Authority to interpret religious texts


This post brings to focus this comment

SPINOZA WROTE:

Let each person decide for themselves whether the religions conforms to their natural reason and to believe as they so wish or rather as they are convinced. (sic)

~~~~~~  I cannot agree with this assessment.

Natural reason and the mind of mere, fallible, and finite human thinking, with evolving standards of humanity and their supporting solutions is out of the picture when compared with Almighty God’s omniscience and supernatural power.  That would be like the pot telling the potter what to do.

There is a necessity to follow rational convention when interpreting Scripture.

HERMENEUTICS :   principles and methods of Bible interpretation.

Historically, the most common approaches to Bible interpretation have been the

ALLEGORICAL [which  errantly sees symbolic language just about everywhere in the Bible text];   A story that has a deeper or more general meaning in addition to its surface meaning. Allegories are composed of several symbols or metaphors.

LITERALISTIC [which prefers to take the words of the text as they are given and fails to appreciate picture language symbolic use of words to the degree that literal interpreters do];  and

LITERAL [ the method which takes the words of the text in their ordinary sense but allows for the use of symbolic and poetic language IF, and only IF other parts of the Bible endorse it].

Just as import, is the proper EXEGESIS [exposition, explanation; especially : an explanation or critical interpretation of a text in Scripture]  which includes using the context around the passage of Scripture, comparing it with other parts of the Bible, and applying an understanding of the language at the time of the writing, in an attempt to understand clearly what the original writer, inspired by God the Holy Spirit, was conveying.

 In other words, it is trying to pull out of the passage the meaning inherent in it.

 The opposite of exegesis, which is called EISEGES, uses an approach to interpreting a Bible passage by reading into it a meaning that is not evident at all by the passage or by how one “feels” what it means to make it fit into a preconceived notion to satisfy the “itching ears” of those who want God’s word to exonerate them.

The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy:  Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:2

Which, yours truly, thought was quite odd. The fellow has dismissed the human mind in the first paragraph and then asks me to take as authority systems designed by other minds in their attempt to interpret the historical fiction that has come down to us as the Bible.

What is makes it relevant to SB’s post above is it appeared in this post where the author argues for tolerance and freedom of thought in treating of religious texts.

Now, that I think of it, what deity would communicate in a manner requiring so many interpretations to understand? If, for example, one day is like 1000 god years, are we allowed to interpret this to mean we haven’t reached the day of the Sabbath, that is, day of rest? Could this explain why our lives is mostly toil?

It seems we are required to forgo our reason and listen to the divine interpreter to tell us what god says and in turn we tell them what we want god to know. This way, their power is maintained for all time. Not luck with me!

 

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

214 thoughts on “Authority to interpret religious texts

  1. This is an awesome example. I wish I hadn’t missed that post and the comment; I would have linked to it.

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    • makagutu says:

      It tells you loud and clear; you can’t interpret the bible on your own. We must do it for you

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      • cordusdeo says:

        MAKAGUTO WROTE in a reply: “… asks me to take as authority systems [Biblical authority] designed by “other minds”…. [sic]

        ~~~~~~ Scripture was NOT designed by “other minds” as you believe.

        *2 PETER 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

        1 CORINTHIANS 2:13 “When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of G od but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”

        Charles Wesley summarizes the high view of inspiration brilliantly when he says, “The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin, and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

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        • makagutu says:

          You are doing well mate. To claim the same scripture as evidence, when it is what is in question.
          Well, Wesley is wrong.

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          • cordusdeo says:

            TO: makagutu ————-

            YOU WROTE: “To claim the same scripture as evidence, when it is what is in question.”

            ~~~~~ Then what do YOU claim as evidence for why it should be in question?

            Remember, there are two concepts going on here….. God the Holy Spirit re. spiritual matters and human logic….. the Christian and the Humanist.

            Please allow me to be a bit more comprehensive concerning our differences to aid a mutual understanding.

            Is logic a common ground between the believer and the unbeliever?

            Some state that there is no common ground between the believer and the unbeliever, and that the unbeliever’s initial presuppositions against the Christian God do not allow him to accurately reason concerning God, the world, truth, or himself. Therefore, some Christian theologians conclude there can be no ultimate common ground because the unsaved do not, as yet, have the Holy Spirit, are unregenerate, and have a presuppositional bias against the supernatural which is opposed to true rationality.

            “Logic is true–not because it is logical but because it is a reflection of God’s nature, which is order and truth.”
            I believe that logic is indeed a type of common ground. But I do not believe that it possesses some innate quality that renders it above human capacity or limitations, nor does it possess any ethereal, mystic qualities that somehow transcends the blinding influence of sin. I think that logic, used properly, always vindicates the truths found in the Bible and points to God–whether or not an unbeliever acknowledges it.

            Logic belongs to God. This is so because God has invented the universe, the physical laws, mathematics, and all other natural and true phenomenon in it. Existence has an order because God gave it order. Logic is true–not because it is logical but because it is a reflection of God’s nature, which is order and truth that can be seen in everything around us. Therefore, logic ultimately belongs only to God and can only properly be used by Him and in matters pertaining to God by the Christian.

            This is not to say that an unbeliever cannot master the logic, say of mathematics, better than a believer. There are areas of knowledge common to both, and God has given some people abilities not possessed by others. However, this not an assertion that all Christians, when speaking of God, do so flawlessly.
            The fact is that no one can claim to have ultimately mastered logic. In a perfect world with unfallen people, reasoning would be a marvelous adventure that would lead us to more of God’s revelation and truth. But we don’t live in a perfect world. We live in a fallen world where sin has influenced not only our bodies, emotions, and wills but also our minds.

