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There has been a related debate about burqas for Air France staff who go to Iran
Is it that we live in societies that can’t stand women?
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Ooooh. Dodgy territory Mak. But, I’ll bite.
Read the NZ one elsewhere. Usual story, naught women, no, teenage girls mustn’t distract predatory men who absolutely can’t think without their dick.
Air France one was new. This is different. Respect for religion. No!!! Wait!!! This is the same theme. Telling women what to do. How to behave. What to wear. Because, if women don’t cover up, they get raped and/or murdered.
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I was hoping you would say something on this.
It’s territory I tour in a glass van. Dodgy as it gets.
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Hey. You are pointing it out. Thank you for that. Up to the rest of us to add to that.
So … in the first article (I think), there was rightful criticism about what women should wear and putting demarcation on that. No one should tell anyone what to wear. Easy.
But … but … but. That one ended with saying women can wear the shortest skirts, minimalist clothes etc.
The big question is, why do we do that? And believe me, I’ve done it.
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With fashion trends, especially on women clothing changing faster that the hour hand, it would be a difficult job to start to police what women or anyone for that matter should wear.
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One could say that about men too. The notorious builder’s crack for example.
But there is a big dofference in intent. THAT is the issue.
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Thanks to urban dictionary, I know builders crack. I think those have loose nuts somewhere. I have seen young boys dressed like that here and you almost fear for their pants!
Talking about intent. Why do most people, men especially, think a woman dressed in some way or other is doing it for show? Do you think a case can be made for this?
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Um Mak, I’ll bow out here. I think your readers are not too up on feminism.
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I will follow this up with you
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All I can say to article one is, I am sorry. I am a man. I simply cannot keep myself from having a look. I try to be subtle, non invasive, and would not resort to catcalls or whistles or other obnoxious behavior. But again I am a man. I am sorry. 0.0
Article two, simple. Fuck Iran. Stop sending your planes there, they clearly do not deserve your business.
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At what point does looking become invasive? If one only looks, has he transgressed?
I thought so too. Eff Iran but then it occurred to me they have oil and we want oil money and the situation just became complex
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I think when looking crosses the line to ogling we have …transgressed 🙂
1. They arent the only place to buy oil.
2. When people do buy thier oil, how does the $$ get spent?
3. Fuck Iran. Let them put oil on their pancakes.
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Those pancakes might be awful or tasteless 😀
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“Is it that we live in societies that can’t stand women?” I believe so. Societies that can’t stand, and often fear women.
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It would be interesting to find out how they lived back in the day with clothing that just covered fundamentals
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Well, my tunic is totally see through, and when people see my 2 foot ass walking toward them, they run. This has nothing to do with your comment, but I thought you’d want to know it. Thanks, and have a pleasant day. $Amen$
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I have been wondering about that and your height especially.
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It’s true, we do live in societies that fear and hate women. And, this male chauvinism predates its more modern religious expression. It’s all about power and control over female sexuality – a very primal motive, indeed.
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How do we move forward?
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Evolution; but, it depends on whether human civilization survives long enough for us to advance that far.
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I think we may survive for a while longer, how I don’t know
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Intuition? I also think Homo sapiens will survive into the foreseeable future. However, modern civilization as it is currently constructed appears destined to fail within the coming decades. Societies that are overly complex, overly dependent on unsustainable practices, eventually collapse under their own weight.
If all this is true, then male attitudes towards female sexuality will get worse, not better. The revolutionary and acclaimed biologist E. O. Wilson explained how evolution and social behavior are linked in some species (e.g. humans), see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiology
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We seem to live in a society that also thinks so little of men that we assume they can’t take responsibility for their actions.
And women are looking at men too! Why is there never any expectation that the men cover up to avoid inflaming the passions of women?
I think the correct response for the Air France staff is to have everyone on their flight crews wear head scarves while off duty.
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When we were in Somalia at the beginning of the year with the lady engineer, she would wear a burka whenever we were out.
I think it is easier to just have a male crew than have women wear burkas just to bend backwards for a religion.
Interesting point ubi. The question would be how often do men get cat-called in the streets? Whereas I am all for my dress my choice, I have met some men in the mall who seem to have left home in an emergency.
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“The question would be how often do men get cat-called in the streets?” Never happens to me. Probably for the reason I stated above. Probably.
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Most likely people don’t see you and when they do, they find you interesting to look at 😀
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There is/was a terrible classist website I am ashamed??? to admit I used to peruse for a snobby chuckle….PeopleofWalmart.com
Horrible, horrible fashion choices…all sexes and genders.
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each of us, buddy, have some things we would rather not admit. Like I once served as a altar boy during a small Sunday mass
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And now that I have visited the site, I can understand what you mean
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Brazil has many faults, but sexual freedom is not one of them. Sexiness oozes here. Now, I’ve wondered how refugees who arrive here (and Brazil has taken in many from the Middle East) react to this openness.
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That would be an interesting study though it would not reveal much. I think the people from the middle east have learnt to act. Once out of there, I think, they would just be like the rest of the men, looking and once every so often making comments positive or negative
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Sometimes, being a woman sucks; but most times, unscrupulous men, with an iota of power, suck–majorly.
All I will say is this:
“Women, do whatever pleases you.”
“Unscrupulous men, just worry about yourselves for a change, thank you very much!!!!”
“All kind, compassionate and ‘let-live’ type gentlemen, we appreciate you for reminding us (women) that we are much more than the clothes we wear.”
🙂
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I like live and let live policy.
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Throw off the shackles of textileism and become a nudist.
“Give me your thighs, your pubes, your huddled mammaries yearning to breathe free.”
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I was kicked out of a nudist colony once. There are some people, like me, when nude, who are offensive to look at, even for life long nudists.
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Who can blame them, really?
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Sadly, I must agree with you. But, like Groucho Marx once said, “I’d never want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.”
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Good thing about all this is you know yourself. At least in that one aspect, you can’t be faulted
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Thanks.
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I have a similar saying: I’d never want to belong to a club that would have me club my member.
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Haha Ron. I, too, wouldn’t join that club
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Whaddya expect? Flashing lightning rods in public doesn’t go over well with nude sunbathers.
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I know. I’ve learned the hard way.
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