39 thoughts on “To build a wall or not?”

  1. jim- says:
    January 23, 2019 at 20:47

    I don’t want a wall. I also know eventually there is not enough space for everyone to live here. All the fixes are short term. We have to help people where they live, somehow. But, the money we send never reaches the people that need it most. This is worth 10 minutes of your time

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    • makagutu says:
      January 24, 2019 at 08:37

      Having listened to him, I am not sure where he gets the idea that everyone want to immigrate to the US. I think he has created a straw man which he has successfully defeated.
      Arguments have been made to the effect that Africa does not need aid. And not just because some of this money does not reach the people most vulnerable but because it is not a fix.
      I have said elsewhere, that free trade, better trade agreements, fair wages everywhere, especially in the sweatshops owned by multi-nationals, reducing armed conflict, addressing famine and climate related emergencies are some of the hard policy decisions to be made.

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  2. David K says:
    January 23, 2019 at 21:39

    I’m mixed but mostly against it. Obviously there are manned border crossings/entry ways at the Mexico and Canadian borders to ensure people are coming in and out of the country legally… but there are so many areas where you can cross the border illegally. You simply cannot put up a wall across the entire US- Logistically it is impossible in some areas.

    Money has been put towards the wall/border security in years past so I don’t see it as an issue if the money continues to be put towards a wall but going from 1.3b to 5.7b is a huge increase. What exactly is the plan? Just putting up a wall is not going to stop people from illegally entering the country or overstaying their visas!. A wall isn’t going to stop someone from taking a flotilla from Cuba to Florida. Or from someone crossing from Canada, or from flying in from anywhere.

    If this is what the Government wants, they need to work on a comprehensive plan. You can’t build “a bridge to nowhere” 🙂 and at 5.7b, the wall is not going to be build in a day, it is probably best, if they plan to go forward, to budget like the rest of us.

    Our country use to be a creditor nation, we are now a nation of debt. We can’t keep spending.

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    • makagutu says:
      January 24, 2019 at 08:27

      We have a border wall or it is the process, between us and Somalia. How effective it is in stopping immigration from Somalia to Kenya is anyone’s guess.
      Your concern seem to be that the jump in terms of costs is a bit high and not whether the wall is effective as a measure, do i get you right?

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  3. inspiredbythedivine1 says:
    January 23, 2019 at 22:45

    To hell with a wall! That’s no answer! My answer is better! Gas chambers and crematoriums for the poor, the disabled, and illegal immigrants coming in from the southern border. This is a simple, humane, and economically viable solution to the “problem” caused by the poor, the disabled, and illegal immigrants in America. Gas ’em; cremate ’em, and use their ashes for fertilizer. This will save trillions in unnecessary taxes and free up space in America for real, non-lazy, LEGAL citizens like me and other Americans like me. I’m running for the Senate in 2020 on this platform and already have multiple backers helping me. I’ll win, and America will be free again. God bless America. God bless freedom, and God bless Christians across America because THEY are the ONLY reason this country is as great as it is. $Amen$ Vote IBTD1 in 2020

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  4. renudepride says:
    January 23, 2019 at 22:52

    There is one well-known fact about walls. It definitely makes everyone curious as to exactly *what* is on the other side that makes people want to keep others out. Naked hugs!

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  5. Robert A. Vella says:
    January 23, 2019 at 23:31

    “Fixed fortifications are monuments to man’s stupidity.” – General George S. Patton Jr. after seeing France’s very expensive Maginot Line which was completely ineffective in stopping an invasion by Nazi Germany in 1940 which simply went around it.

    “I’m from China. So I know a lot about walls. They don’t work.” – comedian Joe Wong.

    “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” – President Ronald Reagan.

    Travel all throughout Europe and the Middle East and you’ll see hundreds and thousands of walls or what’s left of them. How many of them were successful in repelling invasions? Very few if any.

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  6. Esme upon the Cloud says:
    January 24, 2019 at 01:51

    I think this article says it all

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/donald-trump-2016-wall-wont-work-214167

    – Esme waving at mak upon the Cloud

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    • makagutu says:
      January 24, 2019 at 08:21

      This

      Put simply, walls do not work as permanent solutions to tough problems. Which is why, ultimately, they fall.

      and many more like it say the real thing no one is addressing. It’s like the wall is a burying the head in the sand in the hope the problem will go away

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  7. shelldigger says:
    January 24, 2019 at 14:36

    I’m not even sure tRump wants a wall. I think he wants the fight. The constant jibber jabber, the talking heads on the boob tube, the mentioning of his name 1000 times a day. He thrives in controversies that would swallow up normal people. How he has gotten this far is beyond me.

    …we need a wall like we need another orange orangatan. No offense to real orangatans.

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  8. judyt54 says:
    January 24, 2019 at 16:33

    Walls work both ways, walling in and walling out. It’s a control gesture, as much as anything. If this succeeds, what’s next? Canada?

    It’s also a deliberate attempt to build fear into it–mention the drug dealers, the criminals, the axe murderers, and everyone automatically locks their doors. Foreigners, they say. You can’t trust ’em.

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  9. inspiredbythedivine1 says:
    January 24, 2019 at 17:17

    Grand idea!

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