I hardly talk about abortion for the simple reason it is for most people very emotive and because it is not in my place to tell a woman, any woman what to do when she finds herself pregnant. So I am not going to talk about abortion.
Here is a link that I thought you all may like to read: The only moral abortion is my abortion
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I sometimes get a little annoyed with the whole abortion debate. At times it just seems like a total distraction from other important women’s issues. Personally, I’d like to know why so many birth methods and sterilizations are so shitty. Why can’t we improve that? Then maybe there’ll be little need for the whole back and forth on abortion. Why are urologists and obgyns often not honest and rarely helpful in treating women regarding birth control, sexual issues, incontinence, female cancers, pregnancy, and post partum? Throwing antidepressants at us and telling us to find a good Sunday school class does not help female issues. And we can say that it’s the male doctors who treat us horribly all day long. However, I’ve been to some pretty shitty female doctors regarding these issues as well.
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You ask very hard questions.
While I don’t have answers, I think one of the problems is we start to late, on sex Ed, if it is there at all or are too afraid to even talk about it. So I propose we start with education. And for those already past this to get the best available information on the reproductive choices they have.
Maybe that way we will begin to address the problem.
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It’s just that I’ve gone way out of my way to not have a bunch of kids. However, I still continue to pay a steep price. I have to admit, it’s encouraged me to be pro choice for I personally know just how crummy the medical alternatives in preventing pregnancies are.
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The only moral abortion is my abortion. Brilliant title.
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I thought so too. And the anecdotes….
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…and you perhaps expected differently from our religious hypocrites? 😉
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Not at all. I just find their admissions or tales in those anecdotes kinda shocking
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Show me a religious person. I will show you a hypocrite. They may spit and sputter and even get angry at the accusation, but I guarantee at some level they are hypocrites. Their entire existence a facade of pious self promotional bullshit. Kinda like Trump now that I think about it…
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At least for Drumpf, he hasn’t claimed he is being honest. All I hear is he has words, many words
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Lol! If Trump claimed any sort of honesty I think the wheels would fall off of his campaign.
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He does claim to be a persecuted victim, however. Poor guy.
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He, too, suffers from persecution complex? Strange world
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Yes he, and his minions, most definitely do. Poor, poor, Donnie. Picked on by the evil liberal media; ridiculed by the family of a slain soldier, mocked by Mexican judges. Oh, the humanity! Don’t ya feel bad for ’em?
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But he has brought it on himself. He seems to have his mouth on the wrong place
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How DARE you say that! You MUST be part of the liberal media defaming this good man’s name. He’s a loving, emphatic man who, in his own words, has sacrificed as much for America as those who’ve lost a son or daughter in war. The Donald is perfection; those who question him are lying, vile blasphemous dogs. Those who can’t see this are hateful liberals spreading horrid lies about this perfect man. Hope this clears it all up for you. Thanks, and remember, there’s no better way to make friends than to build walls between nations.
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His only claim to fame is I have words, I know words
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“I know words, and many others agree with me.” He never, of course can back those words up. Trump is one of most vile pieces of shit I’ve ever encountered. He’s the embodiment of all that’s sick in my country and in many countries in the world. The typical response to this, from Trump devotees, is “Oh yeah! Well, Hillary’s bad, too!” Great argument technique. Can’t defend the vile piece of shit you support? OK, bring up someone else, put the emphasis on her, and hopefully folks will forget about the stinking pile of shit you’re supporting. Man, but do I hate this guy and all he represents.
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I have no doubt about that.
It is shocking he made it this far
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Shocking and an indictment on the darkness that plagues so many American’s souls. To vote for this pig. Ouch!
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You know I agree
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You, sir, will get two 50 cent wills sent to you for being so wise.
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Do you think I can sell these wills?
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I’m sure you can. Just tell folks they’re free then charge them what you wish. 🙂
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Thanks. And I can break them into small pieces and make a profit
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You are wise, my friend.
