There are no successful black nations


There is an interesting article in FP that I think most of you will find interesting

Racism is not limited to the Unites States. There is no non-black nation, even among the most liberal ones, where the black man is dignified. History dealt us an unforgiving blow in the incursion of foreigners into black lands. The Arabs enslaved tribes and nations and then colonized and evangelized them. Then came the Europeans, who, persuaded the Africans were of an inferior race, divided up the continent over lunch in Berlin in 1884. They carted off a large population of its people — sometimes leaving entire villages almost empty — and brought those who remained on the continent under their rule. So complete was the transformation that no black nation retained its ancestral nationhood, national language, or national identity. And today we often hear of how China or India or some other nation is “taking over” Africa economically. There is almost no nation whose majority is of a different race that has not spat on the face of the black person, at one time or the other.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

27 thoughts on “There are no successful black nations

  1. Why have Jews prospered so well then? Jews have been persecuted at least as much as blacks throughout history, but they managed to get their shit together and do very well for themselves. How could they do it, but blacks haven’t? I don’t know the answer, I just find it curious.

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    • makagutu says:

      Interesting question.
      I haven’t thought about this much. The Jews are almost a homogeneous group and number about 15 million[wikipedia], with 80% living in Israel. From its creation half a century ago, I think they have had support from the super powers un-paralled with what Africa, with her diverse people have received in return.
      There are studies that have shown that development aid coming to Africa has, instead of leading to development, impoverished her. The donor policies, the international markets, and the long-term effects of colonialism have made it, in my view, hard for Africa to move forward.
      I still think what I have mentioned above do not explain why Africa hasn’t progressed much far.
      Why for example hasn’t any African country come up with homegrown solutions to her economic or governance problems?
      How does Africa justified undemocratic elections? Is democracy even suited for her? How does she tackle tribalism? Could Africa draw from her history and change things around for her people?
      How is it that travel and business within Africa is so low? Why are governments not doing much to improve trade and free movement among the people of Africa?
      I don’t have answers. Your question is food for thought.

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      • Yeah, it’s strange that some groups of humans just do better than other groups.
        Africa has the most natural resources on Earth, but for all of African’s history, no one has managed to harness those resources to make enormous prosperity and wealth for the society as a whole. Whereas Western Europeans created the Industrial Revolution and the modern world, whilst being a very small population and having miniscule amounts of land to work with. (I’m excluding the Colonies of the UK, because the first railways and trains and industry was built in the UK by English/Scottish/Welsh people with their own resources). Weird.

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        • makagutu says:

          It is weird. Look at the case of Nigeria. They are up there in the big oil players but having nothing to show for it. The Shells and BP of this world extract the oil and bring back refined oil. There is no value addition from Nigeria. It is sad, really.

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          • I know yeah, although Nigerian peoples (especially Nigerians do VERY well when they migrate to Western countries like the UK and US and here in Australia) – they start up businesses, food shops and all that stuff. But in Africa, they’re stunted?
            I’ve heard a lot of theories on why African people have never really done much in the world – some say that the Europeans HAD to innovate and invent things because the weather was awful, they had to invent new warm clothing and methods of food storage that could deal with the cold…etc…
            But life in Africa is by no means easy, they have lions and all sorts of horrible beasts trying to kill them all the time. So I don’t know.
            There is (controversial but true) proof that Africans have a lower average IQ than most other groups of people on Earth (only the Aboriginal Australians have a lower average IQ) – although this is true, I find it hard to believe that a slightly lower IQ leads to horrible countries in Africa and such. But then again – the European Jews have the highest average IQ of all peoples on Earth, and they seem to have done very well for themselves.
            I mean, it’s a horrible thing to say, but maybe average IQ levels lead to progress…eventually anyways…….because the Western Europeans have the second highest IQs, but lived in utterly awful Medieval conditions for hundreds of years….they eventually got out of that and started the modern world.
            People think that evolution only happens “below the neck”. But no, there are very observable IQ differences between the races. It’s not a nice thing to learn, but it is true.
            By no means are African peoples inferior (actually they are athletically SO MUCH MORE superior!), they’re not inferior, they’re just different. And I for one, like that there are different groups on Earth. If we were all the same, the world would be boring!