            Is logic enough for the Christian? No, it isn’t. Logic has two major flaws: First, it is only as good as the one who is using it (though that really isn’t a flaw in logic). Second, logic doesn’t save. Jesus does. We cannot reason someone into the kingdom of God. It is the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin and righteousness and who opens the heart to understand the truth (John 16:8).

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          • makagutu says:

            Are you a comedian?
            Do you want me to believe that a donkey can talk because it is written in the bible? Asking me to believe the bible is inspired because it is in the bible falls in the same class.
            I don’t know what your understanding of logic is. But to think that when logic is used properly it vindicates the bible indicates either of two things. You have no understanding of logic, have not read the bible or both.
            If I was to allow for the sake of argument that a god exist, it could not make a square rectangle. This implies any god attempting to create had to work within logic, not out of it. There is no evidence for a god, nor that the universe was invented.
            There is no evidence for Jesus nor is there any need for salvation. That is a creation of degenerate minds and believed by ignoramuses, babies, and the confused.

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          • Nan says:

            Cordusdeo wrote regarding logic … nor does it possess any ethereal, mystic qualities

            Nor does your quoting of scripture possess any ethereal, mystic qualities. You are simply expressing words upon which you have chosen to place value. Others have not. Thus, providing “hundereds (sic) more” will just be taking up space on Mak’s blog. Give it a rest.

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          • makagutu says:

            I think he must be brother to Bruce. Hopes by filling up blog space with enough bible verses, he will have made a point

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          • He needs to fill up blog spaces with Koran quotes. Those are real, the bible ones aren’t.

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          • makagutu says:

            We should get him a blog to do that. We moved from wasting broadband with bible verses except if it is from Ecclesiastes or Songs of Solomon 🙂

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          • These guys are truly amazing. They seem to think the more gibberish-filled bible quotes they toss at you, the more likely it is you’ll accept this tripe as “real”. It’s utterly annoying and ludicrous. Quoting Harry Potter does not make it real. Same is true of religious books. Gibberish.

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          • makagutu says:

            I think every time they quote Harry Potter, I will quote the Gita, or Brothers Karamazov. And it will be any line I think of.

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          • cordusdeo says:

            TO: makagutu 9-6-2016

            Since this site has dysfunction problems, there was no provision for me to make a reply to your posting of: September 5, 2016 at 11:34

            REPLY:
            You still are dodging my question of:
            YOU WROTE: “To claim the same scripture as evidence, when it is what is in question.”

            ~~~~~ Then what do YOU claim as evidence for why it should be in question?

            It appears you have no intention of discussing the differences between us concerning what guides our lives and actions in this world.
            I have tried to explain my side of it but you do not respond with similar explanations of what guides YOUR life and actions in this world. I can find no distinctive evidence of how you SPIRITUALLY perceive: what is life all about, where you came from, what you are doing here, and where you will be for eternity.

            What is the point of continuing a discussion if one member sees it as an opportunity to be vitriolic, insulting, and disregard any questions or concepts that make them feel uncomfortable answering?

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          • makagutu says:

            Don’t blame your deficiencies on this site.
            I did not dodge your question.
            You must have got a memo I didn’t send. I am not interested in discussing what interpretation of the myth is the correct one. What business of yours is it of what guides my life and actions? This thread was simply about whether one should have freedom of conscience and by extension to believe as they so wish. I said yes. You said no.
            I am yet to insult you. You have not asked a question worth answering

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  2. john zande says:

    Exegesis drives me crazy. The texts of the bible are not the works of Camus or Conrad. Not even close. The writing is simplistic, childiesh, linear. There is no layered meaning, and anyone who tries to find such is merely exposing themselves as imbeciles. Indeed, there is more depth in Through the Looking Glass than in any books of the bible, excluding Job, which is really 7th Century BCE Jewish comedy that some idiot sitting in Babylon in the 5th Century BCE misinterpreted.

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    • makagutu says:

      One is tempted to ask how many layers are there to ‘do not suffer a witch to live’ or ‘kill women, children and livestock’?
      Exegesis is the last refuge of the charlatan so intent to sell snake oil.
      The book of Job is good. I like it, well, not as much as Ecclesiastes. I wish they would at the end tell us who won the bet between god and Satan

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    • Swarn Gill says:

      I read that there is a vast difference in just the amount of vocabulary that was present when the first texts of the Bible were written…something like only 40,000 words in the entire language and so in some ways in makes some sense that much of the Bible today is filler from an original that had not choice but to be completely simplistic. It’s likely part of the reason why also scholars added to the bible throughout its history to try and add some additional meaning and inspiration. Perhaps early on the text seemed exciting but by today’s standards it is highly ambiguous and full of contradictions. The original authors, whoever they were, may have thought what they were writing was an advanced piece of literature for their time, but such a thing simply can’t carry much weight as a piece of literature into the future when language had evolved to be more complex. If there was a God trying to speak through people, he should at least have the thinking capability to recognize that he is going to have to have bible updates over the years!

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      • makagutu says:

        I think the mistake our generation and those before us have done, is to take these people seriously. Just like Homer, these people wrote for their time. There are definitely stories that we would find relevant today. Human nature hasn’t changed from what it was 2000 years ago.
        It would be strange if 2000 years from now, if humanity survives that long that readers of the Animal Farm see it as a prophetic book.

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        • Swarn Gill says:

          Agreed…human behavior changes more slowly. The thing is, somewhere in the world in 2000 years maybe Animal Farm is prophetic to a situation going on in a particular country. We also shouldn’t be surprised by this either. The fact that there was oppression 2000 years ago, and now and that people wrote about it then, and now…doesn’t mean that 2000 years ago was anymore special.

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    • cordusdeo says:

      This tells us that your assessment concerning spiritual matters is by YOUR authority or other fallible humans.

