Monday reads

Concern about sexualization of children misses the point

Mark Greif has something about this. As I wrote a while back he argues

the sex revolution of the 60s and 70s did not liberate sex but led to a liberalization of sex. He argues we will be able to talk about sex liberation only when it is thought of as we would a coffee date. On the subject of pedophilia he asks why the allure in youth when all the adults who engage in it were once youth?

His book Against Everything is quite a good read

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

10 thoughts on “Monday reads

  1. Carmen says:

    Couldn’t access the article, Mak. I think one needs an App(?)

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    • makagutu says:

      Let me see if I can get it elsewhere.


      • Carmen says:

        Was able to access that one, Mak. Thanks. I like The Economist; my daughter has a subscription and I read it cover to cover when I’m there. 🙂
        There’s a lot in that article. First of all, I am in 100% agreement that education is the key (I mean, why wouldn’t I? I’m a teacher and have taught Health – including sex education – for years) You may or may not know, but there’s a famous case of a young woman being harassed b/c of online sharing of her intimate photos; it became serious enough that she committed suicide — it happened in Nova Scotia. Since then, the emphasis in schools across Canada has been on the issue of consent , which is an extremely important message. Education, however, can only go so far. I think the author of the article is right, that – bottom line – the broader issue is that of how women are treated in society. As much as we talk about it, some things just don’t improve. I’m sure Kate (roughseas) would have had much more to say about this topic, and far more eloquently.

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        • makagutu says:

          There is a work I was reading not so long ago that argues that the creation of a class called children is also problematic. She argues the liberation of women must include the liberation of children. You see this in common usage, people will say women and children. They are treated as belonging to the same class.

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          • rautakyy says:

            The “elephant in the corner” here is commercialism. There is this widespread idea, that markets only react to what people want and provide to these needs and desires, but in reality markets also form us, and what is on offer shapes us and our expectations. As whith religions, “get them while they are young”, sort of logic formulates new generations into consumers. Not citizens, because we do not live in citizen run societies, but in market run societies. It is better than any dictatorship yes, but it still is crappy. For us and the nature around us.

            Take Donald Trump. He is a perfect example of a man whose motives are from the markets and he even expresses this gladly. His followers think this is a good thing, but it also means, that as a rich man he can AFFORD to buy… No, marry a woman who by age could be his daughter. Yes, I know they were both consenting adults, but what do you think in Donald appealed to Melania? I mean, it must be true love, when a young beautiful woman falls for a rich fat ugly egocentric moron. Or is it that the society is so insecure for a woman, that they feel they are in need to get protection from rich dudes?

            When I was a kid, the toy department – at least here in Finland – in a supermarket was not divided into girls and boys sections, as it is today. In the girls section everything is wrapped in pink! Legos and toycars can be found from the boys section. It may seem trivial, but it is sending an awfull strong message to the children whose identities have not yet formed.

            Not only do the markets thus – in continuation of a sickly trend throughout ignorant human history – provide us with an image of women as objects, but indeed divide us into classes and of consumer groups. The result, younger and younger children feel a pressure to belong to a group, be it a gender identity, or some other social class. Countless adults take loans they are not sure if they can ever repay to pay for a lifestyle matching at least in some minor way the one presented to us in commercials.

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            • Carmen says:

              Glad you dropped by, Rautakyy!!
              Yes, I agree with you on that – we certainly are influenced by the material world we live in; it shapes our children’s preferences. In an effort to curtail that, two of our three children have decided not to have TV’s in their houses. Both will let the kids watch movies on the computer but not endless TV shows with ads aimed at getting children to bug their parents for the newest ‘hot’ item. .. it’s amazing how fast they pick up the newest trends anyway, from their friends at school. I hear our daughters and daughter-in-law talking quite often about issues that arise in their lives. Here’s one that happened the other day – a bag of hand-me-downs from another family arrived. One of the things included was a pair of ‘dress-up’ high heel shoes, made to fit the 7-year-old. There was a bit of back and forth, as the granddaughter wanted the shoes, but finally her mother said, “Feminists don’t wear high heels!” And into the garbage the heels went. :).


            • makagutu says:

              You are right to call it the elephant in the room. And even without going to differentiation of toys, there is a market called child market that makes movies, toys books and all to further this differentiation while exploiting parents.


  2. renudepride says:

    Same problem here, my Kenyan brother! 😦


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