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Does the number of atheists grow where you are living, in absolute numbers or with respect to the number of people? Is there a way to increase it? What needs to be done in this direction, what are the obstacles?
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I will start with the easier one: what is to be done? The curriculum ought to be changed. In most schools, Christianity or Islam is taught as fact to children from the earliest ages. A subject like philosophy is not taught to all groups in campus. That means very few people acquire critical thinking skills.
It is hard to tell if numbers are growing. I don’t think anyone has taken a scientific poll to see the numbers. But I think there is a growing number of atheists and agnostics.
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This is a great post.
I do have a few questions for you, I hope are not too personal…
1. How old are you?
2. Where do you live in Kenya?
3. When did you stop being a Catholic and became an atheist again? 😀
4. Have you ever traveled on another continent?
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1. 34
2. Nairobi
3. 7 yrs ago
4. Yes
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Thank you 🙂
I was curios. 😉
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No problem
I was curious too. Curious to see what questions I would be asked
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🙂 Now you know what your friends wanted to find out about you. 🙂
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Do some atheists, agnostics and the like secretly believe in and pray to God? I think and believe so, based on human nature when things get tight.
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How would I know what some atheists secretly do?
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Ask them. That’s what I have done. I’m asking you.
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Speaking as a non-believer, I do not believe in, or pray to, “God” whether in secret or in public.
Something that you might not be aware of, but once a person puts aside, or never assumes, belief in a god, they do not feel any need to seek out a supernatural power to assist them in living. So assumption that “human nature” creates this need is in error.
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Usually when a person’s life hangs in the scales a “human nature” or the natural tendency is to turn to someone or something for help and guidance. When those 2 options are not there, the inner secret real person, WILL cry out to God in secret for help even when they don’t believe in God. Some may/will deny that they do pray to God secretly, but they will never tell you whether they do or don’t. There are those who use to be atheist, agnostic, igtheist, etc., that have turned to God in their hour of need and have changed their view of their belief in God.
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… the inner secret real person, WILL cry out to God in secret for help And you know this how? Do you travel the planet and make notes of the actions of dying people? Do you have a special talent that allows you to peek into the secret lives of others?
Puleeze. This is your belief and is valid only within yourself and your circle of God/Christian believers.
Perhaps it’s time to broaden your perspective and recognize there are primitive cultures and civilizations all over the world who do not believe in your god or any god.
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Those things are not needed. The traveling throw space or the observations of of person’s last words and actions before death. Its simply based on human nature and not just scriptural principles.
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Methinks the bible is all she reads. She has no idea there are Buddhists, Hindus and so many other groups that do not believe in her particular deity.
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You can only speak for yourself. And those that agree with you MAY be to ashamed to admit that they pray to God secretly. One never knows what one will do and say during a desperate moment or chapter in their life….
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Hello. I can tell you as an atheist pagan how I responded to your scenario. I did not pray to any deity nor any higher being for anything in any situation, tight or not. I have been in critical situations, in very dangerous situations and even clinically dead for a few minutes. So while what you describe maybe what you and your friends believe happens, it is simply your belief. Please don’t assume everyone will do or act just as you think they will or even should. We don’t all have your stimulations and drives. As To what I did do, I used my intelligence and training to remove me and those with me from the danger we were in, I used my health and stamina to stay alert and functioning for as long as I needed to as long as I could. When I was dying I accepted it and took joy in the fact I had no pain and no needs. I was content. I did not need a deity, a god, a faith , a religion. I wish you the best. Hugs
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I appreciate your sincere honest reply and I recognize that not everyone subscribes to my views nor that of the Bible’s concerning my question about atheist secretly praying to God. I too, inturn wish you and yours the best.
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Why do you think we would pray to your…God? Your God demonstrates the horror of his character through “his” holy books, the actions of his believers, and the nature of the world and universe he has purportedly created. especially when things “get tight”. Given that your God is purportedly responsible for everything, isn’t it incoherent to think a believer should pray to the guilty party for succor?
But, like Maka, how can we answer such a question? And why do you assume “atheists” pray to YOUR God.
I imagine a captured Texcalan about to be sacrificed by the Aztec priest to Smoking Mirror prays to his national deity for revenge on his murderers.
The smugness of fly-by believers who think their Halmark Card theology is convincing is astounding.
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They shock me, my friend. Each of them comments like he/she is the first to introduce us to the good news of their lawd and savior.
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I have had many surgeries, including lumbar, & mastectomy/cancer treatments. I am also about to have hip replacement.
NOT ONCE did I rely on anyone but the people who gave me a ride, fed my cats, made a meal, or did some shopping for me. Real people!
I faced the reality of my diagnoses, & did what the medical professions said I needed to do, & tried to do it with politeness, & humour.
No clergy, church, praying, whining, or begging, in secret or otherwise!!!!
In other words, I try to be a grown up!
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Praying would not have changed a thing.
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Nope, but the medical professions made a change, & I’m alive because of it!
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Hey, Maka. WordPress is doing its comment-eating thing again. Is there any way to link to older comments on this thread? I counted 19, and the comment counter shows 75!
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I wish I knew that my friend.
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I thought you didn’t approve those comments for us to read, because you found the questions too personal.
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Nope. There was none too personal that I would delete. It was a WordPress problem
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I just heard a news report that 23 of the 47 counties in Kenya face severe drought conditions. How are the conditions where you live?
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I live in the city and as such these reports we see them in the news or read about them.
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