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Because I am too lazy to think of a title for it.

KIA has this post on his blog. One of the comments on the post is going to be the subject of this blog. Hopefully it will not be a long post. The comments will be indented. The author is spaniardviii.

First I would like to say that Yahweh and Allah are not the same God.

Technically maybe. Yahweh is the Jewish name of their god. Allah the way Arabs call their god.

Allah in the Qur’an has titles that belong to Satan in the Bible.

That’s like comparing lemons and oranges. They are different books with different authors.

Its hard to understand the character of God when one doesn’t understand the consequences of sin or evil in the world.

I don’t see how the two should be related. I am yet to meet a believer who knows the character of god. I have however read in many places where apologists argue the nature of god cannot be known or is beyond human understanding. Sin being a religious invention as an offence against god is doomed the same way god is doomed. We have no knowledge of what god is, we can have no knowledge of how to offend it nor know its demands.

For starters, logically speaking, nothing can create something just put it to the test and you will get nothing regardless of time.

Makes no sense.

God is holy and righteous and we are under the creators rules.

Citation needed.

His rules are based on His character which is love

We have no way of knowing this. This claim is arbitrary and has no basis in fact on experience.

Nothing unclean meaning sin can be with Him and as a righteous God sin has to be punished

We ask the believer to tell us whence sin came from? Did god allow it to be in the world? Was it helpless to prevent it from gaining a foothold?

Why God sends people to Hades? God never made Hell for people it was created for Satan and his fallen angels because they chose to rebel against God and sinned.

Not too fast. It seems settled god made hell. It also seems settled god had no intention to reform Satan and it does seem also that Satan and the fallen angels saw something defective with god that led them to rebel. We must find out what it was. Templeton Foundation could fund this study: On the rebellion of Satan and the fallen angels.

Once Adam sinned men were now going there because punishment for sin is Hell.

Is this not absurd? Punishing your last born child for the infractions of the first born, where the last born has no idea what the first born did, why they did it.

Why Hell? The Bible doesn’t say why it has to be fire but I can give you my opinion according to reading and studying scripture closely. Men’s spirit came from within God and since God is eternal we are eternal. Sin has to be punished and in Hell sin is being punished and since will live eternally we get punished eternally.

Believers claim their god is all knowing. One would wonder why not just create people in hell? What difference would a few years on earth make if one will be in hell for eternity plus one year?

Now just because we don’t understand Hell as being the appropriate punishment doesn’t make it untrue. Hell is so serious and God loves us so much that He sent His Son to get the punishment we deserve upon Himself which is death so that grace could it offered.

I don’t know about you, but there is no way I am going to express my love by killing my innocent child for the transgressions of my neighbour. Maybe my understanding of love is deficient.

Jesus died in our place, was buried and on the third day rose from the grave in victory to show the human race of His love that He was willing and did give up His life for us.

I don’t like to be the party spoiler. We have no evidence for Jesus existing. Nor for his dying for anyone’s transgressions.

Imagine a father who sees his son in danger. A bear is charging the boy and the boy’s father grabs his son and tells him to run. The father confronts the bear so that his son as a chance to escape to safety. In the process the father dies but he dies knowing that his son will live, that is true love

That’s being a responsible father. He dies not because he wants to. His death is unfortunate. It’s accidental.

The atheist believe in survival of the fittest who excludes self sacrifice.

I am yet to meet anyone who does something without the opportunity of benefit. What the benefit is can be conferred post-mortem. To use a mythical example, Jesus agrees to die on the cross so he can back to be with the father. Without that, he wouldn’t do it. And I guess, at the point of his death, he realizes it was all a waste. He had lied to himself. That is, if he lived!

I have strong testimonies of what God did for me and I have actually seen demons walking in my house.

Which is all good. Next time take photos of the demons or record them. We might learn something from them. I guess you don’t expect me to believe based on your experience.

I have witness the spiritual realm with my own eyes which strengthens my faith even further not that I needed it to obtain faith because faith comes from Jesus but it shows me the reality of darkness working against God to blind the eyes of people so that they won’t believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Darkness must be doing a better job than your god. Don’t blame people. It is your make believe god that has failed.

 

 

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180 thoughts on “this post has no title

  1. loverhater99 says:

    An informative blog.. and very well said about Jewish God and Allah, Muslims God. 👍They are definitely not the same.

