wonder no more. The good people of AiG have the answers.
I particularly like this part
First, we must restate that God created all microorganisms. Even though the word germ does not appear in Scripture, that does not mean that God didn’t create them. Many other modern words such as trinity, dinosaur, or Pixar are not in the Bible but we know that they exist. Bacteria were created early in Creation Week and were part of what was pronounced “very good” . Due to Adam’s sin, all of creation was cursed to varying degrees; the genomic deterioration of microbes began at that time. We cannot know for certain that microbes immediately became pathogenic and began to kill living things right after the Fall, but we do know that the origin of “molecular” thorns and thistles could have happened at that time because of the thorns and thistles on plants.
Random thoughts 
Well now we know!
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And we have the good guys at AiG to thank
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Interesting read I enjoyed reading it. I am a science person and Christian as well. Got any more to read.
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As a Christian, do you believe the assertions of the AiG team? How do you as a scientist reconcile the claims of the bible and your scientific knowledge?
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I don’t know what is Aig is i miss spoke i am not that scientists i am more of a believer than a scientist
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what does “science person” mean?
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Science Person: A person science has determined is too wrapped up in “wooism” to be taken seriously.
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Hahaha
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Nothing really
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so you used something that means “nothing really”? I suspect not. I do wonder why Christians try such obvious falsehoods.
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And he has also said he is more of a believer than a scientist. What’s one to believe?
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I think that might be his problem too. Make claims and then when challenged, retreat because you didn’t even remotely think things through.
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Oh the awesomeness of a string of words that says nothing but sounds thoughtful!
I would love to know what the AIDS virus did before it became what it is now and how AiG proposes we work that out.
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I am almost certain if we wait long enough, the good people of AiG will have an answer to your questions
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I do hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath!
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You are forgiven already. We don’t want you turning blue
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😀 you’re welcome
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Good one
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Don’t you know anything? AIDS came about when Jesus raped a monkey 😀
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Gee thanks, I’ve now got a mental image of His Halo’d Holiness having rodeo sex with Beelzebub’s favourite monkey halfway up a Baobab!
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Hahaha, Pink. Now I know
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You are disgusting . How could you be so offensive and repulsive and think and make joke about his holiness Jesus christ. And say such awful things. Read reverlation and Matthew. There will come a day when everyone will be judged for everything one says. On judgment day.
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Is Reverlation before or after Jesus’ Arse Holiness?
Will Matthew have a point system and worksheets to judge people?
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Haha Pink.
You never cease to amuse me.
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Only you find his comments repulsive and offensive.
As for me, your comment shows a failure on your part to think things through. You are here try to threaten him about things you know nothing about instead of asking yourself why any god would want to associate itself with that vile book, the bible
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i don’t have to sink to your level f thinking god bye for good
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Bye and happy holidays
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It owned a bagel store in Manhattan. Hopefully, AiG and ‘Lil Kenny Ham-bone can convince it to reopen the store and stop infecting people.
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I hope they open it soon
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I love the notion of ‘Creation Week’. I want to have one myself. Get all my projects finished, and get a gold star at the end of it. But goodness, Noel, all this is truly bonkers, and not a little sad. In fact it’s tragic – that humanity is so cursed, and the world full of beastly killing microbes. And who knows what the pixars might morph into. Where’s the joy, for godsake?
It’s dank and drippy and foggy in my neck of the woods. How are things in Nairobi – wet? hot? And how are you?
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Tish, just think about it. God cursed bacteria. He made them good first and because Adam ate a fruit that god had no reason to plant in the first place, he caused them to be disease carrying! What is really sad is that someone believes this.
It was quite cold in the morning but now the weather has improved to highs of 29 degC!
I am doing well, very well. On the political side of things, I am soon becoming tired of reading about scandals in govt institutions. It’s gotten to a level that is sickening.
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Glad you’re OK, but it’s really disheartening to read about the political situation, and not just the scandals. It goes on and on, all the vying for power. Just been reading stupid stuff about Kalonzo down in Ukambani. Everyone cannot be president!
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There are so many annoying things one does good to stay away
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Just take a look at the cabal of conspiracy nuts, fundamentalist religious (and capitalist money-worshipping) kooks, politicians from our more dismal states, and outright crazies the Tangerine Gibbon is appointing to positions of power.
Six Magic Numbers (Lottery). Six Magic Numbers. I would be in New Zealand so quick if I had the money (or skills). 🙂 Even with the earthquakes. 😦
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Suppose that you believe in the existence of the evil demon (Lucifer, anti-god, anti-Christ, whatever) whose mission it is to mislead and destroy humanity. Then there is only one possible surmisal explanation: Unicellular/microorganisms such bacteria, viruses etc are the evil demon’s attempts at creating complex life form. Of course, this makes sense if only one admits the existence of an evil demon who controls the world.
