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what is our purpose?


Well, according to George Carlin, the earth wanted plastic didn’t know how to make it. What does it do? It evolves man to make plastic.

In short, our purpose was to make plastic (they say it is non biodegradable) and then die out. So don’t worry my friends, we all gonna die, sooner or later and the earth and universe will not miss us. It is just the way things are.

About makagutu

As Onyango Makagutu I am Kenyan, as far as I am a man, I am a citizen of the world

40 thoughts on “what is our purpose?”

  1. atheistsmeow >(^-^)< says:
    August 30, 2019 at 08:11

    Love Mr. Carlin!

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  2. Veracious Poet says:
    August 30, 2019 at 09:26

    If “the earth” wanted us all dead, it’s easier for it to eliminate all of us by simply starving us of oxygen for only a few minutes. Nature is intelligent not dumb. Science often solves its own problems and some of its problems it cannot.

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    • makagutu says:
      August 30, 2019 at 09:32

      Nature is indifferent to whether we are or are not. The cycle of life continues

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      • Veracious Poet says:
        August 30, 2019 at 10:00

        Nature is life.

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        • Swarn Gill says:
          August 31, 2019 at 21:12

          Tell that to nature on Saturn. Life is by all accounts of our observations of the universe a very small portion of nature.

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          • Veracious Poet says:
            August 31, 2019 at 21:58

            It depends on your definition of “nature” and “life.” One is basis for another. The wordweb dictionary defines nature as:
            (1) A causal agent creating and controlling things in the [entire] universe.
            (2) The natural physical world including plants, animals etc. [as exists on bearth].
            It looks like you limited yourself to (2).

            Secondly, we don’t know everything about the universe. Life on earth may have emerged in only one of many forms, across the universe.

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            • Swarn Gill says:
              September 2, 2019 at 15:31

              Not limiting myself at all. On Earth organic material is less than 0.0000002%. In the solar system even less than that given 95% of the mass of this solar system is the Sun which is inorganic. And this would be true for every solar system, even if somehow all the planets were teeming with life. Obviously yes the conditions here on Earth have been conducive to life, but nature in many more places is not conducive to such conditions even when we just look at places where there is something. Most of the universe of course is space which is even less conducive. And while it’s true there is so much more to learn about the universe there is no basis for making such a statement that nature is life. In an indifferent universe where the conditions for life are rare at best, we can marvel at life where it happens to be, but nature is just nature, and life seems to be quite extraordinary within the context of nature.

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              • Veracious Poet says:
                September 2, 2019 at 16:47

                The universe is not static and information of extraterristrial events is at best A THEORY – including the so called Big Bang. Consider the universe a bungee with inorganic and organic at opposite ends. What we know as life [on earth] is the result of several sequence of events from inorganic to organic and to me, all comprise nature [a causal agent].

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                • Swarn Gill says:
                  September 3, 2019 at 01:19

                  Sorry…really not interesting with anybody who doesn’t know what a theory actually is. If you want to wallow in pseudo scientific nonsense and metaphor, while denying what science actually knows about the universe, that’s fine. But your feelings about what is true does not make it so.

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                  • Veracious Poet says:
                    September 3, 2019 at 06:01

                    What I said is not pseudoscientific. All facts are subject to interpretations and if you don’t understand something don’t rubbish it. I repeat: Knowledge of the universe is and will forever remain incomplete and inconclusive and therefore a falsifiable theory. It is when you’re so sure of other people’s theories (when in fact the theorists themselves are not sure), it is at this point that you have to check your sanity.

                    It’s too early in the morning and I don’t time to argue.

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      • basenjibrian says:
        August 31, 2019 at 02:44

        Nature is not sensitive or sentient. It cannot “care”. It just is. The value of nature is what we assign to it as a culture or ourselves.

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  3. renudepride says:
    August 30, 2019 at 17:19

    And the very best part of the philosophy is: once we’re dead, we no longer even care what does or does not happen next! Naked hugs! 🙂

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  4. inspiredbythedivine1 says:
    August 30, 2019 at 20:48

    Love this guy.

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  5. Hariod Brawn says:
    August 30, 2019 at 23:43

    Well fuck it then . . .

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  6. basenjibrian says:
    August 31, 2019 at 02:43

    It is pretty…fatalistic. But one could take this philosophy as “permission” to pillage and burn and extract to our heart’s content. Ultimately, there is no ultimate value to “nature” anyway. Only what we as human beings assign to it culturally. And the eco-sensitive “western” value set is definitely not shared by a lot of people. people who rule this world, sadly. A Bolsonaro or a Trump would to some extent also love this lecture, no?

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  7. Ron says:
    August 31, 2019 at 18:51

    It appears that Mr. Carlin may have been right about the earth being able to care of itself:

    https://theconversation.com/new-plastic-munching-bacteria-could-fuel-a-recycling-revolution-55961

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  8. Veracious Poet says:
    August 31, 2019 at 22:03

    Values don’t come out of vacuums. If we assign some important value to nature it’s because, to us, it serves some important function. Nature need not assign its own value.