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That’s what she said
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We all have our opinions and beliefs about certain things and may even “fight to the death” to defend our perspectives. That is, UNTIL it comes down to our personal life and circumstances. Then everything changes.
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And it is exactly for that reason I will fight to the death for my principles but avoid the death, simply because I could be wrong
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You are so wise and funny!
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You are so kind my dear friend
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That’s the thing about hypocristians they have an exceptional relationship with their moral code : if his/her conscience allows it it’s fine. Not a sin. Nah. Just a weakness… after all they are human.
I call it individual exceptionalism. It’s normal because they are great. And they are great because they are good, to borrow from Hillary’s DNC speech. Gawd!!! I wanna spit.
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Exactly!
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I, on the other hand, enjoy talking about it 😉
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I think you love punishment.
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Quite on the contrary. The argument is remarkably straightforward and emotion-free.
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In your head anyway. 🙂
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I agree John. It is a pretty straightforward argument. Don’t legislate people’s bodies. Banning doesn’t do shit. Sex education, health care, contraception…accept that humans are going to have sex!
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Now, I don’t disagree with any of that. There is a demographic that doesn’t and they make the most noise
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I know you don’t. And I do understand why it’s difficult to talk about because of the ire you can receive in return, but it’s just too bad, because it seems like something we could be more rational about. But then so do a lot of things. lol
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Others come to the debating room with TRUTH, and they expect everyone else to accept their version without question and that is where the problem is
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But even more importantly from the foetal development perspective. The ‘moral outcry” we hear has no grounding in reality. The facts can be presented in a calm and ordered manner, leaving the so-named “pro-lifer” without a tile a stand on.
It’s one of the reasons I’ve been banned from so many Christian blogs. This subject does it, it drives them nuts… all the time 🙂
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Great article, BTW. That’s a keeper.
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That, it is.
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Really interesting, thanks for linking to it.
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Wise move.
The first rule of discussing things that don’t confront me is: I do not talk about things that don’t confront me.
The second rule of discussing things that don’t confront me is: I DO NOT talk about things that don’t confront me.
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Wise maxims to live by
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Not sure what you mean Ron. Is that comment for me?
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Sorry. I must have pressed the wrong “Reply” button. It was supposed to be a new, freestanding comment to Makagutu.
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I thought it was
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[…] The argument [for abortion] is remarkably straightforward and emotion-free. (John Zande on Random Thoughts) […]
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If a woman chooses to be anti-abortion
it is not for me to challenge that decision
it is for her to decide what to do with her mind
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I think I agree.
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Would you mind reading my abortion blog and tell me what you think? I’m torn up about it. Thanks!
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Where is the link?
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Brelive.wordpress.com
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If….Then
If someone promises to stay in a relationship with you if you have an abortion….then shouldn’t they be obligated to keep there promise?
We are …
abortion. lies. sorrow. unfair. tricked
https://brelive.wordpress.com/2016/10/18/if-then/
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I am not sure what type of response you are looking for.
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Agreed, I am this: Her decision. Especially in deceitful conditions, i.e. rape, drugged, incestuous. Life is special. Woman are fabulously endowed with the gift of creating life. Religion and culture should not be a decision making aspect. Further more as individuals we want to push our own opinions, but really we should keep our mouths shut when it comes to the outcome of someone in this instance. We can give support. I have learned acceptance brings contentment. I do not pretend to know how hard it is to face these decisions, but I do know how hard it is to live your life in accordance with someone else’s beliefs.
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If someone thinks their religion is an important aspect in their pregnancy, their choice. My contention is they should not then use that to dictate how others should live
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For those that are wanting somebody to relate with; especially the younger college generations, I wish that you would use me as a resource . The truth is going through an abortion has a lot of personal consequences; I believe that anything messy or dirty has a consequence to it… but it is redeemable through Christ.
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No one denies that abortion has consequences.
I am not sure your christ would know anything to do with it
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[…] links to a very interesting article in his post On Abortion, which has numerous examples of anti-abortion women believing there is a moral argument for their […]
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