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  2. KIA says:

    Thx for the link. The Spaniard’s comment was definitely rambling and fairly incoherent. I was hoping he would be open to discussion and intelligent conversation, since on Wallys blog he did promise to be. But in the end, just another Batshit crazy, who thinks he knows what he cannot know. Another ‘Know it All’ needing Recovery. -kia

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  3. NeuroNotes says:

    Spaniardviii was raised by a severely mentally ill mother who tried to kill herself (in front of him) by setting herself on fire. At age 7 he witnessed his mother’s head on fire. I feel sorry for the guy. He was programmed to believe in this stuff from a very, very early age. His mother told him that Satan tried to kill him in his mother’s womb. Quote from his blog:

    Mother: “I had two dreams about the Lord. The 1st dream was a demon was coming to harm my baby (me) and an angel appeared and said we must get Jesus for help. The 2nd dream was that the Lord Himself came down and when the demon was going to harm me, Jesus rebuked the demon and said, “Get away from him for he is my chosen one.”

    He was pretty much raised in a constant state of fear, which no doubt impacted his brain. I agree Mak, darkness is doing a better job, which clearly shows how impotent his god is. The more “spiritual warfare” he thinks he’s experiencing, the more he believes he’s in right standing with his god. He believes he’s the chosen one.

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  4. Mystro says:

    “Makes no sense.”

    Succinct, eloquent, perfect response. I believe you could have just wrote ‘Makes no sense’ after each of those quotes you analysed and been done with it. Kudos for taking the time to show why they make no sense. Well done, as usual.

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  5. basenjibrian says:

    Created Sick…Commanded to be Well.

    I still think John Zande’s conception, The Owner of All Infernal Names, is the best answer to theodicy. Everything else is just hand waiving and Divine Command Theory.

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  6. shelldigger says:

    Holy crap! That is one fucked up puppy.

    I suppose we are all victims of our upbringing/experiences. But damn!

    Anyone who has seen demons in his house either needs psychiatric help, or needs to move. Either one right away.

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  7. Ron says:

    Halle-fuckin-lujah! God fixed my AC today and saved me 65 bucks!

    “Amen Mary, Sometimes it takes going through fiery trials to come to realize how much I need the Lord regardless if its a good season for me or a bad one. No matter what we need to be seeking God’s face.” ~Spaniardviii (last comment on his own blog post)

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  8. Yahweh and Allah are not the same god? Very, very true. Allah is real, and Yahweh is fictional. Nothing the same about that at all.

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  9. Amazing that religious babble witgout evidence like that have been able to go so long without questioning or criticism.

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  10. Spaniardviii says:

    All of you can curse me all you want and that’s fine. I’m not mad at any of you for what you have said about me but know that I love all of you and everything I said in my testimonies and about Jesus Christ in regards to KIA was true and from the heart. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ will not hold against you what you have said against Him which is all false. By all of you cursing me shows that your hearts is full of darkness, hatred and anger. I will pray for you guys. You all can throw stones at me sort of speak but I love.

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    • basenjibrian says:

      We are not cursing you. We feel sorry for you.

      The “God” you worship? Now that is a different story. he is, indeed, the Owner of All Infernal Names. As He himself admits in your Unholy Bible, Yahweh is the Source of All Evil.

      The only moral response to this deranged, blood obsessed, picayune tyrant was rebellion.

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      • Spaniardviii says:

        The word evil in the Hebrew which you are quoting the King James version, the way you are using it is not correct. The Hebrew word for evil is Rah which means “adversity” not sin like you are claiming. And yes I was cursed with words that I would not like to copy and paste. All of you need Jesus who alone cleans all of you of sin through faith in Him. Jesus loves you basenjibrian and He wants a relationship with you if you let Him.

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      • makagutu says:

        Last I checked, it is the god he worships that curses trees, the earth and whatever else can lay itself on. How can our expressing sympathy be read as a curse?

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    • makagutu says:

      No one cursed you. You must be imagining things. Why would you be mad at any of us? Having gone through the comments again, it seems all those who commented expressed concern or sympathy for you.

      No one has cursed you. You seem absorbed in your delusions you think everywhere someone is after you. You got it wrong.

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      • Spaniardviii says:

        The comments speak for themselves…have a good

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        • makagutu says:

          Is that to say you can’t or you will not?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I feel sorry for you and your friends because to enter into eternity without Jesus will be horrific.

            Matthew 25:41
            Then He will also say to those on the left, Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!

            All of your hearts are dark and full of curse words, hatred and all types of lusts that accompanies the flesh without restraint. Jesus loves you and wants for you and your friends to have eternal life. Its a free gift, the gift is given through putting your faith in Jesus death, burial and resurrection. You know I ask the Lord one time in my prayer why people reject eternal life and His response was quickly. He said, because they don’t know the danger their are in. If you knew you were sick you would go see a doctor but since you think that nothing will happen at your death you don’t seek salvation. I feel so sorry for you and your friends but I have been prayer for you KIA and friends. I will continue to do so. Anyways this will be my last reply. Farewell and may God have mercy on your souls.

