on abortion: a follow up

A few days when  I shared a link about abortion, I added it is one topic that I prefer not to indulge in. VioletWisp wrote about it, and there have been various comments.

But, this one

On the contrary, I am here to agree with VW that abortion must be a difficult and often horrific experience, and that there is much more involved than some men will allow.

Many women go there because they believe that is the only option they have. My view is that that is to our society’s shame, and that better options ought to be offered. Many of us “forced birthers” have nothing but sympathy for women who are compelled to have abortions, and it is the pro-life community which recognizes that there is often trauma at the end of that experience. It sure ain’t the pro-abort; they tell women in the US to shout and be proud. There’s no room in their agenda for feeling something negative about your abortion.

Is one of the reasons I don’t write about it. There is, here, a clear shift on what the debate is about. Madblog has decided to shift the debate to be whether those women who for whatever reason have an abortion feel horror at the experience and not whether they had a right to make that choice. She wants to make it sound those arguing for pro-choice do not think it is a hard decision to make, mostly a traumatizing one for most if not all the women? And that it is those one the pro-choice side who in the long run are concerned with the life of both the mother and child. So I don’t, for the life of me, understand where madblog gets her idea. I also suspect she didn’t read the link that was in my post. All those anecdotes are of women who were against abortion but were able to rationalize their abortion as being the only moral abortion.

In that article I shared, the doctors say plainly that they ask the women if they really want an abortion. And I would guess this must be the practice in any health facility.  I didn’t know there were forced birthers. That’s a new one for me, but then again America is a strange place, what with he who cannot be named being a presidential candidate.

It is, in my view, wrong to call those who are pro-choice pro- abortion. That is shifting the argument completely. I am yet to see news items where people are told how to feel or not feel about their abortion.

We must begin to be reasonable. No one wants women procuring abortions as a contraceptive. Well, I know I don’t want that. We must address the issue soberly and rationally. The solution must begin or at least include proper sex education, provision and education on use of other contraceptives, education to empower everyone, access to resources among others.

Maybe, just lastly, the discussion is not whether women who chose to have an abortion are not horrified by the decision but whether women have the right to chose to have an abortion. This, I think, is the question.  But maybe I am wrong and I am more than glad to be properly instrcuted. As I have said several times before, it is a topic I may not be making pronouncements on.

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35 thoughts on “on abortion: a follow up

  1. john zande says:

    Madblog is deceitful, exercises wilfull ignorance, deliberately misrepresents figures, and simply lies to serve her forced-birth agenda. There is no reasoning with a person like that. All that can be done when confronted with such a person is to expose their lies…. until they ban you, of course, for doing so.

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  2. I agree. I think people often try shifting the goalposts in talking about abortion. I don’t know anyone who loves the idea of an abortion but they should have the right to make that choice for themselves. That’s the crux of the matter.

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  3. Who the fudge is “pro-abortion”? “LOOK! there’s a pregnant woman! Let’s rip the fetus from her womb! We’re pro-abortionists!” Craziness. The key here is choice-women need the right to choose what to do with their own bodies.

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  4. violetwisp says:

    Good post, I haven’t had time to respond to comments on my post, just scanning on phone. Hope I haven’t missed all the chat when I get to a computer tomorrow….


  5. I think the World Health Organization showed what’s at the bottom of the forced-birth mentality:

    “Access to safe, legal abortion is a fundamental right of women, irrespective of where they live. The underlying causes of morbidity and mortality from unsafe abortion today are not blood loss and infection but, rather, apathy and disdain toward women.”

    Click to access lancet_4.pdf

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  6. Eh, you should be fine so long as you recognize the difference between morality arguments and legality arguments. The latter in the U.S. are only slightly murky, while the former really can only be settled on an individual basis.


  7. >>> “It is, in my view, wrong to call those who are pro-choice pro- abortion.”

    >>> “Maybe, just lastly, the discussion is not whether women who chose to have an abortion are not horrified by the decision but whether women have the right to chose to have an abortion. This, I think, is the question.”

    Correct on all counts. As someone who has personal experience with abortion, I can say that it is a very disturbing process to go through. But, sometimes couples find themselves in a very unfortunate situation, and are forced to make difficult choices.

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  8. Nan says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again (along with you): women have the right to chose to have an abortion. That. Is. The. Bottom. Line. No further discussion required.

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  9. Carmen says:

    The thing that is also maddening is that fundamentalists insist that women’s choices are their business – not so.

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  10. Scottie says:

    The others here are correct. I agree it is a woman’s body and her right what becomes of it, and what to do with it. No one else has a say, especially not someone not involved. Thank you. Hugs

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