      Karen Armstrong, or anyone else who claims they are representing God by what they say, will either stand or fall based on the doctrines of the Scriptures, which is why Christians are instructed to “search the Scriptures”. ◄ Acts 17:11 ► “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

      “One thing common to all of those humanistic “philosophies” is that they are based on the fallible human mind of another person or one’s own.”

      Those who follow the philosophies that are contrary to the authority of the Scriptures have their so-called “faith” based upon the minds of mere, fallible, and finite human minds, with evolving standards of humanity and their miscarried supporting solutions.

      I think we have all seen the futility of what total reliance on the “wisdom” of human philosophies has brought us. They have failed to contribute to any workable solutions concerning the morality and peace in the world concerning “ workable solutions to the real-world problems that exist” They have contributed NOTHING !

      Sinning against God and our fellow man will never go away but God’s mercy in Christ gives us forgiveness and prevents the destruction of sinners and, instead, promises the “crown of life” with God in perfection for an eternity.

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      • makagutu says:

        I think we have all seen the futility of what total reliance on the “wisdom” of human philosophies has brought us.

        Tell us what they have brought us?
        Hasn’t the statement in the bible to suffer no witch to live led to the burning to death of many a woman?
        Didn’t the inquisition lead to the burning on the stake of many a man and woman for believing wrongly?
        You must be very blind to history to continue blathering here about the gospel

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        • Ron says:

          All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

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        • cordusdeo says:

          TO: makaguttu ——————

          You have failed to see WHAT it is that has brought about the evil things, that you mentioned, which have taken place down through history!

          It is the sin that is still a part of the nature of man and the falseness of the “wisdom” of human philosophies that tells us we can eliminate sin and evil if we can only create the right “environment”. It will never happen.

          The “wisdom” of human philosophies can never change the hearts of mankind but the Gospel of Jesus Christ can.
          Sin and evil will always be with us and so will the forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ. Those who are redeemed don’t go about looking for ways to bring evil upon their fellow man.
          “Faith alone justifies but justified faith is never alone.”

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          • makagutu says:

            No, it is not sin. The bible explicitly commands that you shall not suffer a witch to live. The same bible commands to kill your children, I think even your neighbour if they believe differently[Ex 22:20].
            You must be really naive to think that belief in the bible and its mythical characters is all the world needs.

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  3. shelldigger says:

    Only those properly trained in the spinning of bullshit into sugar cubes are qualified to interpret then?

    Haven’t they been playing that card for 2000 years?

    Taking away a persons natural born curiosity, inhibiting the desire to ask questions, has been on the top 5 list for religiot priests since day one. It’s the Jedi trick. “These (our interpretations) are the answers you are looking for.”

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  4. tildeb says:

    Ah yes, your fallible human mind cannot be trusted to assess scripture one to one, but mine can… and should! My mind has been shaped by studies into scripture that go by impenetrable names like hurmeneutics, exegesis, and so on. Your fallible mind that uses reading alone is not nearly so highly educated in such matters and so if you want to use scripture as an authority, then you must admit you need me – a subject matter expert let’s be clear – to lead and give my stamp of expert approval to understanding scripture properly.

    This is the sophisticated theology model that is used to away any and all problems of questionable claims… the Karen Armstrong kind that offers profound leadership to say God is really the god behind the god you worship.

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    • makagutu says:

      Karen Armstrong is an expert, if we can call her that, at making excuses for religion.
      You get the gist. I have a special infallible mind. It is backed by tradition. You must trust what I tell you or be damned

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      • tildeb says:

        Oh, I almost never encounter the “I have a special infallible mind” reasoning; no, no, no. Humbleness, meekness, humility are the standing orders. My ego has nothing whatsoever to do with being the ear god whispers into (and what a burden I must bear!). It’s not my mind that is infallible, you see, it’s just a proper disciplined reading (knowing as we do as members of a faith community that scripture contains infallible divine messages, let us remember) that follows certain educated methods… methods like proper exegesis, proper hermeneutics, and so on. It’s not MY message that matters here: it’s Gods’s!

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        • makagutu says:

          God speaks always through me. What I say is not my message but god’s. Don’t worry if it sounds much like what I want to say!

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        • cordusdeo says:

          TO: tildeb ————–

          I do not believe your claim of: “… My mind has been shaped by studies into scripture that go by impenetrable names like hurmeneutics, exegesis, and so on…” [sic]

          Whether you are being facetious or not, it still marks you as someone who blathers about something they have never read. If your claim is not fraudulent, you would have read the following in the Scriptures ……

          2 PETER 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

          1 CORINTHIANS 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

          MATTHEW 12: 31 [Jesus] “And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. ”

          ◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ► The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

          ROMANS 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

          ROMANS 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

          1 Corinthians 12:3 No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

          JOHN 3:6 [Jesus] “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at My saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

          LUKE 24:45 “Then He [Jesus] opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

          ROMANS 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

          JOHN 12:47-49 [JESUS] “If anyone hears My words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. For I did not speak on My own, but the Father who sent Me commanded Me to say all that I have spoken.”

          MATTHEW 25:31 He (Jesus) will judge all men in the last day, as Messiah and King, on the basis of His infallible Word committed to writing by fallible men, guided by the infallible Holy Spirit.

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    • john zande says:

      “The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.” (Thomas Paine, 1794)

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      • makagutu says:

        Thomas Paine wrote about the Age of Reason. Maybe we are still in the age of unreason

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        • The first dentist I went to as a kid was named, and I’m serious, Dr. Thomas Payne. And, true to his name, he almost always refused to use Novocaine. I hated that guy.

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          • makagutu says:

            ..when you said “I am serious”, you lost me there.