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          • Nan says:

            Blah, blah, blah. Anyways this will be my last reply. YAY!!!

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          • makagutu says:

            Haha Nan. That should be the comment of the week

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Jesus’ loves you. I know I said I wasn’t going to reply but it would be rude of me if I wouldn’t reply to your loving comments.

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          • Nan says:

            Hey … be rude! It won’t bother me in the slightest.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I can’t do that, that’s not who I am. You can call me your enemy but I will call you my friend. I know you don’t want to talk about God but I’m just saying but. If in the future you would like to know about Jesus or the Bible I would be very happy to help you. You know my Blog you are welcome anytime.

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          • Nan says:

            Thanks for the invite, but I’m already quite familiar with Jesus and the Bible … which is why I’m no longer a Christian. BTW, you’re not an enemy. Just misguided by old superstitions.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I’m sorry but I whole heartily disagree with your conclusion. I have personal relationship with Jesus who has answered my prayers. I know whatever I say will never changed your mind only the Holy Spirit can do that. I don’t know what happened to you in the past that made you leave God but I would like to read it if you have it posted.

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          • Nan says:

            Visit my blog (click on my name) to learn more. You may also want to check out my book, “Things I Never Learned in Sunday School” — more info at Amazon and also at http://escapefromreligion.wordpress.com.

            (Forgive me Mak for “advertising” on your blog.)

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Alright, I will check it out.

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          • makagutu says:

            Nan you are a good friend of this blog, no need to apologize

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          • makagutu says:

            If you knew you were stupid you would stop yapping here and bothering us with blather

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You can curse me again, but that’s fine I will in turn pray for your blessings. I will pray that God will bless you and your family that He may keep you safe and that you may come to the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation.

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          • makagutu says:

            Maybe I don’t know what you mean when you talk about a curse, please enlighten me

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            A curse would be when you uses a word towards a person in a negative way.

            1. Wishing harm towards an individual
            2. Trying to make a person feel insignificant.
            3. Trying to destroy ones character in a malicious way.
            4. A curse word is to say or wish the person to be in a bad state of: physically, mentally and financially. To wish the worse in a person.

            That type of action in a persons life shows how far into sin one has become. Look at me for an example: How is it that you can talk to me in a very bad manner but in return I respond with love. To be honest that’s impossible unless something has changed within me in a traumatic way. Only God can do such a wonderful thing. I grow up with friends that were in gangs, drugs who had gold teeth with guns on them all the time and to be honest if you would speak to them the way you are talking to me, it would cause you your life. That’s the environment that I was raised in until Jesus changed me. Not that I hurt people in the past which I didn’t do but my friends in the other hand were a different story. I had friends who died early in life for dealing drugs and it shows that life is precious and especially when you enter eternity. All of us are in danger if we die without Jesus because hell is real. You need to change your attitudes towards Jesus because that will not take to far. Jesus can change you and the best part its for free. Look, all I wanted from you guys is for your good not for your bad. If I had hatred in my heart I would of called all you guys bad names but I hope for your good welfare. All Christians hope that all may come to salvation in Jesus before its to late.

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          • makagutu says:

            You are already in a bad state. There is nothing I can do to make it worse if I wanted to.
            I don’t talk to you in a bad manner. I have little to no patient with what I consider silly. Notice I said what I consider silly. In this case it includes among others the belief that Jesus loves you.
            I am sorry you grew up in a bad environment.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I was expecting that type of reply from you. A heart that’s full of darkness cannot understand spiritual things. Don’t be sorry for me because through experiences like that makes one wiser. In the Bible trails produces stronger faith. You will never understand God, faith or anything spiritual unless you humble yourself and repent of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ because your ignorance will not count in your favor in the day that you meet the Lord.

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          • makagutu says:

            Humility, as one philosopher said, is an attitude of the good for nothings. And if applied to you, I think it really is true

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            So humility are for the good for nothing in life..wow. Once again you prove to me that I was right of your arrogance. Boast all you like now because later when you meet Jesus it will be a different story.

            Isaiah 2:11
            The haughty looks of man shall be brought low, and the lofty pride of men shall be humbled, and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.

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          • makagutu says:

            Haha. So you are threatening me with your Jesus? A great thinker said, and I paraphrase, that fear and ignorance gave birth to the gods, knowledge of nature will lead to their death. You are still in the stage of fear and ignorance. Take courage and look about, there is nothing to fear

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I’m not threatening I’m just telling you what Jesus said. Good luck on your pride saving you.

