I will start with facts. I am no American citizen. I have a plan to go to NYC and visit one dear friend who lives there. I also want to visit many other places in the world and eventually settle somewhere with a beach front and where I will can spend my hard earned money without the fear of some taxman. I hate paying taxes. I really do.
But I digress.
I started reading a book; Pursuit of the millennium, and it promises to be interesting. But that also is not what this is about.
Many people have expressed outrage over the ban imposed by the tRump on some 7 Muslim countries that have been exporting terrorists to the US. KIA tells us he ain’t a supporter of the Donald but he approves of the ban. It is his right as a citizen of the US of A to want the government to protect him. I am also reliably informed that the countries of concern were drafted under the previous administration. In effect, we can say this is a wheel that was already on a roll and tRump has just accelerated it. I believe his government has its reasons for doing this.
Only those born yesterday would be unaware of the number of times the US government have toppled regimes elsewhere that threatened its corporations or exploitation of the locals. In banning those 7 countries while ignoring Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, countries that actually financed terrorists, Turkey that for a long time allowed ISIS to use its border as launching pad for activities in Syria stinks to high heavens. That people like Mike and others actually believe their government is protecting them while busy bombing others night and day is, to me, like the dreams of a child.
If you really want to be safe at home, you don’t burn your neighbour’s house. At the end of the day, it is the enemy within than without that you must fear. And what does this translate to? More surveillance, racial profiling and loss of freedoms in the name of national security.
Or maybe I am wrong in all this and KIA is right, in which case, mea culpa.
I would support the ban anytime. Maybe I do not care so much about my life as I care about those of my children period.
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Do you think external threats are the biggest problem to the US of A?
We recently repatriated Somali and Sudanese refugees back to their countries and the government gave many reasons for that among them they included terrorism. I think our biggest threat to national peace are politicians. Their actions or inactions have led to more deaths than all the acts of terrorism
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Exactly but one has to protect your own first at any cost. Charity……begins……
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The ban might have contained a margin of substance if he actually went after the main culprit,which appears to be Saudi Arabia.
Surely Trump’s advisers and the CIA cannot be that uninformed to know where the real terrorist threat currently lies?
Knowing these facts, as he surely must, why do you think he did not slap a ban on Saudi Arabia?
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You have to know the history here….. it is the oil you see. There is a lot here that goes back quite far. All is nor what it seems to be.
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I agree. But it simply highlights the hypocrisy of what Trump is doing.
As Mak has mentioned , the US has been instrumental in overthrowing quite a number of governments not ”friendly” or useful to the US.
Trump’s actions are as ridiculous as Zuma banning Zimbabweans for being responsible for all the crime in SA.
And on that topic, if Trump had at least a proactive, workable plan to combat firearm deaths in the US he would earn a modicum of respect simply by addressing the issue.
All he is currently doing is fueling hate by randomly pissing (off) on everyone who is remotely reasonable..
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Hypocrisy and Trump? NEVER!
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Most certainly oil plays a major role … but it’s been hidden under bushels of other reasons.
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Oil and arms trade. Saudi and Pakistan buy large stockpiles of weapons from the US. Of course you don’t want to cut that market
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And of course Pakistan is supposed to keep the Taliban in check
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Which you and I know they seem to be doing very well
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And of course Iran. The enemy of my enemy….
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Iran is an enemy of Saudi. So yes, the enemy of my enemy
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We do business with the Saudi’s and they’re our “allies”. aka “good guys”. So, we can’t ban them. It wouldn’t be nice.
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Yes, that point had not escaped my notice!
As I am sure it hadn’t escaped the notice of Trump’s advisers or the CIA.
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And Pakistan.
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Have a look a Sirius Bizinus’ post Criticism of the Refugee Ban and questions 1 to 4 of Bill Peddie’s post SAMPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT’S PRESS SECRETARY to see why it’s all smoke and mirrors. Closing your borders to everyone will barely make a dent in the rate of terrorism on American soil.
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Largely because the biggest component of terrorism in the USA is good ol’ white Dominionist?