            Peace out. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            And Nigerians also run the biggest internet scam:)
            Your comment made me look at what had been said about IQ and race. Interesting views really.
            I asked a few friends what they thought. One said if there are physical differences between whites, Asians and blacks, why shouldn’t there be mental? Or in this case IQ?
            Only question should be why so low? Is it genetic or is it environmental?
            And so if we go back to our earlier question, is IQ difference the real reason why black nations are as they are?
            Why should this lead to conflict, travel and trade barriers among black nations? Or rather why should their IQ affect how they relate with one another?

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          • There are theories about why IQ increases among a people, but no one knows for sure. But all we can say is that a higher IQ will almost certainly lead to a higher civilization, China, Europe, Jews etc. Lower IQ groups, Africans, Aboriginals, KAlahari Bushmen etc, have very little going on in terms of civilization.
            I kind of like the weather theory – that the people who moved up into Europe from Africa, very quickly had to learn how to live in a drastically different environment, and had to invent new technologies etc. Thereby making them smarter, only the most inventive, clever peoples back then would have survived.
            I don’t know if it’s true, but it makes sense to me.

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          • makagutu says:

            This reminds me of an anecdote: that a fish will die thinking itself a fool because it can’t climb a tree.
            Maybe the Kalahari bushman, the black man, Aboriginals didn’t have to do so much.
            But that theory of the movement north doesn’t explain why those blacks taken as slaves to these cold regions haven’t risen to the level of the whites.

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          • Well actually, African Americans (descendents of slaves) have higher IQs than their pure African counterparts. Not as high as whites, but definitely higher than real Africans. Which is interesting.

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          • makagutu says:

            That’s interesting.

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  2. Veracious Poet says:

    I didn’t find any new idea in the whole article. Racism and tribalism occurs everywhere even in all white societies. The British often despise the Scottish and only a few centuries back, Europe was plagued with tribal wars leading to executions of Kings and other nobles. And what about the French revolution which lead to between 16,000 and 40,000 dead bodies and eventual overthrow of the French monarchy. This is the painful reality that gives rebirth to all societies that truly wish to advance. When was the last time Africans mastered courage and confronted their reality? I believe development is a process and every continent or racial unit has its own timeline.

    Nkrumah had long written about what uncontrolled capitalism will do to Africa. He called it “Neocolonialism, The Last Stage of Imperialism.” The slave trade and slavery destroyed the reputation of the black race and likely brought reasoning to a halt. Many Africans are used to relying on other races. Unlike the Jewish community, Africa is the most diverse continent both physically, culturally, ideologically and socially so it will be difficult to organize and direct such a society. Also, Africa is not being allowed by the greater powers to grow its own teeth in oder that it can bite. Many African countries still use constitutions crafted by former colonial powers.

    I think the solution here is to combine aspects of democracy and capitalism with aspects of socialism if we are interested in the good of all or at least the majority.

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    • makagutu says:

      Tribalism occurs in all societies is not in dispute. Question is why do most Arab and European countries seem stable despite the tribalism?
      Why does Africa’s economic growth seem stagnant? Is it a result of policy elsewhere that has kept us in poverty or is it to blamed purely on us?
      Of course I agree with Nkrumah. We replaced the white guy and put a black imperialist in their place. In a way the fight for independence is only halfway won.
      I agree with you that Africa is diverse in all those ways you mention. And each state has its own character that it would be almost impossible to have a single thing to unite around.

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      • Veracious Poet says:

        I think political instability on the African soil is as a result of unlawful external interference. Africa’s economy is rigged and manipulated by imperialist powers through easy loans and carefully engineered financial support schemes. Psychological and cultural elements in our society also ensure that people of sub normal intelligence predominate and rise to leadership positions. So herein lies the problem. You might be interested in this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xpKKHcC8eU

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      • basenjibrian says:

        Maka: I really disagree.

