In the Abrahamic religions.
How many of you became converted to your various beliefs after reading Anselm’s Ontological argument or were persuaded to the belief because of Paley’s teleological argument?
How do we make the jump from argument to the being of a god?
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I wonder how many takers you will get for this?
Perhaps you should consider posting the question on a few Christian blogs and see the response?
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Can you share with those friends of yours 🙈
How are you my good man?
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The religious ones? They all moderate me, you should know that! 🙂
All good and well this fine and sunny Jo’burg afternoon.
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It’s a cool afternoon in MSA. Breezy, windy and all good.
You have succeeded in annoying all your religious friends. They should give you a trophy of sorts
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I became a devout Muslim when I read these words in the Koran: “This book is not to be doubted.” I mean, COME ON!!!! If that ain’t a mic drop then i don’t know what is! Who in the hell could argue against THAT????!!! No one with a functioning brain–that’s for certain!
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So the arguments for god have no currency with your current belief? Or do you now use these other arguments to buttress the Koran?
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I have a book: The Koran. It says it is not to be doubted. There is NO argument. Why, oh, why would a book lie or seek to mislead its reader? Really, think about it. Why would it say, “This book is not to be doubted,” if everything in it were not true? I mean, DUH!!
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It is good to have a book. I also need a book
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I know, right. Cause who’d EVER question what’s in a book. 🙂
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Especially a book that says it should not be doubted
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MY book is MISSION: EARTH. your puny “Koran” is one silly little missive full of obey me or else just so statements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Earth_(novel_series)
MINE is ten volumes. It lays the groundwork for the amazing investigation of the TRUTH about the universe. Allah? Pshaw! My God is a trillion year old space dictator whose spirit has contaminated us all” PRAISE L. RON!
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Any book that comes in more than one volume is not the Book
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For me it’s the magic crystals and tarot cards that prove to me there is a god. How does that stuff work, without some super genius, all powerful and righteous creator behind the curtain? BTW, tarot and crystal are more accurate than any abrahamic religious dogma. Just be wary of the evil spirits—that can turn you into a bible verse
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So it is not the argument for goodness that got you believing?
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What got me believing was a carefully guided childhood, and withheld or selective information I was allowed to see. I was twenty years old before I was exposed to anything atheist. I also learned science from a Christian view and was warned about the tragedy that awaits the unfaithful.
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Indeed without this careful teaching and instruction, it is unlikely you would adopt a religion or take it so seriously
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Without the introduction a god would have never crossed my mind. I was a tabula rasa.
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I don’t know who said it that without indoctrination, religion would die naturally
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It was probably Zande
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Jesus.
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You must be right
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As a former believer, back when I believed it was because the people I trusted told me it was true. They told me which book was the correct one and which preachers to listen to. I grew up with everyone around me agreeing that it was true. By the time I was mature enough to need apologetics to rationalize belief, it was too late, I was already well on my way out.
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This looks like almost what happened to me, except, I got to read apologetics only after I had left and they came inadequate
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Funny, I always thought that the severity of a brisk wind blew folks into the belief in a deity. Now you say they jumped. What is this world entering here, a magic show? 🙂 Naked hugs, my Kenyan brother!
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I would say the chances are VERY good that most believers have never heard of either of those arguments. I mean, c’mon! It’s the Good Book and only the Good Book. All else is from the big D.
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There is a very good chance you are right. I got acquainted with such arguments after I left the church.
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I “joined” the Catholic Church and parochial school as a young child for just one simple reason… my mother grabbed me by my earlobe and dragged me there. In the classroom, the nuns reinforced my “faith” with a snap of a pinewood pointer onto the back of my swollen hand.
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It appears the effort expended in giving you religion wasn’t very effective
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True, but it was very effective for inflicting pain.
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According to “Saint” Mother Teresa, (and Zande) “pain” is a glorious song to Gawd. So you were “worshipping” The Owner of All Infernal Names despite your petulance!
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I worshiped no one. I went through the motions only because it was forced upon me. Children don’t choose the circumstances in which they are born.
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And most parents think giving children religion is doing them a good, so you are force fed religion the same way the do with food
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I prefer Thomas Aquinas’ philosophy that God is incomprehensible, therefore all attempts to argue his existence are futile.
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Taken to its logical conclusion, talk of gods is illogical
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