On authenticity of the bible


Of the 66 books of the bible at least 50 are anonymous works or forgeries. To teach that these books are divine, and to accept them as such, denotes a degree of depravity on the one hand, and an amount of credulity on the other, that are not creditable to a moral and enlightened people. 

Says Remsburg J.

Bunyan on the other hand tells us

Every book of it, every chapter of it, every verse of it, every word of it, is the direct utterance of the most high.

I take sides with Remsburg. 

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

58 thoughts on “On authenticity of the bible

  1. heatherjo86 says:

    The Bible is definitely from Jehovah God himself. It’s full of wonderful hope for the future, practical advice for life’s problems and provides a wealth of knowledge and wisdom. Examples of how people just like us dealt with problems is of great encouragement to me. I have peace in my life, happiness and purpose which are things most people continue to search for with no answers. Here’s an article that breakdown why the Bible is from God.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no3-2017-june/#?insight%5Bsearch_id%5D=f87a4ea4-ae81-455d-80ff-8d584c5501b9&insight%5Bsearch_result_index%5D=5

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    • makagutu says:

      Yes, I have heard that. It has advice on how to deal with your slaves, or how to acquire land. Great practical advice indeed.
      And for the future yes, you may end up in hell.

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    • persedeplume says:

      Hi Heather. I’m curious about some stuff maybe you can clear up for me. The New World Translation of the Bible published in 1961 was edited by “translating committee” none of which knew Biblical Greek or Hebrew. No scholars at all. We know this because Fred Franz, who for many years headed the Society, perjured himself under oath in Scotland in a court trial, by saying he could read Hebrew, and then failed a simple Hebrew test. We also know that top executives of the Society have admitted under oath that they forced their mem­bers to accept false prophecies or face disfellowshipping and be found worthy of death. Given these easily verifiable facts, how can you say reliably that your bible “is from god” and that it’s true?

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      • heatherjo86 says:

        Hello! Thank you for your inquiry. A revised edition of the New World Translation was recently released in 2013 so I no longer utilize the version you’re referring to. However, I used to use that version in my personal study for many years. We are encouraged to not read one version but to compare it with other translations to get the full sense of the scriptures. I generally read the New World Translation and compare it with the American Standard Bible, The Jerusalem Bible, the King James Version and sometimes the Byington. In my years of study I’ve never found any major discrepancies that would alert me to NWT not being from God. Although I am unaware of the history of these men as you’ve outlined, it is safe to assume that they are imperfect. Since imperfect men were used to write the Bible, it’s understood that imperfect men will be the ones to translate it. The most important thing to keep in mind is that Jehovah God is fully aware of anything that brings reproach on His name. If something in these translations is incorrect I have faith that, in time, it will be corrected. It is His will that “all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth” (1 Timothy 2:4 NWT). Nothing can or will prevent Jehovah’s will from being accomplished. So as long as I have the right heart condition, Jehovah will make sure I get all of the spiritual information I need to gain a close relationship with Him. Lastly, I’ve never been forced to accept any false prophesies. A true servant of God could never be forced to accept something they simply don’t believe in. No man on earth has the authority to deem someone “worthy of death”. That is a job assigned to Jesus Christ as the judge.

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        • persedeplume says:

          Thanks for getting back to me, Heather. What I’m hearing you say is a logical contradiction. Now I may be misunderstanding you, so feel free to help me out where you feel you can.

          ” Since imperfect men were used to write the Bible, it’s understood that imperfect men will be the ones to translate it.”
          “If something in these translations is incorrect I have faith that, in time, it will be corrected.”

          You acknowledge that translations could be incorrect. What about all the people who lived and died by a previous translation? For them, this was “the word of god” yet it was incorrect. I don’t understand how a holy text can be relied on as an authority if it contains errors. I know that if I use a medical textbook for the knowledge to perform brain surgery that the procedures in it must be 100% reliable or the patients will die or be damaged in some way.

          Also, I’d like to know what you’d call a major discrepancy. For instance, Joshua 10:13 is found in the latest version of NWT and in other versions of the bible as well. It’s the well known story of the sun and moon not moving in the sky for a whole day. We know from our studies and observations of the universe that this could not have happened. The Earth didn’t stop revolving, nor did the sun or the moon. They have been in motion since they formed. To say otherwise flies in the face of reason. That is one of many examples I can provide where the bible makes truth statements about things in the natural world that are demonstrably false.

          How many errors can we forgive or hope that new revelations will come to correct what should have been inerrant to begin with in order to be believed as true? It’s hard for me to get my head around.

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          • heatherjo86 says:

            When I said “major discrepancies” I was referring to the differences in translations. When you compare one translation with another the wording may be different but the basic premise or line of thought is the same. It seems to me you’re questioning the accuracy and authenticity of the Bible as a whole no matter which translation is used.

            Let me use your illustration if I may. We know that medical textbooks are revised every few years. If we look back at a textbook explaining how the brain works from 20 years ago and compare it to more recent textbooks with up to date data and recent findings, you’ll surely find that what we thought was accurate has now been proven otherwise. I personally don’t believe there are any errors in the scriptures, but if there are, unbeknownst to me, I have faith that God will correct it. The perception of inaccuracies may stem from a lack of understanding. Another thing to keep in mind is that what we perceive as accurate is based on the current information available to us at that particular time. At one point in time “bleeding” was a procedure that was perceived to heal ailments, come to find out that procedure probably killed more people than it saved. At that time, we didn’t realize just how important blood counts were or how important it is to sterilize medical equipment. Proverbs 4:18 says that “the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.” This means that our understanding and grasp of spiritual things will not be achieved all of a sudden, but gradually. Think of Christ’s disciples. They didn’t understand a lot of Jesus teachings at first. At John 16:12 Jesus told his disciples that he still had many things to teach them but they were not “able to bear them now”, meaning they were either unable to understand it fully at that time or just weren’t ready to hear it.

            The scripture at Joshua 10:13 is explaining an event that seems impossible. But who am I to question the power of God? If he created the heavens and earth, the sun, moon and stars, can’t He cause certain things to happen that change how these creations operate? Keep in mind that Joshua wrote these things down and based them on what he saw. It may have appeared to him that the sun never moved, but God could have used a method of reflection on the still spinning earth for the sun’s rays to appear to have not moved. We don’t know all of the details of this miracle and the details really aren’t important in the grand scheme of things. Miracles are unexplained phenomenon. Did God part the Red Sea? how did he turn an entire ocean into blood? how did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? These are all miracles recorded in the scriptures. As a person with free will, you have every right to believe these miracles happened or not.

            Lastly, Job 37:23 mentions that the Almighty is beyond our understanding. We will never understand everything there is to know about how or why Jehovah does certain things. But the Bible can answer a lot of the questions people have about everyday problems. For instance, what happens to us when we die? Why is there so much suffering in the world? And what hope is there in the future. I hope this has been helpful.

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  2. persedeplume says:

    Thanks again Heather.

    “you’re questioning the accuracy and authenticity of the Bible as a whole no matter which translation is used.”

    How else am I to determine if something is true or not? Based on your answers, there’s no way of justifying a belief. It’s all a mystery we’ll someday understand if we’re fortunate. That leaves me with my original point that in spite of all the extemporization, some people can claim the bible is god’s word and it’s true without having the benefit of any way to confirm it is.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far you haven’t provided any. Referring to the claim isn’t evidence.

    Anyway, thanks for taking the time to chat, do have a wonderful day.

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