        The stability you speak of has not been the eternal state of Europe at all. City states constantly warring, the feudal system, kings attacking kings, the Cathar Crusade and Genocide, 100 Years War, Wars of Dynastic Succession, on and on and on. Some posit that this is why the Europeans have become so dominant in the past decades-because they became so successful at inventing weapons and waging war. Heck, there were two WORLED WARS in which tens of millions of people died less than a century ago in Europe.

        Arab countries for 400 years were backwaters. They didn’t really invent a lot. And to even imply that the Arab world is “stable” in any way seems strange given today’s headlines.

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      • Scottie says:

        I know this may not count for much… however it is my view. I have known people of greatness who happened to be black skinned. I have personally known these people and I deeply respect them. I don’t understand the need to separate people by skin color to intelligence levels. Altho a white male I would surely fail such a test compared to others I have known who were of a darker skin than I. No I think the reason that different African governments fail or raise is due to the unbearable pressure put on the leaders of those places. Such force on any other country in its infancy would have changed its whole direction. Now with so many factions from economic interests to the major religious groups pouring money into the mix.. The question is not how any group can govern, but how do they escape the trap set against them by the many groups offering big money. Look if the USA, the original big money in politics can not resist such things, then how can less developed nations. Well it is how I see this. I think if they could isolate the entire continent for several decades then we would see a huge difference in government and an extremely viable continent come into being. ( more so than it is now ) Hugs

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  3. john zande says:

    What seems to have been missed in Africa (and Australia) was empire building. To me, this signifies a greater respect for the “other” than that felt in other parts of the world. I know in aboriginal culture there was very little warring had between the 900+ nations which existed before 1777. Conflicts did occur, but these were not driven by greedy egotistical maniacs.

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  4. Ron says:

    I was taught it all traces back to some guy who saw his father drunk and naked in a tent after a long boat ride.

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  5. […] In my previous post, we were discussing why there are no stable black nations. These black nations include those in Africa and the Caribbean. […]

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  6. Tish Farrell says:

    Western interest has been systematically impoverishing African territories for five hundred years. Western interest still controls the major resources across the continent. Western interest has manipulated the political regimes of many African states, the DR Congo being the most obvious example. This vast state comprising many peoples is still being manipulated, and now the Chinese have moved in too.
    The western/outsider corporations that exploit African resources do not pay fairly e.g Zambia is not the direct/main beneficiary of its copper reserves although it of course provides the workforce. No need to mention De Beers and its consequences!!!

    In the past across the continent there were powerful African states, and great empires, many dating from periods when most westerners lived in mud huts. See Basil Davidson’s historical works.
    In ancient times there was the Nubian Empire whose relationship with and influence on Ancient Egypt is only beginning to be uncovered. Egypt is of course in Africa, and its origins therefore African and reaching back into distant prehistory.

    In the Middle Ages, the Empire of Mali was just one example of sophisticated African culture and entrepreneurship, its influence extending across the Sahara and beyond. Ibn Battuta wrote one of the first tour guides in the 1320s. The University of Timbuctu is one of the earliest and attracted scholars from across the Islamic world.

    Another Middle Ages kingdom with wide spheres of trading influence was Great Zimbabwe. Others succeeded it. There was also the Kongo kingdom of the Angola-Congo region until it was trashed by the Portuguese and their slaving operations.

    Slaving by European and Arab nations not only depopulated the continent, it robbed it of its fittest, youngest populations. Ever since, western commentators have done a good job at convincing the world that the African continent has no great historical heritage. It has a vested interest in selling the lie of African people’s intrinsic inferiority. Colonisation of the Mind as Kenyan writer, Ngugi wa Thiongo puts it.

    And please excuse me, Mak, for taking up so much of your space.

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    • makagutu says:

      No, Tish, you have spoken well.
      And having done a tour of Africa, lived in some of its cities you are at least able to say something from experience. Others sing the song they have heard over and over that they believe it must be true

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