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I don’t agree with the ban. At all. Total discrimination. I don’t agree with Islam either, but tarring all Muslims with an ISIS brush? Bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.
Incidentally I do agree with paying tax. How else does a country run? Although I would prefer the rich and companies to pay a fair share. Yes orange carrot, that includes you.
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That’s a hard question and I think my feelings are driven by the waste in our government, the lack of basic services and so on. So if I paid taxes and they actually translated to better services, my opinion would be different.
I agree, painting Muslims, even if others argue it is just from 7 countries, is very. very, bad.
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But, without taxes, there is no income. Simple. Anarchy? Fair enough. Wouldn’t bother me.
I don’t care if it is from one country or 77, it is despicable.
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It seems to me that Saudi Arabia has been the real culprit all along, It was they who produced the Wahhabi strain of Islam which is the inspiration for most of the hardline terrorist groups. The Saudi royal family then entered into a faustian pact with the hardliners in order to legitimise their continued rule of the kingdom. Using the oil revenues they financed Mosques around the world that turned moderate Muslims in many countries into extremists.
This is the sorry legacy of the dependence of oil. No oil, no money to export the extremism. But sadly now it is too late to put the genie back in the bottle.
I find the whole matter thoroughly depressing.
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Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
I mean when Osama was killed he was in Pakistan. Why hasn’t that country not been included in the list? Boggles the mind
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Mak the intelligence services in Pakistan (the ISI) for years played a double game encouraging the Taliban. Then one day they found they could no longer control the monster they had nurtured. Now they, like the Saudi’s, are reaping the blowback in their own country.
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I think most people forget how instrumental Pakistan was in creating and financing the Taliban
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Along with the Sainted Peanut Farmer, Jimmy of Plains, Georgia! (Carter)
So many horrific foreign policy adventures we associate with the Republicans were actually begun under Carter. It’s a bipartisan horror show.
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Without an end in sight
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The ban is mathematically unsound. When calculating risk you have to look at not just the specific risk (the countries in question), but balance that against other potential risks (internal and external). That’s what’s going to determine if the move has any real value (considering there’s no such thing as zero risk.)
There’s no higher likelihood of attackers from Libya, than say from Morocco- or if we go on historical data, than from American citizens. The Orlando attack was done by a New Yorker. The Paris attacks were mostly by French citizens. The Nice attack was by a non-religious legal French resident who had been born in Tunisia.
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Pink, I think you are asking too much of these fellows. TRump is protecting their country and that’s it.
I see no difference between them and those who believe ken the Ham is right
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To enact a ban on these 7 countries and NOT on Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. is in no way an act of “protecting” anything except tRump’s financial interests with said “non-banned” countries whilst placating the blood-thirsty idiocy of Americans and other right-wing shit-bags who believe this orange, Putin-loving child gives a single fuck about anything but himself. NOTHING and no one has been made “safer” by this action. Not a single terrorist has come from any of the banned countries on this list. tRump can give a shit about America. He’s a traitor, a baby, an idiot, and he’s just magnified the hatred the world feels for America by thousands. The blind fools who say, “Oh, I don’t support or like the Orange, Russian Puppet, but by gosh, ain’t he doin’ a GRAND job?”, are the exact reason why he won; we he is able to behave as he does, and why he will turn my country, if not most of the world, into a war-torn battle field in almost no time at all. His support amongst Christian right-wing nut jobs explains the mentality of those who support his actions quite well: “Strong arm your way through the world and bend it to its knees in front of Jesus, the American flag, and the Great Russian Puppet, ‘Lil Donny tRump.” tRump is a traitor to his country, to humanity, and to anyone who has even the most worn out brain cell functioning in his or her head. No matter how shitty one may think America was before this asshole gained power, this is far worse.