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          • makagutu says:

            No, Jesus did not say nothing. It is what someone said Jesus said

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            WOW, that’s knew, quotes are not from the person who said it..that’s the strangest thing I have ever heard. I see why you say that because you say that the quotes you took from me to make a false post, you say its not about me but they are my quotes. You need help because you don’t make any sense.

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          • makagutu says:

            I will type this. Slowly. There. Is. No. Evidence. For. Jesus. To. Claim. He. Said. This. Or. That. Is. Not. Supportable.
            You are lying and maybe that’s your hobby. I said I didn’t dedicate the post to you. I have not at any point said those were not your babble

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            What would a monkey do with evidence since you claim to come from a monkey. Look you are blind how can you see evidence. You don’t have to repeat yourself I know you can’t see.

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          • makagutu says:

            Ah, rather a monkey for a cousin than a dickhead like you for a relative

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Their you go it didn’t take too long to come out…curse words. Wow…your heart is so beautiful. Come on man who are you kidding…you love your darken heart that’s why you reject Jesus because you would have to change.

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          • makagutu says:

            I thought a moment ago you said I had no heart, did you forget that fast?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Not having a heart..does not mean a real one…boy what school you went to. You have no truth, compassion, love and truth.

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          • makagutu says:

            Nowhere have I said I went to school. How could you make such an assumption?
            I have made no claim to have truth, compassion or love. You have decided I don’t have because I disagree with your claims and think lowly of you

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            No because of what you have said that humility is not for you and you started to quote someone about it. Go look up what you wrote because you need to remember.

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          • makagutu says:

            I have excellent memory. I know what I wrote

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Oh brother…add boastful to your list of arrogance.

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          • makagutu says:

            Just in case I have not been clear, I have no fear of death, just dying. I don’t want to die just yet. I have friends I still want to spend time with

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            That’s the unwisest thing that I ever heard. The reason you don’t fear death because of your pride which is keeping you in a state of blindness to the truth which Jesus Christ.

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          • Nan says:

            Thought you were leaving, S … ??

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You guys keep talking to me how can I leave. I mean you guys dedicated a post just for me….I feel special. If you continue to respond I won’t leave you hanging. 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            No you got it wrong. It wasn’t dedicated to you. If it were, I would have written for spaniardvii but as it is, it has no title. Don’t lie to yourself

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            So I guess those quotes are not mines? Who is the one lying, not I. You can quote me all you like that gives me a chance to talk to you guys about Jesus Christ. Win win for 🙂

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          • makagutu says:

            What lie? I didn’t say those were not your words, I said I didn’t dedicate the post to you. Different things.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Yeah, you are not lying please….a heart full of darkness and pride. And you dedicated a post to my sayings. Who said those quotes you or me. A liar is a liar.

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          • makagutu says:

            Of course, light can’t pass through my skin to my heart. It must necessarily be in darkness

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You have no heart how can light pass through it. Pride dissolve one’s heart.

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          • makagutu says:

            I know I have no heart. I must use yours to pump blood

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You have no compassion since you think humility is for downcast but you are exalted. sad.

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          • makagutu says:

            Of course I have no compassion, how would I? With no heart and all?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I would agree with you. that’s the only truth you have said.

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          • makagutu says:

            I am glad you can recognize truth

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            To bad you can’t..not that you can’t but you won’t.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            By the way Nan…even though you left Jesus, He still loves you and misses you.

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          • makagutu says:

            Are you incapable of comprehending that Jesus and the stories about him are made up?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            There’s more evidence for Jesus Christ than for anyone in history and this is from secular sources.

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          • makagutu says:

            List this secular sources

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            1. Josephus wrote around 93 to 94 AD
            2. Roman historian Tacitus
            3. Pliny the Younger
            4. Lucian of Samosata
            5. Bart Ehrman himself who by the way is an apostate and writes against Christianity agrees that Jesus did exist because there’s to much evidence for the contrary and that the believers believed that He rose from the grave. Here is a quote from Bart Ehrman in his book called: “The Historical Argument For The Existence of Jesus.”

            “Few of these mythicists are actually scholars trained in ancient history, religion, biblical studies or any cognate field, let alone in the ancient languages generally thought to matter for those who want to say something with any degree of authority about a Jewish teacher who (allegedly) lived in first-century Palestine. There are a couple of exceptions: of the hundreds — thousands? — of mythicists, two (to my knowledge) actually have Ph.D. credentials in relevant fields of study. But even taking these into account, there is not a single mythicist who teaches New Testament or Early Christianity or even Classics at any accredited institution of higher learning in the Western world. And it is no wonder why. These views are so extreme and so unconvincing to 99.99 percent of the real experts that anyone holding them is as likely to get a teaching job in an established department of religion as a six-day creationist is likely to land on in a bona fide department of biology.”

