What is war


In war and peace, yea, I still haven’t finished reading it, there is a dialogue between Prince Andrew and Pierre about war that I think is well articulated.

But what is war? What is needed for success in warfare? What are the habits of the military?
The aim of war is murder; the methods of war are spying, treachery and their encouragement, the ruin of a country’s inhabitants, robbing them or stealing to provision the army and fraud and falsehood termed military craft.
The habits of the military class are the absence of freedom, that is, discipline, idleness, ignorance, cruelty, debauchery and drunkenness. And in spite of all this it is the highest class, respected by everyone. All the kings, except the Chinese, wear military uniforms, and he who kills most people receives the highest rewards.

They meet, as we shall meet tomorrow, to murder one another, they kill and maim tens of thousands, and then have thanksgiving services for having killed so many people and they announce a victory supposing that the more people they have killed, the greater their achievement.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

67 thoughts on “What is war

  1. charlypriest says:

    I will say this being myself a former soldier, when those nutcases that want to chop your heads like Alqaeda, ISIS, come knocking to your door, greet them with flowers. As I said in one of my posts, specially being from Spain and having been in the Spanish Legion. Society will despise us, but when the shit hits the fan, you do need tough bastards like we where to keep you tuck in your comfy home. Or not, just greet them with flowers, I´m sure it goes all well.

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    • archaeopteryx1 says:

      North Korea did not come knocking at our door, we came knocking at theirs – 36,516 Americans killed.

      The North Vietnamese did not come knocking at our door, we came knocking at theirs – 58,151 Americans killed.

      The Iraqis did not come knocking at our door, we came knocking at theirs – 4,425 total American deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 32,223 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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      • charlypriest says:

        What does that tell me? Nothing. Soldiers are there to fight, you are expendable as a soldier,you do knowingly sign the papers. I had to later on sign two other papers wich basically said that if I didn´t make it back to where should my belongings and money go too So what? What shit is that? Soldiers die, part of the job. Don´t like it, don´t get in that line of work. Plus if I remember reading your post it wasn´t putting soldiers in a very good light to say it mildly.
        Now rant whatever you want, I´m out, gotta chat up some ladies

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        • archaeopteryx1 says:

          Don´t like it, don´t get in that line of work.

          I would agree with that completely, but now you’re backpeddling from your assertion that these people were on the verge of knocking on our doors, instead of the US practice of using military personnel as mindless drones to pursue the interests of oil company execs and arms manufacturers.

          I´m out, gotta chat up some ladies” – If you have your brass polished, maybe you can impress them with something shiny, or possibly your pretty little colored ribbons.

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      • makagutu says:

        The Somalis didn’t come knocking at your doors, I don’t know but I don’t think it ended well for the troops who went down there

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    • I am a former soldier too, and the warmongering impulses expressed by you charlypriest are not shared by all who honorably served their countries – not by a long shot. I lost several friends in the Vietnam War because America’s leaders lied to the nation about the reasons for going to war. Those unprincipled leaders were serving the capitalist oligarchs atop the military-industrial complex, which President Eisenhower warned us about, who were motivated only by greed and the lust for power. It was blood money, pure and simple.

      The American soldiers who fought in Vietnam had no choice, they were drafted. I, like most other enlistees, did so for a variety of reasons which did not include a perverse desire to become a robotic killer. War is not a lifestyle, it is a state of mind. Those having such a mental state is the very reason why war exists at all.

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      • archaeopteryx1 says:

        Let me give you an example of the power-brokers taking this country into war.

        Halliburton’s major business segment is the Energy Services Group (ESG). ESG provides technical products and services for petroleum and natural gas exploration and production. Halliburton’s former subsidiary, KBR, is a major construction company of refineries, oil fields, pipelines, and chemical plants. They service the oil industry.

        From 1995 until 2000, he, Dick Cheney, served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton.

        When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments. In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, “I had other priorities in the ’60s than military service“.

        Who didn’t?

        During ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom,’ suddenly Halliburton became all things to all people – military construction, independent contractors of para-military personnel not affiliated with the US Army, handlers of prisoners, such as those at Abu Ghraib, etc.

        Who can we suspect might have been responsible for a simple oil field services company, to draw down millions upon millions of dollars for services entirely unrelated to their normal field of operations?

        The entire cartel in charge of the White House, Bush Lite, Cheney and Rumsfeld, all came from the oil industry. The war in Iraq was about oil, let no one tell you otherwise. Those like Charly would have you believe that Saddam was poised to knock on your door, but that just demonstrates how deeply they have indoctrinated him.

        Korea was invaded on pretext; Viet Nam was invaded to assist our NATO buddies, the French, who had invaded the country themselves, and the invasion of Iraq was demonstrably based on lies, yet young men with their entire lives ahead of them, were forced to risk those lives on the mistaken belief that they were in some way safeguarding American freedoms.

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      • charlypriest says:

        perverse desire to become a robotic killer, you said. You guys are giving me good ideas for my writing. Thank you.

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    • makagutu says:

      What are the habits of the military? Ignorance.
      As a service man you’ve been fed the lie that you must fight for fatherland or motherland. Protect your borders. You never have the opportunity to ask yourself whether there was a good rationale for going to war in the first place

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  2. charlypriest says:

    Forgot.
    You keep reading, cause if I remember correctly Little girls in Afghanistan or Afghanishit as I like to call it didn´t have the privilege to read( they wouldn´t let them go to schools) until we came along.

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  3. archaeopteryx1 says:

    War is chess played with people.

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    • makagutu says:

      He says this about comparison with chess. And not that you are wrong

      Yes,” replied Prince Andrew, “but with this little difference, that in chess you may think over each move as long as you please and are not limited for time, and with this difference too, that a knight is always stronger than a pawn, and two pawns are always stronger than one, while in war a battalion is sometimes stronger than a division and sometimes weaker than a company. The relative strength of bodies of troops can never be known to anyone. Believe me,” he went on, “if things depended on arrangements made by the staff, I should be there making arrangements, but instead of that I have the honor to serve here in the regiment with these gentlemen, and I consider that on us tomorrow’s battle will depend and not on those others…. Success never depends, and never will depend, on position, or equipment, or even on numbers, and least of all on position.”

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  4. Takes a long time to get through War and Peace, eh? Took me a year I think. Great book, but LONG! Good quote, btw. War, I always say, is about getting those without freewill to accept they have it.

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  5. archaeopteryx1 says:

    Hi, Ems – how have you been?

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