We have covered the problem of evil here many times. What I find mind boggling is why theists keep repeating the same arguments to excuse their imaginary make-believe world, a world where gods exist and these gods love them. It is to misunderstand an argument to think of it as a trap as this apologist writes.
Her first excuse is to attempt to convince us that
A morally good being prevents all the evil that he has the power and opportunity to prevent.
is a flawed premise. To bolster their case, they use an analogy of a surgeon. This unfortunately doesn’t help their case. In the case of the surgeon, we all know they don’t claim perfect goodness and they are working with the knowledge available to them at that point. This is not true of their supposed god which they claim apart from being infinitely good is all-knowing. To believe that a perfectly good god would let any evil come to creatures it loves to get some good is abhorrent to logic. Such a being if it were to exist, wouldn’t be infinitely good.
I think a person who writes
They assume that evil is not necessary and it in fact is not necessary. However because we have free will, we choose to do right and wrong
has lost touch with reality. Good and evil are necessary in a naturalistic world where there is strife between organisms of the same species or different species. In a world governed by an omnipotent god, even with freewill, we would expect an all good god to make its creatures to always choose between differing degrees of good, like between hot chocolate and hot coffee. These same people who excuse god for such gross failures would be the first to condemn their neighbours to jail for an infraction, whatever it is. They are however willing to bend backwards all the way to excuse their god. I don’t know who is powerless; their god or themselves.
To absolve god, based on the freewill theodicy is, too me, also not well thought out. If the theist holds to the claim that god made humans and nothing happens without god allowing it, or without his knowledge, it is careless to say god is not culpable in the commission of the mistakes/ crimes. The theist must show that god did not create humans as they are with the capability for great error or good before they can absolve god for the good or bad that man does.
The last argument that without god life would be meaningless is itself lame. How does belief in a god give life any meaning? Why does the theist who believes in god and its love be miserable?
For 2,000 years (longer actually) the same excuses have been proffered. The argument has not progressed an inch. It is as unsatisfactory today as it was yesterday.
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And they keep rewriting them as if they are new.
One feels always like shouting, don’t be crazy. There are no dogs, you have been lied to!
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How bout cats?
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Thousands of years of dogs chasing their tails without catching them, and still, they chase them. One day, maybe, they’ll stop chasing their own asses, point their faces into the sun, and enjoy it before it’s gone. Maybe, but I highly doubt it.
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The last dog we had caught its tail and we have not had a dog since
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Without god life would be meaningless? Balderdash! Without Star Wars, life would be meaningless. $Amen$ Reading these apologetic arguments is like watching dogs chase their tails. They just spin and spin, and no matter how dizzy they get, they still think it’s wise to keep spinning.
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If you go to the site linked, our great friend SOM said that post had made him really think. It was a good post, in his view. You know, fresh and well thought out. I laughed
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I saw that. Oh, SoM, I bet your prison cot is cold at night.
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I think our good SoM is out on a short break to spend holidays with family
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Its fresh allright. Fresh squirt from the south end of a north bound bull.
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or the south end of a dairy cow in the spring Those bossies do have some range.
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Indeed they do. I have spent a bit of time on an old farm back in the day. I got a chuckle thinking about that 🙂
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A major problem unaddressed by the other persons post is that even if the God of the bible does in fact exist, he cannot be labeled as Good.
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The apologist doesn’t consider the possibility that their god isn’t good
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and of course, neither did we before
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That possibility hardly ever crossed my mind
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Jesus Mak. Stick to book reviews! Where did you find that pile of tosh? I did consider commenting about the asinine reference to cancer: not all cancers have surgery, not all cancers have chemo, and not all cancers are cured. However, I didn’t. I await de Pizan with much more interest. Where did you buy her? Am? I still dont get why she isnt on gutenberg 😦
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You should check your mail regularly 🙂 the book is lying there lo.
These apologists shock me. They wouldn’t let me go free if I watched a mugging and did nothing to help. Their god gets a free pass
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Good post, I read the post you refer to and found it totally lacking. He doesn’t even address the Epicurean Paradox. Half-truths help no one.
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Hey,
Have you enabled comments on your blog?
I think we are in agreement religion is an ill to the society
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Um I though I did. I’ll check.
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Ah thanks for letting me know about that, I had something ticked wrong.
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Most welcome
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