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How are you doing?
In that case, one must ask if there exist two beings of equal power each trying to create a world of their liking
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Ah! My friend I’m enjoying life while it lasts. Precisely, there are possibly two beings of somewhat equal power giving rise to dualism and brutal struggles in every corner of the universe. Poet Heine puts it more succinctly, he says, to the devil belongs our flesh (material existence) and to god belongs our “spirit/soul.” The more we strive towards god/superman, the more the devil pulls us earthward into the deep (Nietzsche) by fixating us on earthly realities.
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As we have no documentation (other than wishful thinking or chemical induced hallucinations) that such a “spirit realm” exists, why not just take the next logical step and agree that the Creator of the universe, the only universe, is The Owner of All Infernal Names?
(Why, oh why is John Zande not updating his site? Is he caught up in the Petrobras scandals? Let the rumors start HERE! LOL /j/k)
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When you say “documentation” do you mean scientific evidence? There are tons of documentation in nature but spirit is more of a perceptual experience. Our world is filled with complexity and uncertainty because our imagination is limited. Will you say that the writers of the bible who predicted wars, strife, greed, incest, rape, infact all forms of evils in today’s world. Would you say their predictions are untrue because they didn’t have evidence at the time?
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VP, it is a stretch of imagination to claim they predicted wars. They wrote after the fact. And besides, if I said today there will be civil war in some place, does that make me inspired?
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So you admit that some bible writings are based on facts. Moreover, it wasn’t just wars. Check this quotation: “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men [humanity] shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. — 2 Timothy Chapter 3
You will agree with me that the most learned people are also the most misled. This prediction is too accurate to be a mere stretch of imagination. Even science has not been this accurate in predicting human behavior a about thousand years ahead of time. It seems you agree that some bible writers wrote after facts. So case close.
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You are putting words in my mouth. When I say someone has written afyer the fact, I mean to say, and this obvious, that they are writing after the event has taken place. I have not at this point made a comment on other writings.
That is not a prediction.
In every age human beings have been greedy, disobedient and so on.
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They are greedier and more heartless now.
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Really? Than they were 2000 yrs ago when Nero killed even his teacher? Or when Xerxes overthrew Athens? You really must live in a different world my friend.
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Killing and overthrow is not new. Death itself is not new. I understand that. The persistence and triumph of evil is. Are you saying there has been no change in humans for the past 2000 years? Mak, I don’t even know why we are even arguing because you posted a lot on human immorality/degeneration. The fact is it’s worse now.
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Care to point anywhere I have written about human immorality and degeneration. And I am interested in your evidence that it is worse now
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You once commented that most people’s lives are a misery. Evidence? Look at Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Yemen etc. Humans are worse now because they have developed biological weapons, h-bombs, barrel bomb, jet fighters etc. to destroy eachother. The ancients didn’t have that. Hence we are worse now.
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How do you come from misery to immorality?
Maybe if you read some history, you will discover humanity has always excelled in killing each other. If there is any difference between then and now is the ease and speed with which info travel
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I also said human degeneration. Misery, immorality and degeneration are cousins. Your comparison of warfare then and now is off target. You have no more argument Mak.
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I like how you decide you have won an argument. Reminds me of my childhood days
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Everyone reading knows human societies are worse now. You were just pushing your boundaries. You always want to be right even when you started on a wrong assumption. Ofcourse, not everything in the bible is true but with regards to the predictions of human societies and behaviour, the bible writers did a good job. We have become so selfish and self centred that I wouldn’t be surprised if news breaks in the near future of people marrying robots. Anyway better luck next time in your arguments.
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Everyone reading? Did you read Brian’s comment? What boundaries am I pushing?
Which wrong assumption did I start with in this discussion? I am always willing and ready to accept correction.
When you say we have become selfish, what time frame are you using? Last 2 years, last 50 100 or 1000?
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Hahaha.
I think he is busy defending his ass in the Petrobas scandal.
I agree with you, if the universe has an author, then JZ nailed him/it/ she
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In that case, why can’t the two beings or whatever they are battle it out and tell us the winner of the contest.
It’s good to enjoy life while it lasts.
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We don’t matter because we are mortals and therefore just specks in the universe. The ‘battle’ is for the immortals.
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So why should we concern ourselves with the immortals?
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I never said we should concern ourselves with immortals.
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I am not granting VP’s argument here. By what standard are people “more evil” today than they once were? How does he know? What is the measurement of evil that he is using?
Every generation thinks that it is living in the most fallen times. (And that the following generation is always more debauched and worthless)
He ignored your examples.
