In his post, atheism equals war and misery, we have believer, the ancients tell us
Calm down. (Yes, I actually like you)
The reason you’re angry is because you haven’t fully given thought to what Atheism really means. You glibly declare “Atheism is just a lack of belief in God(s)” without any in-depth analysis or critical study of the fundamentals of this belief system.
No one believes atheists/materialists cannot be moral. The issue is, while they CAN be moral without a BELIEF in God; it is impossible for them to be moral WITHOUT God.
Because there is a standard by which morality must be measured. The point the original poster is making is that atheists/materialists have no basis upon which to object to “immoral acts” because ultimately you have no point of reference for the meaning of good/evil.
You have no standard upon which to make your case; you have no ultimate authority that imposes any moral duties upon you. You have no point of reference for meaning; however when you do declare your own standards of morality- in essence, borrowing from God- now you’re clearly living beyond your own metaphysical assumptions and is just a typical religionist who advocates a stance but is unable to live by it.
I would expect any idiot who intends to criticize atheism to at least know it isn’t a belief system. That it has no fundamentals and regardless of what believers and others may want it to mean, it really is a lack of belief. If you don’t like it, take it up with the dictionary.
But that isn’t my beef. Any believer who claims that without god morality is not possible is a danger to themselves and to the public and excuse my grammar, a dickhead. The Judaeo- Christian god whose story is in the by-bowl is all things but moral. Maybe amoral would best describe this fictitious being.
Christians have killed one another for ages because of a failure to agree on the fiction they have to believe. To tell us the standard is this god or some book, is to display ignorance of the highest degree. For for almost every law given in the OT, there is to be found a place where the issuing authority disregards it or commands others to act in a way that directly contradicts the commandment.
For the umpteenth time, I want to remind this idiot and others, that morality only exist in groups. Without need to live together, in harmony, there would be no need for morals. Almost all, if not all, moral( whatever these are) prohibitions apply to groups. For example, to help this dimwit understand, do not steal would make no sense if you lived alone.
With god everything is permissible; rape, murder, theft, ritual killing. Don’t tell me we need the example of your monster phantom to live with each other.