            I don’t like doctors generally but dentists especially

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          • Masochists, the whole lot of ’em.

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          • Ron says:

            Patient: How much will it cost to have this tooth pulled?

            Dentist: With pain it’s $200, but pain-free it’s $100.

            Patient: Well, pain-free is cheaper; so pull it WITHOUT pain.

            So the dentist starts extracting the tooth without anesthesia or anything.

            Patient [screams]: AAAHHHHH!!!

            Dentist: Remember, with pain it’ll cost you $200.

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        • cordusdeo says:

          ​TO: makagutu ————-

          Human finite reason is laughable in comparison with Almighty God’s omniscience and omnipotence.

          There is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes. One could not be right and God wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source.

          When one argues against what God has said you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all. This is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on.

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      • Terrific quote. I likes it!

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      • cordusdeo says:

        Anyone can be an atheist…. there are no qualifications.

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        • makagutu says:

          Why should there be qualifications?

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        • john zande says:

          Exactly. It’s the default position of a human being.

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          • makagutu says:

            One has to be indoctrinated into a religion

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          • john zande says:

            No one has ever arrived independently at Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, or Janism without it first being taught to them… And no religion has ever appeared independently in two cloistered populations separarted by time and/or geography. These facts alone demonstrate that all religions are false.

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          • makagutu says:

            And man-made. Mostly men. I have not met a Christian Scientist who wasn’t indoctrinated to believe pain is in the mind.

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          • What is sad is that the Christian and the atheist BOTH fail to see the reality of the One, True God: Allah. There is only ONE Holy Book, and it is the Koran. From The Koran: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”
            The blindness of the lying Christian shall be cured when he enters the pits of Hell for spreading his blasphemous lies about his false god.
            From the Koran: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
            Read, oh ye sinners, and learn the way of God, or suffer eternal damnation for your evil ways. Cast Satan from your atheist and Christian hearts and embrace Allah! Follow The One, True God, before your atheist and Christian eyes are burned forever from your evil skulls! The Christian is worse than the atheist for he not only denies The, One True God, Allah, he also he blasphemes and preaches the lie that his god is real when, as any reasonable person knows this is an act of pure evil. From the Koran: 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.” The evil of this post sickens me as it is filled with atheist and Christian propaganda. Be prepared for your torment in Hell, you blasphemous, lying fools! From the Koran:
            9:34: “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the Jewish rabbis and the Christian monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder men from the Way of Allâh. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allâh — announce unto them a painful torment.”

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          • makagutu says:

            Where do I sign? I don’t want to continue being wrong

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          • I’ll send you a form via raven express. Once signed, your soul will belong to Allah. Thanks, and have a great day. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            Thanks a lot. I will wait for this faithfully

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          • Ron says:

            Beware! Those cute smiles cloak wicked imaginations.

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          • john zande says:

            They’re cannibals

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          • cordusdeo says:

            You are correct in using the word “default”. Everyone was born in the “default” of being an enemy of God as sinners. Denying God’s existence falls into the same category.

            The “default” of being dead in trespasses and sins is automatically everyone’s lot at birth…. unless an alternative is specified,i.e.; baptised into Christ through the Holy Spirit. This is the work of God the Holy spirit who works through the power of God’s Word changing hearts and providing the forgiveness of sins and salvation.

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          • john zande says:

            OK, I’m calling Poe’s Law on you.

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Call Pope’s Law all you want…. it does not even come close to identifying what I wrote seeing that it did not find it’s origin in me ….. the doctrine is from the Holy Scriptures which you choose to ignore,

            I understand your beliefs and, rest assured, I am not trying to change them as that would be impossible. All I can do is present what God has to say and let HIm do what He will with it.

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          • tildeb says:

            Poe’s Law. God forbid you learn anything here in the land of the rational.

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          • makagutu says:

            There is no god. There are no holy scriptures. They are all the works of men, mostly men anyway

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          • cordusdeo says:

            YOU WROTE: “There are no holy scriptures. They are all the works of men, mostly men anyway”.

            ~~~~~~ If what you say is true, then you also must say that there are no history books. They are all the works of men, mostly men anyway”.

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          • makagutu says:

            How do you come to that conclusion?

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          • cordusdeo says:

            How do I remove “*makagutu” comments and the replies from his page from being sent to me and follow another commentor?*

            On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Random thoughts wrote:

            > makagutu commented: “How do you come to that conclusion? ” >

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          • makagutu says:

            How should that be my problem, really?

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Thanks for your help.

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          • makagutu says:

            You are most welcome. Glad I could help

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          • cordusdeo says:

            The Scriptures have gathered more credibility than other documents that go back that far. Archeologists and ancient historians have laid the foundation for that a long time ago.

            In his An Introduction to Research in English Literary History, Professor Chauncey Sanders warns:

            “He must be as careful to collect evidence against his theory as for it. It may go against the grain to be very assiduous in searching for ammunition to destroy one’s own case; but it must be remembered that the overlooking of a single detail may be fatal to one’s whole argument. Moreover, it is the business of the scholar to seek the truth, and the satisfaction of having found it should be ample recompense for having to give up a cherished but untenable theory.”

            Here is where we separate the unbiased and ethical from those whose goal is simply to make war on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Incidentally, Christ sanctioned ALL of the Scriptures. It is ludicrous to refute the One who conquered death and proved to the world who He is. That also is a fact of history.

            Personally, I look at it this way: Jesus claimed and proved that He was God incarnate. He died and came back to life….a fact of history as valid as any other. Jesus confirmed in His own words that ALL of Scripture is the inerrant word of God. Who else can claim such authority?

