where Germany has set a bad example for the rest of the world


The Archbishop of Kampala, borrowing a leaf from Germany’s church tax, wants the Ugandan government to deduct 10% tithe from salaried employees who are members of the church and forward it to the church.

The good bishop had this to say

“Whenever we ask for tithe, everyone gives only what they have at that time. But the Bible says a tenth of whatever you earn belongs to the church,”

This is such a busy Monday!

Happy week everyone.

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32 thoughts on “where Germany has set a bad example for the rest of the world

  1. jim- says:

    Enact this worldwide—Please…. “Those who do not want to pay the tax can leave the church by making an official declaration stating they are leaving the faith and millions have left the catholic church because of it. this should be a worldwide/churchwide policy. Billions would leave the churches! Do it!!

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  2. I’m a little confused. How could the Bible refer to “the church” when it was supposedly written before Christianity became a religious institution? I don’t remember seeing any such reference when I read the Bible in Catholic school. Am I wrong?

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  3. Eric Alagan says:

    And the faithful shall be judged by how much coin ye gives unto the already fabulously wealthy church.

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  4. renudepride says:

    I am assuming the Archbishop of Kampala is Roman Catholic as opposed to Anglican. The Germans also instituted a system of concentration camps to remove “undesireables” from the general population. Does the esteemed Archbishop of Kampala intend to support this type of initiative? How about taxing the church at a rate of 25% for the criminal abuse of youth at the hands (and other body parts) of the clergy? Does our greedy prelate support that proposal? Naked hugs!

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  5. All governments need to tax all churches at 25% and give the money to the poor and homeless. Now that, I’d like to see!

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    • makagutu says:

      This is something I would get behind very fast

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    • Barry says:

      Is that tax on earnings or profit? I don’t know what it’s like in other parts of the world, but here in Aotearoa New Zealand, Churches are not automatically exempt from taxation. To register as a charity they must show an objective benefit to a sufficient section of the general public and the purpose and benefit in question is charitable based on case law. It’s required that 100% of any profit must be spent on charitable purposes.

      They are also taxed 15% GST on all expenditure just like any other person or organisation.

      All charities are required to provide a set of approved accounts annually and also satisfy the Inland Revenue Department that their income and expenditure are 100% for charitable purposes.

      As for being rich. In the last year the religious society I call home had a total income was $11,000 while its expenditure was $8,000. In the previous year it had an income of $8,000 and an expenditure of $16,000. Hardly likely to get rich on that is it?

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      • “Churches are not automatically exempt from taxation.” Not in the ole US of A. Totally exempt, as are hospitals owned by say, the Catholic Church, parking lots in Down Town Chicago, and other cities in the country, owned by said Church, and acres upon acres of land owned by them throughout the country. And that’s just here. I worked for the Archdiocese of Chicago for decades–they don’t pay a stinky dime in taxes. The make billions, the Catholic Church does, on their hospitals and pay 0 tax dollars on the property they sit on or on the business itself. Sorry. WRONG! It’s sickening. Tax the buggers, literal, they’re buggers, just ask a small child who’s been buggered by a priest, and use the money to aid the poor and homeless. It’s what Jesus would do, right? Ain’t NOTHING poor about churches here. Nothing.

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        • Barry says:

          I live in a country that has been a “welfare state” since the 1930s, and it was the churches that were in the forefront of bringing it about, as they recognised they did not have the resources necessary to do the job adequately.

          Again, I don’t know how tax laws in the US work. Here income is taxed on persons only. Companies pay tax, not on income, but on distributed profit. Retained profit is not taxed. What would prevent a church becoming a company, paying its directors and staff exorbitant salaries and retaining all its profit and so pay zero tax? If they structure themselves so they don’t make much in “sales”, they could end up with a negative GST bill which means the IRD (Inland Revenue Department) would be paying them! (GST is paid or reimbursed monthly or every second month)

          At least as a charity, their income must go to charitable causes that are recognised as such under case law. Excessive salaries would cause them them to loose their charitable status.

          In this country it’s not the churches that fleece the nation but businesses that operate off-shore, pay absolutely no taxes, contribute nothing to the economy and have an unfair tax advantage over NZ businesses. All NZ businesses must collect 15% GST on all sales of goods and services which is paid to the IRD. However a foreign business can sell into NZ and not pay GST as the government has no way of enforcing the tax on them. Then when sales get big enough, they can set up a distribution centre here to warehouse their goods for distribution within NZ. Let’s see: They pay no GST as customers make their purchases from the parent company overseas. The goods are distributed from the NZ warehouse. The company makes no profit in NZ. Even if the company sets up a NZ subsidiary, that subsidiary pays no taxes as it makes no sales, and in fact is a cost centre “subsidised” by the parent company to keep operating. And if the subsidiary is registered for GST, but makes little or no sales itself, then any GST it pays for goods and services purchased within NZ is refundable.

          So the government looses out on a substantial amount of revenue, and local businesses are at a distinct disadvantage as they must pay GST and tax on distributed profits.

          Unfortunately most people only take price and perhaps quality into consideration when making a purchase. Few purchase ethically. People complain when a clothing factory closes its doors or a retailer goes out of business, while at the same time buying a sweater made in a foreign sweatshop from a foreign off-shore mail-order business that contributes absolutely nothing to the local economy, and pays no NZ taxes.

          I understand your plight. I read somewhere that around 30% of Americans are Christian fundamentalists. That’s an awfully large block to fight against. Here it’s around 2% (based on 5% of Christians being fundamentalists and 40% of the population being Christian), so their influence is considerably less.

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          • makagutu says:

            There’s something you have said here that is quite important. It happens here too. People are complaining about poverty and unemployment and you find we are the same people killing local businesses by importing cheap stuff, especially from China and this includes building materials and sometimes even the labour.

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  6. basenjibrian says:

    That is the dilemma though. On one hand, millions have been lifted (at great cost) out of rural abject poverty in China through the increasing dominance of Chinese manufacturing. And wages have risen in China.

    Is “autarky”, where countries import very little the answer? Countries like Argentina, which lurches from one economic crisis to another, seem to belie that goal. Let alone North Korea and old school Albania, which very vigorously protected “their” jobs.

    Don’t know the answer. It seems like the filtering of lower skilled jobs will inevitably flow to low wage countries, and I am not sure Trump style trade barriers will result in a more prosperous economy for anyone. Yet one cannot deny that entire regions have been crashed by low wage competition.

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