not for generations.


    • makagutu says:

      I agree it might not amount to much.
      I think even the very human beginnings, without any assistance of the divine, of Islam hasn’t been fully looked into both by Muslims and non Muslims alike


  11. shelldigger says:

    Never fear. The gyrations and contortions the faithful must endure on a daily basis, to keep reality from encroaching upon their faith, will conveniently be more than strong enough to help them ignore this crisis.

    Faith, ignoring relaity since the dawn of fucking time.


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