            JESUS: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.” ~ Matthew 24:35

            There is no question about the authenticity or the legitimacy of the Scriptures when we compare it with historical writings that go back that far.
            While most people will accept the history books, many will not accept the Bible. This has nothing to do with authenticity or legitimacy ….. it has everything to do with believing and TRUSTING in God’s word that tells us: PHILLIPIANS 2: 9 “Therefore God exalted Him [Jesus] to the highest place and gave Him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

            Therefore, we can see that the authenticity or legitimacy of the Scriptures is a world apart from being convinced/ appreciating/ trusting/ relying upon it’s teachings and the Gospel of Jesus Christ for one’s salvation.

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          • tildeb says:

            The irony is strong in this one.

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          • makagutu says:

            No archaeological study has come a nanometer close to telling us what god is or if any exist. To the extent that hasn’t happened, your comment here is garbage.
            If there were no question about authenticity, why are apologists like yourself in business?
            You ask why people accept history books? Are you so naive not to know why?

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          • john zande says:

            Pope’s Law 🙂

            Well played, sir, well played indeed.

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          • makagutu says:

            You are being charitable. I think he believes the nonsense he is writing

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          • john zande says:

            Nah. He’s another SOM. A bored genius, probably sitting in a low security jail somewhere looking for shits and giggles.

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          • makagutu says:

            bored genius! You are misapplying words here mate

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      • cordusdeo says:

        TO: john zande ———–

        Which goes to show us that anyone can be an atheist…. there are no qualifications. So what was your point ?

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    • basenjibrian says:

      Nah. I have been touched by the HOLY SPIRIT. YOU have not been so touched. GNOSIS and all that. Believe me and OBEY, slaves!

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    • Ron says:

      “When I interpret a passage,” the apologist said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

      “The question is,” said the atheist, “whether you can make passages mean so many different things.”

      “The question is,” said the apologist, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

      ~Lewis Carroll (requoted)

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    • cordusdeo says:

      This tells us that your assessment concerning spiritual matters is by YOUR authority or other fallible humans.

      “One thing common to all of those humanistic “philosophies” is that they are based on the fallible human mind of another person or one’s own.”

      Those who follow the philosophies that are contrary to the authority of the Scriptures have their so-called “faith” based upon the minds of mere, fallible, and finite human minds, with evolving standards of humanity and their miscarried supporting solutions.

      I think we have all seen the futility of what total reliance on the “wisdom” of human philosophies has brought us. They have failed to contribute to any workable solutions concerning the morality and peace in the world concerning “ workable solutions to the real-world problems that exist” They have contributed NOTHING !

      Sinning against God and our fellow man will never go away but God’s mercy in Christ gives us forgiveness and prevents the destruction of sinners and, instead, promises the “crown of life” with God in perfection for an eternity.

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    • cordusdeo says:

      TO: tildeb —————————-

      This tells us that your assessment concerning spiritual matters is by YOUR authority or other fallible humans.

      Karen Armstrong, or anyone else who claims they are representing God by what they say, will either stand or fall based on the doctrines of the Scriptures, which is why Christians are instructed to “search the Scriptures”. ◄ Acts 17:11 ► “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

      “One thing common to all of those humanistic “philosophies” is that they are based on the fallible human mind of another person or one’s own.”

      Those who follow the philosophies that are contrary to the authority of the Scriptures have their so-called “faith” based upon the minds of mere, fallible, and finite human minds, with evolving standards of humanity and their miscarried supporting solutions.

      I think we have all seen the futility of what total reliance on the “wisdom” of human philosophies has brought us. They have failed to contribute to any workable solutions concerning the morality and peace in the world concerning “ workable solutions to the real-world problems that exist” They have contributed NOTHING !

      Sinning against God and our fellow man will never go away but God’s mercy in Christ gives us forgiveness and prevents the destruction of sinners and, instead, promises the “crown of life” with God in perfection for an eternity.

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      • basenjibrian says:

        Nope. Your wondrous “God” created sentient beings who He KNEW (being omniscient) at the beginning of time would fall short of his supposed “glory”. He knew said sentient beings would be tortured for eternity when they (as he knew would happen) did not repent correctly or properly or in time. He set up a special place of eternal torture for us.

        This is vile. This is evil. Even if such a God existed, the only moral response is rebellion. Your God is The Owner of All Infernal Names because He knew what would happen from the beginning of time yet chose to create toys with which to play. He created the vast majority of humanity in order to inflict suffering.

        Your God is the future mass murderer roasting kittens on the backyard grill.

        A pox on your vile religion.

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        • cordusdeo says:

          TO: BASENJIBRIAN ————————-

          Your thoughts about God’s omniscience and mankind’s free will are very common and illustrates the challenge we humans have in understanding our immense God. We are very grateful that, beyond revealing himself through creation and our conscience, God has made himself known in his holy word. And yet that fuller revelation of himself in the Bible still leaves us with questions.

          Is God all-powerful? Yes. Is God all-knowing? Yes. Did God know that Satan and other angels would rebel against him, and that Adam and Eve would disobey his command? Yes. Could God have prevented both those “falls”? Yes. Why did God allow sin and evil to enter his perfect creation? That last question leads me to turn to Romans 11:33-36: “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! ‘Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?’ ‘Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?’ For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.” You and I do not know what is in God’s mind unless he tells us. What he does tell us is that, “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). We really aren’t to be surprised if we can’t understand God completely.

          What we do know with certainty is that God met evil head-on at Calvary. The cross of Christ shows us God’s power over sin and his compassionate love for a world lost in sin. At the cross of Christ God’s justice and love intersect.

          You ask if God desires good for every person. Most certainly. God does not want “anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). God “wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:4).