            Historian Michael Grant wrote that:

            If we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned

            One has to purposely lie to himself and be blind to say Jesus was made up. You will never make it as an historian in secular society believing that Jesus was a myth which evidence is overwhelming for Jesus existence.

            Repent and believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Jesus loves you.

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          • makagutu says:

            Do you read anything else apart from apologists writing? What type of Jesus does Bert Ehrman write about? Have you read his books? Or you copied this response from some site to come and paste here?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            It doesn’t matter what evidence you see, your pride has blinded you to the core. Jesus could appear in your house and you still wouldn’t believe. You are no different from the Pharisee’s who seen Jesus’ miracles and harden their hearts. You want to stay blind and feel you aren’t worthy of eternal life then by all means stay blind.

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          • makagutu says:

            If Jesus lived and did miracles I would doubt him if I were a pharisee simply because one who speaks truth needs no additional demonstration. Only charlatans and liars need such

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You are a Pharisee that’s nothing new. You rather believe in monkeys as your cousin and in Nothing being your creator than logic.

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          • makagutu says:

            Again you are alluding to things I have not said.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Do you believe that you came from a monkey?

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          • makagutu says:

            Is that what they taught you?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I guess you don’t want to answer my question

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          • makagutu says:

            I have no obligation to answer any of your questions

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Of course not, you rather stay in your ignorance because you want to sin and not feel guilty.

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          • makagutu says:

            Those are your assumptions and I am not about to dissuade you

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I’m going by your responses if you want to change them while we talk then that’s you

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          • makagutu says:

            I have had enough of your stupidity. If you have something of value to write, by all means do so. If you don’t, please eff off!

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            God loves you so much that He sent His Son to die in your place. If you repent of your arrogance, Jesus will forgive you. That’s value.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Here are other quotes about Jesus existence:

            “Jesus death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable.”- Atheist Gerd Ludemann-The Resurrection of Christ, Pg 50.

            Michael Martin: Atheist
            “Some skeptics have maintained that the best account of the biblical and historical evidence is the theory that Jesus never existed; that is, that Jesus’ existence is a myth (Well 1999). Such a view is controversial and not widely held even by anti-Christian thinkers.” –Michael Martin, “Skeptical Perspectives on Jesus’ Resurrection”, in Delbert Burkett’s The Blackwell Companion to Jesus, Oxford: Blackwell, 2011), 285

            Bart Ehrman quote:
            “It is a historical fact that some of Jesus’ followers came to believe that he had been raised from the dead soon after his execution. We know some of these believers by name; one of them, the apostle Paul, claims quite plainly to have seen Jesus alive after his death. Thus, for the historian, Christianity begins after the death of Jesus, not with the resurrection itself, but with the belief in the resurrection” The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings. Third Edition. New York, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004.276).

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          • makagutu says:

            Paul claims to have seen Jesus in his hallucination or as you like vision. That, spaniardvii, cannot be taken as evidence here.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You do not take any evidence as I have presented that even atheist know and acknowledge that Jesus is not a myth but you apparently have more knowledge than your secular scholars. Like I said before your pride will be your humiliation and down fall in the end.

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          • makagutu says:

            You didn’t present evidence. You copy pasted other people’s opinions. I asked you to tell me what Jesus Ehrman talks about, that is, whether his Jesus is born of a virgin, works miracles and so on. If not, he ain’t talking about your Jesus.
            In case you have missed it, I have no belief of an afterlife. What happens when I die doesn’t bother me

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            You want to stay blind…no one can bring any evidence to a know it all how can they since you are all knowing

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        • Ron says:

          “I have personal relationship with Jesus who has answered my prayers.” ~Spaniardviii

          Cool. Jesus promised his followers that they would be able to heal the sick. So if you’re really best friends with Jesus, you could easily demonstrate this by clearing out your local hospital. Are you up for it?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Hmm… OK? That type of question demonstrates a depletion of exegesis. Come back and ask me a question when you make sense.

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          • Ron says:

            Here are the exact promises attributed to Jesus:

            “And these signs will accompany those who believe: . . .they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Mark 16:15-18

            “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.” John 14:12-14

            Now, demonstrate that you are a true believer by clearing out all the sick people at your local hospital.

            Failure to do so will mean one of the following is true:

            a) the NT authors misquoted Jesus
            b) Jesus made a faulty promise, or
            c) you are not a true believer.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I guess you didn’t understand what I meant by exegesis. Not everyone has the same gift and it isn’t done according to one’s will but directed by the Holy Spirit.

