But being the nice person I am, I will keep you engaged.
James D is telling us in this post that god allows evil and sickness to exist in the world because he gave us freewill and faith. Knowing some of you to be as lazy as your host and might not click on the links, David says
I think that the honest truth is that in order for God to show us his grace, we have to live in an environment that is inherently dangerous to us. Otherwise, what would be the point of faith? Without the bad things in the world, could we truly appreciate the good things?
and isn’t this ridiculous? There are times i have had continental breakfast where my choice is between all good and healthy stuff. Should I take oats instead of weetabix. Should I eat boiled egg or fried omelette, should I eat bread or a croissant? My point is we don’t have to live in a dangerous environment to appreciate being loved.
The author of this second post (I think I should have it first) is doing a very important job, clearing up the definition of freewill. I can’t say I now understand what it is more clearly than I did yesterday. Maybe I am slow.
Diana is trying her best to confuse us. She is telling us events are fated to happen but you still have a choice. You are fated to die but you can escape death. Someone tell me my due date, I want to bribe the angel of death to wait just a little while.
And finally, if you have a lot of time in your hands, a wall (to bang your head against) and popcorn, then read this gem. David Hart writes in one of his comments
[…]My advice to you–and to any believer–is stop presuming you have to defend the idea of hell’s eternity, allow yourself to think about it as if for the first time and with no sense of obligation, and I think you’ll see that the very premise has always already undermined arguments in its favor.
See you around everyone.
Just skimmed the Hart post, and skim means sliding down as fast as I could, and realizing why he has a PhD and I do not. I do like the one you cited, about defending Hell, and WHY?
And what you say about being able to believe in free will and accept the fact that god still pulls the strings. That ain’t free will. That’s us as marionettes, pretending we can do whatever we like as long as we let god tell us what to do.
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Judy, I don’t think you need a PhD to count how many angels can dance on a pin which is what DBH and the others are doing.
God is the grand puppeteer
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Well, being that the “real God” is a psychopathic, evil monster who gets off on causing destruction, suffering and pain, I’d say bad things happen cause God his his rocks off making them happen. Makes perfect sense to me.
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I think it does make perfect sense
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Or Azathoth is just sitting there in the lightless cavern beyond space and time, and evil just results from him randomly flinging poo into the real universe. That hurricane that killed 200,000 Indonesians? Azathoth had just eaten Mexican food that day.
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Or Poseidon was angry and caused the hurricane.
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I think Paul’s letter to the Romans soundly refutes the “free will” argument forwarded by apologists:
“It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.” (Romans 9:16. NIV)
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Someone will still tell you there is room for freewill in that verse. I don’t see it myself
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Calvin is the only logically consistent theologian. (Predestination) Of course, his Yahweh is awful, and Calvin was an awful tyrant, but its all Gawd’s Will, no?
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I think Calvin made peace with his god. He acknowledged his god is awful and he became like her.
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I am amazed at your ongoing fortitude that allows you to visit such creepy blogs!
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Let’s blame Ark. He has taught me this bad habit of delving into the creepy
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I’ve heard this line of argument before… Yawn!
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I apologize for being such a bore 😦
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Maybe I do not feel too brainy today, but this still leaves me wondering what on earth has polio to do with free will. The existance of polio totally negates any benevolent and maximally powerfull entity.
I think the notion of a mercifull god was originally merely wishfull thinking, but it is not just that. It is the very excuse for irresponsibility people show, because they are too lazy, or weak to make the world better. At worst the notion of a mercifull god has also become an excuse for outright fascism, because it is not your job to make the world any better, than the divine engineer has set it to be. Everything will be balanced after death, so why bother now, when it was your destiny to be chosen by your god to become one of the true believers before you were even born.
If we had any knowledge, or even remotely reliable indication that a benevolent creator deity actually exists, “…what would be the point of faith?” Or if there would be no suffering … “what would be the point of faith?” So, what is the point of faith? That the supposedly benevolent creator deity is terribly jealous for worship, by indoctrinated and gullible people?
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You are brilliant even when you are not feeling brainy! If one believes this is the best of all possible worlds, then there is really no reason to do anything to improve it.
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Is Yahweh perhaps really GEORGE CARLIN? (the video you posted earlier?) 🙂
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Who knows? Maybe he is
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