Oh, the good news is, just like Hitler, tRump’s main destruction will be felt here at home the most as he destroys medicare, medicaid, Social Security, and a multitude of other civilized, decent, useful programs that I, and millions of others, have paid into all our lives. You’ll be glad to hear, however, that America’s welfare system for its richest citizens continues, and will continue, unabated as tRump and his Russian-loving assholes ensure the survival of “real” aka rich Americans whilst destroying everyone else. Fuck this asshole, and fuck those who support him. Lock this bastard up and send his supporters to Russia, the traitors fucks. 🙂 $Amen$
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He didn’t ban that country I can’t find on the map where the Boston bombers had ties or came from.
I surely would want to understand the psychology of his supporters.
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Good luck with that, Mak. Let me know if you ever find a coherent answer.
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I will let you know, if we are still alive by then 🙂
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You were right when you mentioned they’re like Ken Ham’s supporters. The only difference is Ken Ham supporters don’t hide behind the, “I don’t support him, but gosh, oh gee, what a great job he’s doing,” horseshit. If you like the fuckin’ guy, grow a pair and say it. It won’t change my opinion that you’re an idjit, but at least you’ll be an honest one. Thing is, many people who support this orange, Russian puppet know he’s disgusting and they’re embarrassed to fully embrace their admiration for him. So, in this regard, Ken Ham has the braver, more honest fans. tRump apologetics
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tRump apologetics, I hear, is a very popular subject among right-wing Christian Evangelicals. Like minds stick together, eh.
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Soon that will be a unit in a divinity University
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It’ll be known as the orange unit and it’ll be in Russian.
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Jesus spoke no Russian, that would be a hard sell to that class of people
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Very true.
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That is indeed true. Ham’s supporters will tell you Genesis is all the knowledge they need all others is secondary
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That reminds me, I’ve not written a Ken Ham post in awhile. Hmmm.
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Please remedy that situation
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Over the years, someone in my household vehemently expressed his dislike for tRump, yet now that he is POTUS, he makes excuses for him or (more often) argues with me when I express what a disaster he is for this country. This is why I said on my blog that until his actions affect individuals personally (like losing the programs you mentioned), they will continue to live in the alternate universe known as Trump-Land.
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Yes, many do. I’ve a family member or two who insist on defending Putin’s puppet. I know far more people who are enraged by him and are taking action. I’m encouraged by that. The stench from this Russian puppet and his “Presidency” are going to stick to those who support him like the smell of rotting fish for decades. The path Putin’s puppet is on is not one that’s going to end well for him, his Russian loving fans, or most of the world.
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And that, Nan, explains apathy towards politics. To most people, if it doesn’t affect directly, there is no problem
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Strong words oh Divine One, but I like them!
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I like my words like I like my coffee, strong and in a cup.
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I wonder if this ban will in any way alleviate the real fear of US citizens being victims of firearm death?
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Well, it hasn’t yet.
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Odd that, don’t you reckon?
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Very. I’m at a total loss to explain it. 🙂
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I am awaiting the day his personal advisers tell him to where face paint, a funny hat and a large plastic red nose for his next global media briefing.
Dressed in such a manner people would at least have a margin of understanding why he behaves as he does.
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I’ve heard that’s how Putin dresses him before he ravages him sexually.
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Hahaha
Jeff, children are still awake
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Hahaha.
I like your thinking
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There is a danger of grizzly bears. You didn’t hear Devos during her senate hearing. It’s terrorists or bears but not guns
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Can we get something out of the way? KIA is as dumb as a box of rocks. He converted from religion to atheism which made everyone think a light was on in there- but we were wrong. It’s time to just admit we were wrong and move on. There are “atheists” who don’t understand scepticism.
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NOT defending KIA, but he’s said MANY times he’s not an atheist. Not sure what he calls himself at the moment.
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Undereducated?
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Haha
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$Amen$
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😀
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Pink be nice.
He is not an atheist yet 🙂
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A very provocative post, my Kenyan brother. I agree with your view, but I think that this particular idiot in question is very unconstitutional in his banning of immigration from certain Islamic countries. To deny them the freedom to come to these shores based on their perceived religious faith flies in the face (and another anatomical feature) of the USA constitution. This stupid reality TV personality should return to the idiot show he hosted and leave the reins of government to the narrow minded imbeciles that we elect. Naked hugs!
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