            1 Corinthians 12:8-11
            8 to one is given a message of wisdom
            through the Spirit,
            to another, a message of knowledge
            by the same Spirit,
            9 to another, faith by the same Spirit,
            to another, gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
            10 to another, the performing of miracles,
            to another, prophecy,
            to another, distinguishing between spirits,
            to another, different kinds of languages,
            to another, interpretation of languages.
            11 But one and the same Spirit is active in all these, distributing to each person as He wills.

            Romans 8:14
            For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

            My son who’s 14 years old knows how to interpret a passage in its proper context of the gift of the Spirit of God more than what I have witness today. Wow amazing.

            Its like a warehouse guy trying to explain mechanical engineering. Without the Holy Spirit in a person life, you are just going to sound unintelligent with your argument.

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          • Ron says:

            I provided you with direct quotes attributed to Jesus. Romans and Corinthians are writings attributed to Paul.

            Do you follow Jesus or Paul?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            It takes the mind of Christ to understand the Bible. You make no sense, no Christian in the world will think that you make any sense. You have a better chance breathing under the water than understanding the Bible. You keep getting worst with your arguments that you sound like an atheist. Wait a minute, you are an atheist…ok I see why you sound bad.

            2 Timothy 3:16-17
            16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

            2 Peter 1:20-21
            20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

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          • Ron says:

            It would be extremely presumptuous (and anachronistic) of Paul to refer to his own letters as scripture before they were accepted as part of the NT Canon—don’t you think?

            And the promises made by Jesus (“You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.”) are simple and direct; there’s no special interpretation required.

            So again: do you follow Jesus or Paul? And when can I expect you to quit stalling and follow through on the promises attributed to Jesus?

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Man, how else can I say it. Here are some verses that will prove the letters of Paul and the messages he brought was and is the Word of God:

            This is Paul who wrote to the church in Thessalonica (1 Thessalonians 2:13) which says, “And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.

            Paul’s letters were considered scripture according to:
            2 Peter 2:15-16
            15 Also, regard the patience of our Lord as an opportunity for salvation, just as our dear brother Paul has written to you according to the wisdom given to him. 16 He speaks about these things in all his letters in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

            I don’t follow Paul or any of the Apostles but Jesus alone. The Epistles, the four gospels and the Old T. has one author, The Holy Spirit. ALL Scripture is God Breathed and according to the verses I just showed you are considered God’s Word so all of the N.T. is God’s Word because it came from God. Different writers One Author and message.

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          • Ron says:

            Your entire argument amounts to circular reasoning:

            I’m a die-hard empiricist, so the only way you’ll ever sway me is by demonstrating your beliefs through action.

            And to date, no Christian I’ve asked has been willing to take on the challenge. Without fail, every single one immediately deflects; which leads me to conclude your beliefs are built upon empty promises.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Because no Christian in their right mind takes your interpretation seriously. Your interpretation is incorrect so you will have no Christian prove to you what you want because its unbiblical. The person’s job to convince you is the Holy Spirit. I will keep you in my prayers.

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          • Ron says:

            Unbiblical? That’s strange, because the book of Acts reports early Christians healing the sick, raising the dead and performing exorcisms.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            Its unbiblical because your interpretation is wrong. Only the Apostles had that.

            2 Corinthians 12:12
            I persevered in demonstrating among you the marks of a true apostle, including signs, wonders and miracles.

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          • Ron says:

            Once more, you’re quoting Paul and ignoring what Jesus promised. The passages I posted earlier state unequivocally that “anyone who believes” will possess these capabilities—not just the original disciples.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            I already gave you the answer but you are refusing to accept it. You can take a horse to the water hole but you can’t make it drink.

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          • Ron says:

            I reject your answer because it stands in direct contradiction to the words uttered by Jesus in Mark and John.

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          • Spaniardviii says:

            No, you didn’t reject my answer Mr. Ron. You are rejecting Jesus Christ because the whole Bible is God’s Word which you are rejecting. Jesus is the Word of God according to Revelation 19:13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.

            John 1:1,14
            In the beginning was the Word,
            and the Word was with God,
            and the Word was God.

            14 The Word became flesh
            and took up residence among us.
            We observed His glory,
            the glory as the One and Only Son from the Father,
            full of grace and truth.

            Paul was appointed by Jesus to proclaim His Word according to Acts 9:13-17 13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard from many people about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And he has authority here from the chief priests to arrest all who call on Your name.”