          God can take evil and turn it into good. Christians can say with the apostle Paul: “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).

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        • makagutu says:

          His god finds the greatest pleasure in seeing suffering sentient animals

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  5. >>> “… forgo our reason and listen to the divine interpreter to tell us what god says…”

    a.k.a. Orwell’s THOUGHT POLICE. Except in this case, it’s the institutions of religion instead of the institutions of government.

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    • makagutu says:

      They want to control information. I think it is Orwell who wrote in 1984 that whoever controls information has power. He/ she decides what you should and can know. They can even erase history. It is for this simple reason the citizens don’t know why they are going to war with Oceania(?)

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    • cordusdeo says:

      TO: Robert A. Vella ——————

      YOU WROTE: “… listen to the divine interpreter to tell us what god says…” [sic]

      ~~~~~ You have used “interpret” as a subterfuge to misrepresent the Bible as very difficult to understand.
      If you actually read the New Testament, you would not have made that statement since it is far from the truth.

      Please read the passages below and then tell us which ones were so difficult to understand that you would require someone to interpret them for you ………….

      Romans 3:23 …for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of
      God

      ECCLESIASTES 7:20 There is certainly no righteous man on the earth who does good and never sins.

      PSALM 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
      sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

      Ephesians 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins.

      ROMANS 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God..

      MATTHEW 5 : 48 [JESUS] “So be PERFECT, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.”
      ——————————————————————–

      Matthew 1:21
      “She [Mary] will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

      ◄ John 3:16 ►
      For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

      2 CORINTHIANS 5: 21
      Christ didn’t have any sin. But God made Him become sin for us. So we can be made right with God because of what Christ has done for us.

      JOHN 3 : 17
      “God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world. He sent His Son to save the world through Him. 18 Anyone who believes in Him is not judged. But anyone who does not believe is judged already. He has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

      1 Timothy 2:5
      For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

      Acts 4:12
      “And there is salvation in no one else ; for there is no other name [Jesus] under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

      TITUS 3
      : 4 But the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared. 5 He saved us. It wasn’t because of the good things we had done. It was because of His mercy. He saved us by washing away our sins. We were born again. The Holy Spirit gave us new life

      *ROMANS 10: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

      ROMANS 10: 12 There is no difference between those who are Jews and those who are not. The same Lord is Lord of all. He richly blesses everyone who calls on Him. 13 Scripture says, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”—(Joel 2:32)

      * EPHESIANS 2: 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

      ROMANS 3:21 But now God has shown us how to become right with Him.. The Law and the Prophets give witness to this. It has nothing to do with obeying the law. 22 We are made right with God by putting our faith in Jesus Christ. That happens to all who believe.

      ROMANS 4
      : 20 But he [Abraham] believed in God’s promise. He became strong in his faith. He gave glory to God. 21 He was absolutely sure that God had the power to do what He had promised. 22 That’s why “God accepted Abraham because he believed. So his faith made him right with God.”

      John 8:24
      “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

      2 Timothy 1:10
      … but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

      1 John 4:14
      We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

      I can send hundereds more.

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      • To: cordusdeo

        You are one seriously confused individual. I was quoting someone else. Do you understand the grammatical use of quotes (“…”)?

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      • Ron says:

        Job 1:1 (NLT)
        “There once was a man named Job who lived in the land of Uz. He was blameless—a man of complete integrity. He feared God and stayed away from evil.”

        Reconcile that with your first three passages.

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        • cordusdeo says:

          TO: Ron ————–

          RE. JOB 1:1
          I am sure your question is: “IF ALL ARE SINNERS, THEN HOW CAN JOB BE PERFECT?”

          APPARENT PROBLEM: God declared that Job was “blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil” (1:1). Yet the Bible insists that “there is none righteous, no, not one,” for “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:10, 23).

          SOLUTION: God’s praise of Job was not absolute, as is clear from His later condemnation of him (in chap. 38) and from Job’s own confession, “I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes” (Job 42:6).

          Further, God only pronounced Job “blameless” before man, whereas Romans 3/19 is speaking about no one, apart from Christ’s work, being blameless before God (cf. Rom. 3:19).
          Romans 3:19
          Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

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          • Ron says:

            The Hebrew text literally states that Job was a perfect and upright man.

            Perfect means complete (i.e. having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be; free from flaws or defects).

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Job 1:1 includes the statement that Job was “blameless and upright.” This cannot mean that Job was sinless (Romans 3:23), so what does it mean?

            The Hebrew word translated “blameless” is tam and can be translated as “blameless,” “perfect,” or “upright.” The same word is used in Proverbs 29:10, which states, “The bloodthirsty hate a person of integrity / and seek to kill the upright.” A blameless person is someone whose life exhibits integrity.

            “Upright” in Job 1:1 is a translation of the Hebrew “yashar”, meaning “upright” or “just.”
            This word is used in parallel in this verse with blameless. In Psalm 37:37 the same word is used in parallel with “those who seek peace”: “Consider the blameless, observe the upright; / a future awaits those who seek peace.”

            The fuller context in Job 1:1 is “This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.” So, the description of Job being “blameless and upright” is linked to the serious respect of God and the avoidance of evil. The parallelism can be seen like this:

            Blameless/upright
            God-fearer/one who turns from evil

            In short, Job was “blameless and upright” in that he was a man of integrity who trusted in God as his redeemer (see Job 19:25), sincerely worshiped the Lord, loved his family, and was consistent in his walk with God.

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          • makagutu says:

            The author of Job had no idea that some bugger would write Romans.

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Stop and think before you spew out!

