right of reply

In this article, Adipo says of atheists

The atheist traveller on the hand contrary argues he knows there exists no such bridge and challenges the theist traveller to prove otherwise.

and while i don’t claim to speak for all atheists, I can say without fear of contradiction that most atheists would argue they have no belief in the existence of god(s) but would generally revise their belief should evidence be made available. The above does not equate to saying no gods exists, which is  the point Adipo is making in his argument. It can actually be argued that agnostics live their life with the belief that sufficient evidence for gods have not been proven, that is, like atheists.

And while he seems to avoid discussing the gods, he seems to me, in his final comment to make a species of the gods, creator gods, irrelevant. He says

Space and time are both metaphysical and infinite – beyond anyone’s cause.

and I don’t disagree. This position puts paid the argument of a god living out of space and time.

And I think there are good reasons to mock religion.

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As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

53 thoughts on “right of reply

  1. shelldigger says:

    …and I would suggest the theist traveller prove otherwise. 🙂 As you mention, if they could prove otherwise, most of us would reconsider our position. The baseless claims to date have been an offense to reason.

    I must have an atheist chicken. It says mock mock mock mock….mock mock mock mock mock. I know, It’s too early for a stupid joke 😉

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  2. jim- says:

    Great share on the article Mak. It is my moral duty to call the bluff. Making fun of religion is almost too easy to be fun.

    Liked by 1 person

  3. grsjr says:

    2 things which mitigate an atheistic disavowal:
    1. A physical world (i.e., space and time) is not evidence of there being no God. A causal is missing.
    2. Just as an FYI – not intending to be affirming – but, the phrasal ‘This position puts paid . . . ‘ is figurative, metaphorical. The word ‘put’ is also the name of a Biblical person; Just as ‘puts paid’ is figurative rather than literal, a Biblical ‘put’ as person rather than verb evidences a possible remnant of God having confused mankind’s language. Genesis 11:1-9
    In other words, the physical is known, but so too ‘known’ is the ‘unknown’.


    • makagutu says:

      Wow, you really believe that story in Genesis explains the different dialects we have? What next? Talking asses and walking snakes?
      It seems you didn’t read what I wrote: there is a belief in a god who created time and space. This variety of god cannot exist if time and space are infinite and without a creator. What causal you claim to be missing I don’t know.


      • “…but so too ‘known’ is the ‘unknown.” MIC drop! Best argument EVER!!! Right? We can “know” the “unknown” yet still claim to not really “know” it! Did someone say, “Inerrant argument?” I mean, COME ON!!! Brilliant! We “know” the “unknown” through…faith? Magic? Wishful thinking? Naw. Here’s a fact: “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.”
        Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

        Now, THIS is what’s KNOWN!! The Quran CAN NOT be doubted. It says so RIGHT IN THE BOOK!!! Thus, all other faiths, including Christianity, are B.S.! I KNOW this! It’s WRITTEN IN THE GOD DAMNED BOOK!!! There is no “unknown known.” Islam is real. The Quran says so. Islam is all that’s needed. All else is lies. Allahu Akbar


    • Swarn Gill says:

      Wait metaphors are now proof of God? lol Please. lol

      Who is making the claim that the physical world is evidence of there being no God? That is not the atheist’s argument. Also we don’t know if a causal is missing. The first cause argument is full of logical flaws.


    • shelldigger says:

      A causal is missing? Says who? You know there is another option, there is no need for cause. Sometimes shit happens and we get a universe.

      Just because you have some inherent need for a cause doesn’t necessarily mean the rest of us do. A cause in this case is what the typical YEC needs to make their silly argument from design. We ain’t buying it.

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    • jim- says:

      Apologetics 101: Handwave content and context and criticize writing style. Nice try


    • why would a supposedly omnipotent god be so scared of humans that it needs to confuse language to protect itself. What a pathetic god you have.


  4. renudepride says:

    If I can no longer upset the believers, then what is my purpose in living? Poof! I am nothing! 🙂 Naked hugs!


  5. grsjr says:

    All of you are too damn dumb.


    • makagutu says:

      coming from a person who takes genesis literally, this is quite rich


      • shelldigger says:

        I guess someone thinks we haven’t already devoted many, many, years now, giving religion a chance to prove its case. Years of brushing up on our science, philosophy, fallacies illogical, and indeed even their own magic books.

        The evidence isn’t there. It always comes down to, “you just gotta believe.” Some of us just arent wired up that way. Some of us fall for it for decades then see religion for the horseshit it really is, and some of us can’t get through life without an imaginary friend who really really loves them, but will send them to hell to burn for an eternity if they fuck up.

        Yeah, we are the dumb ones…


    • ah, so since we disagree with your nonsense, you whine that we are “dumb”. Considering that Christians don’t agree, exactly who might the ignorant people be here then, if you cannot even convince each other?


      • Excellent comment. This is why I believe this: “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.”
        Quran 3:19
        All Christians, Jews, etc are atheists in God’s eyes for they worship lies and blasphemes. All discussion on religion has been made mute by the Quran. ” If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.”
        Quran 2:23-4
        Nothing is unknown when it comes to God. All truth is revealed in the Quran. There is no arguing with such an inerrant book. Allahu Akbar 😀

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    • basenjibrian says:

      Wow. I am now convinced by the profundity of this comment. It is even more profound than the arble garble bargle margle you previously posted.

      Can I join your crusade? There are some HEATHENS that need to be tortured and killed!


  6. theists seem to need to create strawmen atheists, aka lie about atheists, since they will fail with the real ones.


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