            15 But the Lord said to him, “Go! For this man is My chosen instrument to take My name to Gentiles, kings, and the Israelites. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for My name!”

            17 So Ananias left and entered the house. Then he placed his hands on him and said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road you were traveling, has sent me so that you can regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

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          • Ron says:

            I’ve been quoting Jesus while you keep quoting Paul (who claims he received his “gospel” in a vision)—so who’s really rejecting Jesus?

            And which “whole bible” are you you referring to? Because there are many different canons in circulation.

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          • makagutu says:

            I refer to these fundamentalists as Paulinites.

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          • makagutu says:

            Ron, the Christian has said you must have the mind of christ to understand the bible. Who would have known? That looks like a fail safe switch to dismiss all criticism.

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          • Ron says:

            In a way, he’s right. I’d have to adapt the mindset of a superstitious, scientifically illiterate man to fully understand the contents of the Bible.

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          • makagutu says:

            How would that even be done? It’s like being asked to unsee something

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          • makagutu says:

            Once he clears his local hospital, could he clear ours too?

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          • Ron says:

            I don’t know. For some odd reason he’s reluctant to demonstrate these awesome powers.

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          • makagutu says:

            I remember a while back Club had put a similar challenge to some pastor. She was to show up with a lighter and an accelerant, the pastor with prayers. They would do see who would start a fire on some faggots. I don’t think the challenge was taken up.

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          • Ron says:

            You mean Bill Keller, the cable TV preacher in Florida who challenged ISIS to the 1 Kings 18 alter challenge? Yeah, I remember him. Maybe Spaniardviii is one of his loyal subscribers, given that they live in the same state..

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          • makagutu says:

            I think that was his name. Yes, and that was his challenge. Vel offered to go his church but I don’t think he took the challenge

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  11. Spaniardviii says:

    Matthew 5:11-12
    11 “You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me. 12 Be glad and rejoice, because your reward is great in heaven. For that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    I rejoice that I’m counted worthy to be insulted for Christ sake. Jesus loves all of you and you have a chance to be forgiven of all your sins through faith in Jesus Christ if you believe that He died for your sins was buried and on the third day rose from the grave in victory. Jesus’ loves all of you so much that He doesn’t want to see anyone perish but to come to the Lord Jesus in repentance and faith for eternal life before its too late. No one knows how long we are here on earth but one day we all have to meet our end I pray that we may meet it with Jesus in our hearts.

    Romans 3:23-26
    23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

    John 3:16-17
    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

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    • basenjibrian says:

      We insult only the totalitarian toxicity that is Christianity. Despite the poorly copied together scribblings of your early Cult Leaders, that is good thing.

      Compare “Matthew” here to recordings of Jim Jones. Or the Heaven’s Gate cultists. Or the Official Propagandists for Kim Jong Un. Amazing how they all, at heart, sound the same. Obey the Leader/God/Preacher. Sacrifice yourself for us. Give us more money.

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      • Spaniardviii says:

        Were you brought up in Christianity as a child or what was your up bringing?

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        • makagutu says:

          Does it matter if he was brought up pagan? Or Hindu? Or whatever? How is that important for the ongoing debate? Or are you looking for an excuse to start an ad hominem

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      • Spaniardviii says:

        Jim Jones and the rest were never saved because they all went against the Word of God. The Word of God is the Standard of righteousness which reveals God’s character. If a person claims to be a Christian and lives his life against God’s Word then that person was never saved in the first place. Here is an example found in scripture:

        Matthew 7:21-23
        21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

        As you can see people were claiming to Jesus that they are followers of Him but their lifestyle was not changed and they continued to live like the world in sin proving that they were never saved.

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        • makagutu says:

          Has it occurred to your simple mind that what you keep writing here is useless blather? You keep telling is your god is the standard of righteousness; a god who instead of keeping his very special creation from harm created them stupid so they could be easily cheated by a talking snake and then curses them!
          I think you suffer many things, one of them could be a lack of education or an ability to be critical.

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        • basenjibrian says:

          yet they all sound the same. Believe nonsense. Obey. Isolate yourself from the rest of the community. Give us money.

          Imaging a word of god or a holy spirit does not address this. Nor does repeating words from The Cult Manual.

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    • makagutu says:

      Maybe you have a little problem with either comprehension or learning. There is no evidence for your Jesus. The verses you quote are just so stories cobbled together by different people whose motives we have no way of knowing.

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      • cordusdeo says:

        With this attitude, you must also dismiss every history book that was ever written or you are one of those “cherry pickers” who arbitrarily choose to believe your OWN preconceptions.