            I hope you realize that the referent word “upright” in Job 1:1 is a translation of the Hebrew “yashar”, meaning “upright” or “just” which is used in Psalms. Romans uses the same word-meaning to describe a parallel concept. Scripture interprets itself. Antagonists fail to realize that.

            This posting was written by someone who was trying to bash Scripture and got caught in their ignorance of word meanings in another language.

            Quit making a fool of yourself.

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          • Ron says:

            Unfortunately, the website from which you copy-pasted that from (without proper attribution) is wrong.

            Strong’s H8535

            Outline of Biblical Usage

            I. perfect, complete

            C. complete, morally innocent, having integrity
            – one who is morally and ethically pure

            Strong’s Definitions

            tâm, tawm; from H8552; complete; usually (morally) pious; specifically, gentle, dear:—coupled together, perfect, plain, undefiled, upright.

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          • makagutu says:

            Always happy to be on the same team with you!

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          • makagutu says:

            She didn’t say that

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          • No. No she didn’t.

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      • basenjibrian says:

        More ReScripturegurgating! Good! Good! Good!

        Two can do that, of course. The Muslim scriptures are even more bloodthirsty and adamant. If I were you, I would immediately convert to Islam. After all, he has BETTER quotes than you do! So he wins!

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        • john zande says:

          Also kicks off with a solid statement that it’s true… so it must be

          “This Book is not to be doubted (Qur’an 2:1)

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          • What further proof could possibly be needed to show the infallibility of the Koran?

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          • john zande says:

            The reasoning is so smooth, and round 🙂

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          • That’s what she said.

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          • makagutu says:

            None that I can think of

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          • makagutu says:

            What further proof does one need to be a Muslim?

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          • cordusdeo says:

            TO: makagutu ——————–

            By whose or by what authority can the quran claim that it has the words of God….the words of eternal life in the Gospel ?
            God Himself as the God-man, Jesus Christ, authorized all of Scripture and rose from death to prove who He is and that sins forgiven and salvation has been won for everyone who trusts in His work of atonement.
            THE TOMBS
            (Islam) Muhammad’s Tomb=Occupied
            (Bahá’í Faith) Bahá’u’lláh. His tomb = Occupied.
            (Buddest) Buddha’s Tomb=Occupied
            (Confucianism) Confucius Tomb=Occupied
            (Judaism) Abraham’s Tomb=Occupied.
            (Sikhism) Nanak Tomb=Occupied
            (Taoism) Lao-Tse Tomb=Occupied
            (Mormonism) Joseph Smith Tomb = Occupied
            (Christianity) Jesus Christ Tomb= EMPTY

            The Quran is not the word of God, in fact, it contradicts what Jesus taught.
            ISLAM is not a religion, it is a theocratic socio-political belief system that, through its religious text, the Qur’an, and proclamations by its leaders, Imams, advocates and sanctions physical aggression, deception, and subterfuge to achieve its stated goal of a worldwide Caliphate.

            Islam is not interested in peace. Islam is not interested in tolerance. Islam is not interested in coexistence. It wants only to subjugate or eliminate ALL competing belief systems.
            These are not my words. These are the stated goals of the Qur’an and its Imams.
            Read the Qur’an. Google the proclamations of its Imams.

            They seek to take advantage of the West’s religious tolerance.

            It is wise to isolate and restrict Islam. If its adherents won’t reform its radical aspects, then those it threatens must do it for them.

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          • makagutu says:

            I think you have got it all wrong.
            Jesus cannot occupy a tomb because he is a mythical character. Mythical characters occupy no graves. And further, an empty or occupied tomb is no evidence for the truth of a religion. Osiris is not in any grave. We can in this case argue and rightly so he is the true god.
            The bible is not the word of god. It contradicts the Koran. Islam is a religion just like Christianity. Maybe you seem not to know what a religion is.
            It is wise to isolate and restrict all religions, especially evangelical expressions of any such religions. And a person like you is a threat to peace. You think you have the right belief, everyone else is wrong and should be stopped. This idea was at the heart of the Inquisition. You may need to do a little self reflection.

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          • cordusdeo says:

            TO: Makagutu ————————

            It is you who has it wrong !

            There are no sane people who would say that Jesus Christ is a
            “mythical character”.

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          • makagutu says:

            Then your circle must only contain insane people

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          • cordusdeo says:

            TO: Makagutu —————–

            YOU WROTE: ” Islam is a religion just like Christianity.”

            ~~~~~~ The world majority would agree that there is NO plausible way to compare Christianity with Islam or even put it on equal grounds as a “religion” in connection with Christianity.

            ISLAM is not a religion, it is a theocratic socio-political belief system that, through its religious text, the Qur’an, and proclamations by its Imam leaders, advocate and sanction physical aggression, deception, and subterfuge to achieve its stated goal of a worldwide Caliphate.

            Islam is not interested in peace. Islam is not interested in tolerance. Islam is not interested in coexistence. It wants only to subjugate or eliminate ALL competing belief systems.
            These are not my words. These are the stated goals of the Qur’an and its Imams.
            Read the Qur’an. Google the proclamations of its Imams.

            They seek to take advantage of the West’s religious tolerance.
            It’s really incredible that they ignore what happened on 9-11. To them, it’s like it never happened!
            We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.

            History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made IRRELEVANT by their silence.

            Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up because they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them (if not already), and the end of their world will have begun.

            Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely IRRELEVANT. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

            It is wise to isolate and restrict Islam. If its adherents won’t reform its radical aspects, then those it threatens must do it for them.

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          • makagutu says:

            Nowhere have I written about whether a religion is of peace or not. That is yours. I don’t see where it fits in this discussion. Besides, there are Muslims who think those who are violent are misapplying the text. It all goes back to a question of interpretation and whether each person is justified to make their own.
