The great agnostic


On atheists and agnostics had this to say

The agnostic is an atheist. The atheist is an agnostic. The agnostic says; ‘i do not know but I do not believe there is any god. The atheist says the same. The orthodox Christian says he knows there is a god: but we know that he does not know. The atheist (too) cannot know that god does not exist.

I think this settles the matter.

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36 thoughts on “The great agnostic

  1. john zande says:

    I like, although it only really applies to some detached deistic/pantheistic notion of god. The moment the theist starts to name qualities and traits then *that* god can be proven not to exist quite easily.

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  2. Eric Alagan says:

    Whatever we believe is right for us. In future we might recognise a greater right.

    It does not mean we were wrong before and are right now. All it means is, the future always holds a greater right.

    And that might be something we already know and discarded before, in our quest for to find “right”.

    And just when we got that figured out – in steps left 🙂

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  3. Swarn Gill says:

    This is pretty good. I always liked Michael Shermer’s distinction between atheism and agnosticism. That atheism is a behavioral position and agnosticism is an intellectual position.

    I do not know there is a god (thus I’m agnostic intellectually). I live my life as if there is no God (thus I’m an atheist). All atheists should be agnostic intellectually, and yes as JZ says this tends to be only an impersonal God, and once you start trying to assert the nature of the God you believe in, these can be disproven pretty easily.

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  4. renudepride says:

    Agreed. Naked hugs!

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  5. It should settle the matter, but will it?

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  6. Good points. Matt Dillahunty says something like, ” I don’t know whether or not a god or gods exist. I do not believe so. I just know that not a bloody thing anyone has ever argued proves they do.”

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  7. shelldigger says:

    I like this right up to the last sentence. While the atheist may not know that god does not exist 100%, I do believe that it certainly has yet been shown that they do. Not even close. So not even close Id put the odds so far into the realm of unlikely, that I am comfortable there.

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    • makagutu says:

      i agree with him simply because i want the theist to tell me what god is, first, then we can have a discussion

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      • sibyltowers says:

        I thought I might as well add something here.
        According to my SPIRIT GUIDE, god means a spirit’s ID mind when separated from an Earth-suit’s psychotic egos.
        There are spirit gods/minds and Spirit Gods/Minds and SPIRIT GODS/MINDS and the one surviving Almighty GOD & OMNIPOTENT COMPUTERIZED COSMOS & GALAXIES.

        Sibyl X

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        • makagutu says:

          A human mind can believe anything it sets it mind on. I see you have left the sphere of reasonable to the sphere of irrational, that is, delusional

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          • sibyltowers says:

            It is a fact that your mother gave birth to you.
            It is a fact that your father’s sperm provided you with his DNA.
            It is a fact that Scientists know that many of the elements that make up the human body were forged in supernova.
            It is a fact that nobody could prove immortality while in a mortal body.
            It is a fact that Scientists know that we are on the outskirts of our Milky Way Galaxy.
            It is a fact that we breath in the COSMOS’S sparky static electricity air.
            ( Every step we take, every move we make etc. as well as watching over us.)
            It is a fact that Scientists know that a mysterious star is gathering information about us and find it easier to believe it’s aliens than admit DEFEAT.

            Sibyl X

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            • makagutu says:

              It is a fact that Scientists know that a mysterious star is gathering information about us and find it easier to believe it’s aliens than admit DEFEAT Citation required

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              • I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

                Quran 8:12

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              • sibyltowers says:

                I watched a Horizon program on BBC2 16.05.17 called ‘Strange Signals From Outer Space!’
                I quote the TV blurb.
                Documentary about Scientists and their search for extra-terrestrial life, such as husband-and-wife team Duncan Lorimer and Maura McLaughlin, who discovered a signal from space known as a fast radio burst, and researchers at the Green Bank Telescope searching for radio signals from a star so mysterious some believe it could be a vast energy collector built by advanced aliens.
                Sibyl X

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  8. maryplumbago says:

    An atheist says there is no god. An agnostic says there’s probably no god but perhaps the slight possibility of a god with unknown qualities and certainly not the biblical variety. At least that’s my interpretation.

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    • makagutu says:

      Many atheists avoid to take this stand afraid they would be asked to demonstrate their claim about the being of no god. And I have seen theists ask whether the atheist searched under all the rocks and planets to come to this conclusion. The other immediate problem is to define what one means when they say there is no god. For the assumption is one knows what god is

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  9. sibyltowers says:

    You don’t have to be a christian to know there is a surviving Cosmic Son GOD.
    Atheists/agnostics or not, who or what do you think you might have been before Ragnarok, ‘The BIG BANG’ and new beginnings’ ‘Genesis’, on this Planet of Darwinian Apes?
    There’s plenty of proof that should interest serious agnostics, who, I suspect, haven’t Inherited empathy’s blind-Faith affinity genes, but still have an interest in discussing the subject.
    It’s not a topic real atheists are interested in.
    I’m not Religious, an academic, a bigot, or an atheist.
    But I am a Modern-day Sibyl on Life Science Revelations.

    Sibyl X

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