The only way in which humanity is more evil than our gracious forefathers is sheer quantity-because there are so many, many more of us in total. So, the sheer quantity of humanity, along with the competition for resources, means that the total supply of human evil may be greater. And, with modern media, we are aware of any missile attack on Aleppo, every Al Shabbab Mall Bombing.
But strangely enough, every religion and social ideology promotes breeding. “Be Fruitful and Multiply”. Or, are you claiming that all of these ideologies and religions are of the dark (material) side? Then why should we pay attention to them anyway?
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Neither can I grant him his argument. His argument would mean in the last 2K years human nature has changed from mellow to violent, from peaceable to war mongering. There are no grounds for such a belief
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a la Mad Magazine.
AiG, AiG, Going Round the bend,
AiG, AiG,Microbes were God’s friends,
Loved in the Styx,
Now Yahweh is a Dick,
AiG, AiG, AiG.
Sung to the tune of Robin Hood
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Is this the chorus?
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I think this is pretty much all of it!
Look for the video. You can sing along!
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So then all the microbes would have to have been on the ark, by their logic. So the people would have had to be carrying and passing around smallpox and measles and polio and whooping cough, and ALL the human parasites. I guess the sheep carried the anthrax. How did they keep the rabies alive, I wonder, given that it kills the host?
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Sheesh! There’s always one, isn’t there!
Killjoy.
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forget all those, who had to host the man-flu for that whole year?
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That isn’t even my biggest problem. Why were they created in the first place? I think one can agree with John Z that if the universe has an author, that author is malicious
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Oh, I see. It is all metaphorical, except for the literal parts.
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I tell you.
I think the fellows at AiG should distribute the lenses they use to separate metaphor from literal
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I hadn’t thought about AiG and Kenny Ham-bone in some time, and YOU had to go ‘n remind me. Why, you, I outta!
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I just wanted those who are sick to know god is in control. He created the pathogens
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That bastard.
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Disclaimer: I did not read the entire article.
Did you notice this in the portion you published? Even though the word germ does not appear in Scripture, that does not mean that God didn’t create them.
“Even though” and “does not appear” being the keywords. 🙂
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Hahaha.
The guys at AiG know what created on the 7th day just before s/h/it began the rest.
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Ah.
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Sounds like something you say to your doctor when she’s looking down your throat.
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Hahaha
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hmmm, so we can also know that there must have been silver tea sets, Ferraris, Saturn V rockets, and comic books in the garden of eden since the bible didn’t specifically say that they weren’t there.
the AiG people are unadulterated morons and that also goes for those who believe them.
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Oh dear, all those are mentioned in the bible. You just need to know where to look
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It’s all in the numerology. If one assigns certain numerals to certain Hebrew letters, then divides by other numerals magically associated with other Hebrew letters, then assigns random values based on the Secret Bible Code, then one sees that “BMW M3” is indeed the chariots we the elect will all drive once we reach the Eternal New Jerusalem (which will have special lanes for the BMWelohim where the mere Prius Seraphim will not be allowed to slow us down!)
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Hahaha.
It’s all code my friend and that code is revealed only to the elect 🙂
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ah, i’m guessing they must be in the interior decorating instructions in the OT, with all of the other nonsense. “Lo, the temple must contain a rocket with 8 millions pounds of thrust.
heh, considering how panicked ol’ God was about a tower of mud bricks, such a thing should just kill it.
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If you want to know how to fix your car, the explanation is there in numbers
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hah! 🙂 lo, and the fuel injectors must be properly aligned so that the angels may fly from one to the other….
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All that is covered, immediately after that verse that tells you not to boil a goat in its milk or is it blood??
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milk. anything to be weird. 🙂
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I tried, I really did. I wanted to read that article but I just could not. As soon as I get the feeling someone is making shit up to justify their wacky beliefs my brain shuts down, the eyes glaze over, and I start getting a headache.
Reminds me a lot of Ancient Aliens.
The lengths these people will go to, to rationalize away the many problems with their babble stories is simply amazing. Fantasies are for children.
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Maybe they are big children and they like fantasies.
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Big Children with their fingers now on the Big Buttons 😦
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That’s scary
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Well…that would explain a lot 🙂
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This sounds like an explanation indented for little to understand, but to some, it may sound like a major scientific discovery, I guess.
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It is a major explanation from AiG
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Ok. But it still doesn’t explain why the Big Kahoona didn’t just magically poof all the bad people out of existence instantaneously.
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He likes to watch people suffering. It’s there in the book
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He’s also providing post-rapture entertainment for his slaves. Even if they have been spiritually lobotomized, the slaves would eventually get bored praising his GLORY, so watching the sinners roast is an appetizing vacation entertainment?
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That will be commercial break from singing hallelujah
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