            Islam is a religion. Now whether a majority of Christians agree they can’t be compared is the least of my concerns.
            What to do with Islam was not the subject of this post. You can argue that out with your fellow believers.
            If you don’t restrict your next comment to freedom of thought, I will delete it.

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          • Nan says:

            Oh my Thor, Cordusdeo! Give it a rest!

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          • Ron says:

            “(Christianity) Jesus Christ
            Tomb= EMPTY” ~cordusdeo

            Great. Where is this empty tomb located?

            And more importantly, where is your physically resurected Jesus hiding out? Can you show him to me?

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          • makagutu says:

            How has an empty tomb been evidence for someone’s life?

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          • Ron says:

            @makagtu

            It’s not. I’m merely pointing out that the “empty tomb” argument is meaningless if Christians can’t even identify its location.

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          • It’s in Gary, Indiana. I found it yesterday when I took a wrong turn off the highway.

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          • makagutu says:

            Is it a marked grave? Does it have a headstone? Something like; Jesus was here

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          • There’s a McDonald’s in front of it with a sign that reads, “Jesus ate here.”

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          • makagutu says:

            That’s the right grave. Do you think we could get the engraver

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          • tildeb says:

            And there’s even a song about that magical place!

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          • There is. It plays on a 24 hour continuous loop in Jesus’ empty tomb.

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          • Love that movie and the play.

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          • tildeb says:

            Who knew Gary Indiana had such a famous son as Jesus? Well… maybe the Mormons who might have confused New York with Indiana… maybe… mysterious ways and all that jazz….

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          • makagutu says:

            Things to do with Jesus are all mysterious; mysterious birth, death, life before 30, his mission duration and his final disappearance from radar

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          • Ron says:

            I thought I heard someone screaming “Jesus Christ, where are you? outside the travel plaza restroom.

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          • I heard Jesus yelled back, “Leave me be! I’m takin’ a f**ckin’ dump!”

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          • makagutu says:

            I agree with you totally.
            That was rhetoric in your case and a question for our mad friend

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          • makagutu says:

            I will be sending you documents as soon as they can arrive here. You sign above the dotted line.

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          • Ron says:

            Personally, I prefer the other book that has the words ‘DON’T PANIC’ in large, friendly letters on the cover.

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          • makagutu says:

            That’s a book I would like

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        • cordusdeo says:

          ?

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  6. You found a winner here, Mak. Another SOM.

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  7. Until the blasphemous, lying christian accepts the True Word of God, he is destined to burn forever in the fires of Hell as Satan’s prisoner. From the Koran, The ONLY Holy Book that is now, ever was, and ever will be, The True Word of God: 3:118: “O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the verses if you understand.”

    Read, oh, you lying devils of christianity and SEE the TRUTH: “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.” (Surah 3:19)
    Repent, oh, ye christian worshipers of Satan, and READ REALITY: “The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)

    Oh, how the fires of Hell will consume your flesh, ye evil christian, as you burn forever, over and over and over again for your lies; your blaspheme, your ignorance, your denial of God, and your inability to not see your own hideous, ugly, lying, deceitful nature: “The God will say: ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind ‘Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?’ ‘Glory to You, ‘he will answer, ‘how could I ever say that to which I have no right?” (Surah 5:114-)

    “Mr. Poe, you have a phone call in the main lobby.”
    “I gotta take this call. See ya’ later.”

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    • makagutu says:

      The Christian has said the Koran is not the word of god. Islam is not a religion. Maybe you need Jesus

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      • Ah, but as any reasonable person can tell you, the christian is a forked tongue liar and blasphemer. Of course the christian will deny the True Religion of Islam. The christain is a tool of Satan, a puppet used to deceive men and drag them into Hell to be mocked for eternity by the Devil. Read, oh ye doubter of Truth, and learn: “It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it.” (Surah 9:31-)

        Yes, reality hurts, and the christian’s corrupt lies and twisted ways do not make reality less real or the truth less true. There is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is His prophet.

        OK. gotta run. Time to pass out Korans to some children in the area to start indoctrinating them to reality. Allahu Akbar

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  8. Mak, are you moderating my comments? They’re not posting.

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  9. tildeb says:

    And it just happened again.

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  10. tildeb says:

    My comments in reply to other comments are disappearing, Mak. Spam?

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  11. cordusdeo says:

    MAKAGUTU WROTE to Cordusdeo: “makagutu says:
    September 9, 2016 at 09:25
    “The world has a problem with atheists? Can you name any one person who has slandered you?”

    ~~~~~~ When you and your atheist ilk repeatedly use words that refer to me as being “stupid”, etc., yes, that would certainly be slander. That is done for one reason…… because I disagree with their position. As a retalitory knee-jerk reaction, you and your cabal resort to the low-intellect method of name-calling and vitriolic insults.
    Anyone who would bother to research in these posts for the truth would understand what I just wrote.

    Simple, sophomoric people always raise flags all by themselves revealing what kind of a mind and disposition they possess the minute they open their mouths with aspersions.

    Civil discussions are one thing but name-calling and insulting abusiveness are the works of Satan.

    Proverbs 10:18
    Whoever conceals hatred with lying lips
    and spreads slander is a fool.

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    • makagutu says:

      How else who you want us to refer to you? You come out as stupid and insufferable.
      There is no truth you have written here.
      Besides, you have hardly shared your thoughts. Copy pasting without attribution and here you are saying you need to be treated with respect. You jest much.

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      • cordusdeo says:

        YOU WROTE AGAIN: “You come out as stupid and insufferable.”

        ~~~~~~ You are only showing your low character by name-calling.

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