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        • makagutu says:

          How do you come to such a conclusion?
          Good morning

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Makagutu writes: “How do you come to such a conclusion?”

            ~~~~~ The Scriptures have gathered more credibility than other documents that go back that far. Archeologists and ancient historians have laid the foundation for that a long time ago, yet, you chose to accept the events portrayed in the secular history documents but reject the events portrayed in the Scriptures. That clearly demonstrates a bigoted and prejudicial attitude toward the Scriptures. I will not discuss anything with a mind that refuses to display logic.

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          • makagutu says:

            So are you suggesting archaeological evidence for a god revealing scripture has been found? Or what exactly has it discovered? Last I checked, the research is that there was no exodus out of Egypt, moses, Abe, Isaac and many others are not historical. If I may ask, what books do you read? You are among the least informed people I have met online.
            Because I disagree with your claims you conclude I am bigoted and prejudiced against scripture. You really are special

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          • cordusdeo says:

            It is obvious that the books you choose to read are predicated on your presuppositions that are in support of your prejudices.

            Also, your insult was duly noted which convinces me you are a hateful person lacking contentment.

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          • makagutu says:

            Haha. You said lacking contentment! No, you got it wrong. I have no patience for people like you.
            Have you examined my reading list? How can you make a conclusion about it?

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          • cordusdeo says:

            Then there should be no problem for you to stop sending comments to me. I would appreciate that.

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          • makagutu says:

            You got it wrong again. This is my blog.

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        • makagutu says:

          Which other book have you seen me dismiss? Have you bothered to find out why I think the bible is a hodgepodge of poorly collected just so stories?
          Don’t make conclusions too fast mate, it makes you, as I said earlier, sound stupid.

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        • Spaniardviii says:

          If it doesn’t have a monkey in the book they toss it.

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  12. Nan says:

    Spaniard7 — I’ve been reading your many comments as we go along (most of which contain scripture and thus are meaningless to non-believers) and as the conversation as progressed, I’ve noticed a definite tone of anger in your responses.

    I’m sure you get frustrated and even feel you are being attacked. But so what? Your Jesus was attacked and suffered a fate that you yourself will never face, Yet he did not “fight back.”

    There’s an old idiom that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Also, you seem to hold Paul on somewhat of a pedestal, so perhaps it might be good for you to read what he wrote in 1 Corinthians about love.

    The odds are strongly against you if you think you will win any of Mak’s blog visitors over to your side. But allowing them to “get under your skin” only shows you are not as strong in your faith as you would like us to believe.

    Just a few words to the wise …

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    • Spaniardviii says:

      Thank you for your feedback Nan very astute of you. Jesus called the Jewish elders brood of snakes like 7X’s. You enjoy my humility because you can step on me all you want and not feel guilty. Once I start being stern with truth and showing you your errors, now you don’t like it because I’m exposing your sins.

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      • Nan says:

        See? You just did it again. If your goal is to reach others for your Christ, I can assure you it is NOT going to happen when you use snide remarks and condemnations.

        BTW, humility means: “A disposition to be humble; a lack of false pride.” To even claim humility is to counteract the very meaning of the word.

        And one last thing … it is not for you to judge whether anyone is “sinning.” Remember your scriptures … God looks on the heart.

        Now go read your bible and pray like a good little Christian.

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        • makagutu says:

          Nan the good Christian had concluded we want to sin, we can’t understand scripture and finally that I am incapable of compassion. I am not sure asking him to go pray will make him evaluate his comments. He is likely to come and repeat the same things.

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        • Spaniardviii says:

          When I didn’t say anything back to anyone meaning point out their sins did you get convicted? You and your pals did was use curse words and mockery to my humility. Once I started to be more stern in my approach with the reality that all are in sin and without faith in Jesus one will be lost eternally…than I show no love by telling you the truth. You just like to put people down who are trying to love you by telling you the truth but of course don’t bring in the sin part because its not loving. You want to live in sin without anyone telling you that you are a sinner. Nice.

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  13. Nan says:

    I’m sure you’re right, Mak, but I just couldn’t resist a jab or two. 😉

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  14. I find this far more amusing than I probably should… perhaps one day (when I have the allotted time) I will attempt (and probably fail) to correct some of my brother-from-another-mother’s (spaniardviii) comments. Don’t get me wrong… I’m not saying I disagree with the spainiard, but I do think many of their comments were at least misguided based on the audience at hand. I do have a question though… I’m not sure if I picked up on this correctly or not… do y’all believe in Allah, or no God/gods at all? Just trying to clarify.

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  15. Real real me says:

    This is hilarious!!! I missed reading posts like this when you oppose someone’s opinion(s). Love your sense of humor.

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