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    • basenjibrian says:
      September 3, 2019 at 20:08

      The problem, of course, is function for whom….and under what time span? Once a rain forest is pulped and the rock hard soil has eked out a couple of crops of GMO soybeans exported to China…the vampire squid financial engineers have made their bucks…so who cares about “the Earth” or “the environment”. They funded another luxury vacation or a fifth mansion in a gated community somewhere protected (for now) from climate change.

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      • Veracious Poet says:
        September 3, 2019 at 20:49

        I am also concerned about climate change, pollution, GMOs etc but there is death anyway even if there is no pollution etc. The point I’m trying to make is that I think the earth will always support life even if it means “resetting” itself and destroying higher life (us) in the process. All that we have achieved – economic, political etc. from the beginning of existence (from ancient Sumerians, Phoenicians through to Egyptians etc.) means nothing in the cosmic scheme of things. It’s crap to the universe. Again, more people have died from car crashes than from global warming. The universe knows what it’s doing and we can all derive our individual values from that if we are willing to.

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        • basenjibrian says:
          September 5, 2019 at 00:02

          I would not personify things like you are doing. The universe does not have “opinions” about anything. It does not “know” what it is “doing”. I also question the concept of “meaning”. What if there is no ultimate “meaning”? Meaning and opinions and purpose are all human things. It is a big mistake to apply human evolutionary products to the universe. The universe just is. More darkly, the universe is cold and does not (cannot?) care. I don’t see much ability to derive individual values from predatory nature, earthquakes, or the heat death of the universe. Values are, too, a human creation, based on our need as social animals to structure our societies in a successful way.

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          • Veracious Poet says:
            September 5, 2019 at 06:29

            1. Every opinion contains some degree of personification. To personify is to understand.
            2. I agree but it’s a causal agent, with its own laws – it influences/controls us (Refer to the dictionary definition of nature I gave from beginning)
            3. It’s constantly evolving higher forms of life so what do you mean it doesn’t know what it’s doing? Disobey its laws (by not breathing) and see if you would be alive in the next few hours.
            4. It depends on what you mean by “ultimate meaning.”
            5. What do you mean by “human evolutionary products.” Anyway humans and other living things are products of cosmic programming. Humans walk, birds fly, a snake slithers. Naturally, none has any difficulty in doing this because the have been equipped.
            6. We have systems in our body, some of which are automated for very good reasons. The universe, on one side, is trying to keep us alive. How can you say it does not care. What do you mean by “care?.”
            7. I agree, human values are human creation. And the universe disregards that.
            8. Sense making which leads to values, is subjective. One thing might make sense to me but it might not make sense to you and vice versa. That’s perfectly normal but it doesn’t change cosmic programs.
            9. To conclude, I wouldn’t say the universe is purposeless and doesn’t care. I would say it doesn’t pay attention to the needs of individual lives. To those of groups, I think it does.

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      • makagutu says:
        September 4, 2019 at 07:18

        Eventually we are going to die together as fools while corporations make money. The earth will survive, we will not

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  9. basenjibrian says:
    September 6, 2019 at 00:05

    VP:

    You are still assuming/implies consciousness in many of your points. I think that is where we will always disagree. “Agency” implies volition…again, that is our way of thinking about the world talking. Sometimes what is just is. That does not mean “it” is an agent controlling us consciously. The universe as a conscious entity is not “trying” to do anything. That again implies agency. Not everything happens for a reason or because some force is consciously following some conscious plan. Sometimes things just “are”.

    Maka: I think even beyond the court decisions my argument would still apply. Until corporations are completely run by artificial intelligence*, the decisions are still being made by people for human goals and aspirations. Being a legal fiction (despite the court decisions), a corporation does not have desires. The people who set up the legal fiction and the economic system have the desires. They are the “we” even if they act in overarching social and cultural structures that guide and constrain their individual actions. Unless Koch Industries is controlled by an alien or artificial intelligence working to its own artificially defined ends, “it’s” survival will be meaningless if its managers, owners, employees, and customers are all dead or living desperate lives a la Mad Max movies. The blinded ideologues who run these corporations may believe otherwise, but eventually there will be no place to run, no place to extract profit from, no place to run a bizness in.

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    • makagutu says:
      September 6, 2019 at 07:17

      Brian, I agree with you on the matter of corporations. Haven’t you heard Bezos is thinking of colonizing Mars. These rich mofos would create a shit storm here and leave were an opportunity to present itself.

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      • basenjibrian says:
        September 9, 2019 at 23:22

        True that.

        One point of disagreement: Not sure it is only the rich mofos. The plebes do plenty of consuming and killing as well. They just don’t have the resources to do it on such a large scale. A Brazilian peasant may clear only a couple of acres at a time, but if there are ten million peasants, isn’t it still a problem?

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  10. basenjibrian says:
    September 6, 2019 at 00:06

    damn. I repeated the same word several times in that first paragraph. To simplify: The universe is not an agent. it does not have plans, goals, or aspirations for us. It just is, and the rules of its “isness” dictate how we have evolved and how we live our lives, in the context of human cultural development.

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